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    Default Jon Stewart rips Mike Huckabee a new one

    When I saw Huckabee strut out on TDS right after his opening comedy bit last night I was disappointed because I wondered why the heck does this guy, who has his own show now need that much air time and why is he on anyway? Well, Stewart set him up for a fall. He let Mikey ramble on in the first segment about his new book "Do the Right Thing," and how if every one treated each other like they want to be treated, then life would be simply marvelous. The Jesus principle. Fair enough, but then Stewart slammed him with those sentiments right over the head.

    Stewart: You write in your book that all people are created equal and yet for gay people you believe that it is corrosive to society to allow them to have the prviledges that all humans enjoy.

    Oppps. When John Cusack complained that Stewart gives neocons and theocrats too much air time to make them appear normal, I agreed. But as long as Stewart takes the argument to them head on then at least he exposes the Huckabees to a debate which always ends badly for them. And one that they rarely ever have to face because network/cable news would never go toe to toe like this.

    When have you ever seen Huckabee at a loss for words? He does in this segment.

    Pam Spaulding writes: Jon Stewart slays the homophobic Huckabeast without breaking a sweat

    This man ran for president and intends to do so again. Journalists, particularly openly progressive ones, have an obligation to bore in on pols like Huckabee because their views are often wrapped up with a wink and a smile and sold as protecting family, children, the word "marriage", etc. as if this is all a benign act that hurts no citizens in this country.

    Stewart made his case easily:

    STEWART: You know, you talk about the pro-life movement [abortion] being one of the great shames of our nation. I think if you want number two, I think it’s that: It’s a travesty that people have forced someone who is gay to have to make their case that they deserve the same basic rights as someone else."

    ..."I'll tell you this: Religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality. And the protections that we have for religion? We protect religion -- and talk about a lifestyle choice -- that is absolutely a choice. Gay people don't choose to be gay. At what age did you choose not to be gay?"

    Huck didn't want to answer those remarks. Instead, it was more of the same "It's all about tradition" argument that is meaningless in the face of human rights. And when he offered up the tired biblical point of marriage, Jon shot back that polygamy was part of the bible. Pam, has the full transcript up here.

    Silent Patriot made the video and adds:

    As the interview went on, Huckabee was more worried about being portrayed as a homophobe than being able to offer up a good explanation as to what he so opposes gay marriage.

    "Just because Mike Huckabee doesn't support the idea of changing the definition of marriage doesn't mean he's a homophobe."
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    God, I love Jon Stewart. He's smart and cute and funny as hell and he takes on anyone who is full of shit.
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    Huck didn't want to answer those remarks. Instead, it was more of the same "It's all about tradition" argument that is meaningless in the face of human rights. And when he offered up the tired biblical point of marriage, Jon shot back that polygamy was part of the bible.
    I was glad he brought that part up about polygamy. People totally forget that when they start talking about how it's always been about one man and one woman.

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    And Huckabee doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that polygamy is definitely a lifestyle choice, while being gay is just what you are and thus should not be punished for it.
    'Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.' Ben Franklin

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    This week's issue of Newsweek has an excellent article on this topic; here's the opening paragraph:

    Let's try for a minute to take the religious conservatives at their word and define marriage as the Bible does. Shall we look to Abraham, the great patriarch, who slept with his servant when he discovered his beloved wife Sarah was infertile? Or to Jacob, who fathered children with four different women (two sisters and their servants)? Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and the kings of Judah and Israel—all these fathers and heroes were polygamists. The New Testament model of marriage is hardly better. Jesus himself was single and preached an indifference to earthly attachments—especially family. The apostle Paul (also single) regarded marriage as an act of last resort for those unable to contain their animal lust. "It is better to marry than to burn with passion," says the apostle, in one of the most lukewarm endorsements of a treasured institution ever uttered. Would any contemporary heterosexual married couple—who likely woke up on their wedding day harboring some optimistic and newfangled ideas about gender equality and romantic love—turn to the Bible as a how-to script?
    Gay Marriage: Our Mutual Joy | Newsweek Culture | Newsweek.com

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    ^^Excellent post. It really does hit home when it's put that way.
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    I hate this ferret faced mother f**ker.

    Nothing says more about the "character" of this guy than when he went ahead and contradicted his previous stance, and wrote a book on the school shooting. He refused to donate any of the money to the victims or charity, instead he kept it and quipped that he needed to pay for his kid's education.

    Douche.

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    ??? Who are you talking about?^^^
    If I can't be a good example, then let me be a horrible warning.

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    i heart Jon Stewart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nana55 View Post
    ??? Who are you talking about?^^^
    Obviously not Stewart:

    Huckabee's Jonesboro book still rankles - Los Angeles Times

    Critics say the Arkansas governor cashed in on the school shooting with the 1998 publication of ‘Kids Who Kill.’
    January 26, 2008
    After two middle-school boys in full camouflage gear shot and killed four of their classmates and a teacher here, leaving 10 others wounded and a community shattered, it seemed inevitable that someone would see opportunity in the tragedy for a book deal.
    Indeed, within days a publisher agreed to pay $25,000 to an Arkansas writer to produce a book on youth violence.
    Victims’ family members were outraged. They called the payment blood money and said the author was cashing in on their pain. They demanded that the money go to the school, the victims’ families or for scholarships for the wounded, not to the writer’s personal bank account. He refused.
    That the author was Mike Huckabee, Arkansas’ governor at the time, made their resentment all the stronger.
    “He took advantage of us,” said Pam Herring, whose daughter, Paige Ann, had just turned 12 when she was shot to death.
    “He was out for one thing and that was money,” said Mitch Wright, whose wife, Shannon, a teacher, died protecting children. “He made money at our expense.”
    The slaughter at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro in March 1998 was at the time one of the worst school incidents in American history. Today, with Huckabee a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, his book deal continues to aggravate many of the victims’ families.
    Some critics of Huckabee say the incident fits his pattern as governor of enriching himself with gifts of cash, clothes and furniture donated by supporters.
    At the time of the shootings, Huckabee was under investigation for numerous ethics violations, many of them for not reporting outside income and gifts. In all, he was fined or sanctioned five times by the Arkansas Ethics Commission.
    Inauguration funds reportedly were used to buy clothes for his wife, Janet, and the couple later set up a “wedding registry” at department stores and collected linens, toasters and other furnishings from supporters. They had been married 25 years.
    Bobby McDaniel, a Jonesboro lawyer who represented some of the families, said Huckabee “never saw a gift he didn’t take.” Newspaper editorial writers labeled him a “money-grubbing governor” and nicknamed him “Mike the Huckster.”
    “It was all quite unseemly,” Vaughn McQuary, chairman of the state Democratic Party at the time, said in a recent interview about the book contract. “The governor of a state should set a better example.”
    Huckabee’s campaign did not respond to requests for an interview. But Huckabee has publicly defended his book deal, saying the $11.99, 180-page paperback was planned before two boys opened fire at Westside, and that the tragedy simply would give him the springboard to air his broader views that youth culture was destroying families.
    “The book is not about Jonesboro,” he insisted.
    But when the book was rushed to print a month after the shootings, it was titled “Kids Who Kill.” The cover is a photo of a boy about the age of the Jonesboro killers pointing a gun at the reader. The back cover promo states, “The quest for quick answers has robbed us of the truth” about Jonesboro. “Until now.”
    The opening pages begin, “Just after lunch on March 24, 1998, a sudden burst of gunfire cut through the crowded schoolyard of Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Arkansas… . ”
    Much of the rest of the book is a compilation of quotes from theologians and historical figures, and includes transcripts of two radio addresses Huckabee gave after the shooting spree. Huckabee has written or co-written several books, all dealing with motivational subjects such as character and dieting, but none have been as controversial as “Kids Who Kill.”
    Dennis Milligan, the current chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, who has endorsed Huckabee for the presidency, defended the governor’s book deal. “He’s entitled to whatever the specific profits were from that book. And as to why he didn’t donate the proceeds, obviously it was something he wasn’t moved to do and didn’t feel like he had any obligation to contribute, with respect to his personal funds.”
    Milligan also defended Huckabee’s receiving gifts as governor, saying many of them were just tokens of appreciation and that none of them helped buy any special influence. Milligan mentioned, for instance, a pair of cowboy boots and a canoe, and said Huckabee always was careful to return any expensive gifts that exceeded the allowable limits.
    “He is an honorable guy,” Milligan said.
    On the afternoon of the shootings, Huckabee was flying home to Little Rock from a speech in Washington. An air traffic controller radioed the pilot, who told the governor. Two boys, Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, dressed in Army-style camouflage and armed with guns, pulled the school fire alarm after the lunch hour and fired at classmates and teachers as they filed outside.
    Reaching the state Capitol, Huckabee called a press conference and immediately blasted the youth culture. “It makes me angry,” he said, complaining, “it’s in the television programs they watch, the movies they see, the language they use, the things they are exposed to and the glorification of those things.”
    The next day, he and his wife met in Jonesboro for about 40 minutes with many of the victims’ families. They wore white ribbons on their lapels. He spent more than an hour with teachers and staff, warning they might never recover emotionally. Huckabee, a Baptist minister, also went to the hospital and helped families begin to work through their grief.
    “I remember him and his wife coming down the hall,” said David Betts, whose niece, Ashley, was among the 10 wounded. “They were the most compassionate people I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t just a walk-in visit. He stayed with us. He supported us and prayed with us.”
    But Huckabee was not among the 9,000 people who attended a memorial service a week later at the Arkansas State University Convention Center in Jonesboro. Aides said he was on a planned family vacation in the Caribbean. He did send a letter, quoting the Bible that man is saved by God and not the laws he enacts.
    Herring and Wright were concerned that there were no laws preventing the shooters from profiting financially, since they were juveniles and would be released from prison when they turned 21. They said they told Huckabee they wanted assurances the killers could not write books or sell their stories to Hollywood, and that Huckabee looked them both in the eyes and said, “That would be blood money.”
    At a second meeting in Jonesboro, Wright said Huckabee again vowed it would be “blood money” for the shooters, with Huckabee adding this time: “No one should profit.”
    Then, ten days after the shooting, it was announced that Huckabee had signed his own book deal, to be written with George Grant of Tennessee, a prolific author of Christian books. The publisher was an arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, the denomination in which Huckabee was ordained.
    Officials at the publishing house declined to discuss the arrangements for the book, saying they comment only on current authors. Grant did not respond to requests for an interview.
    Huckabee has insisted the idea came to him before the shootings. Asked by a newspaper reporter at the time if he was trying to turn a dollar by capitalizing on the Jonesboro deaths, Huckabee angrily responded: “No more than you’re capitalizing on it when you write stories about Jonesboro and sell ads and sell the paper.”
    Dogged about why he refused to donate any of the book proceeds to the scholarship fund, Huckabee said he planned to use the money for his own children’s college education. Later Huckabee stayed in his private office in the Capitol in an attempt to evade further questions. Then he rushed to his state car and slammed the door on reporters.
    McDaniel, the Jonesboro lawyer, said such incidents didn’t seem to hurt Huckabee. He noted that Huckabee has a knack for impressing voters and winning elections, “even if he does have a very short fuse and a temper.”
    Indeed, not only was he reelected in 1998, he even carried Jonesboro, a state college town on the northern edge of the Mississippi Delta. To many in Arkansas, that feat speaks to his twin gifts as a natural politician and an inspiring religious leader.
    McQuary, the former state Democratic chairman, said Huckabee is very charismatic and could uplift people in a state that has struggled with poverty. “Surprisingly, he was quite popular, especially in such a Democratic majority state,” McQuary said. “Do not underestimate him on the campaign trail.”

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    ^What an ass. I had no idea he wrote a book about that tragedy. Thanks for posting.

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    ..."I'll tell you this: Religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality. And the protections that we have for religion? We protect religion -- and talk about a lifestyle choice -- that is absolutely a choice. Gay people don't choose to be gay. At what age did you choose not to be gay?"
    I watched this when it aired and cheered when he said this. Huckabee is an idiot.

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    He lost me when he started equating procreation with marriage. Marriage is about legal ownership of offspring, it's not necessary for the production of them.

    Plus it also kills me that hets do everything gays do, and then cop this crap about 'anatomically correct' sex. Well then, no more buttsecks for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymeman View Post
    He lost me when he started equating procreation with marriage.
    Last I recall, this was the Catholic Church's rationale behind marriage. God forbid you not have children!

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