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    Oh geeze the man hasn't even taken office yet...


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    Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

    Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

    Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

    “He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

    OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: “Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?”

    Even supporters make clear they’re on the lookout for backsliding. “There’s a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him,” said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for America’s Future.
    Obama insists he hasn’t abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the left’s bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

    Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he won’t enact the tax.

    Obama’s pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now he’s struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling he’ll merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

    Obama’s post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed. As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.

    Now Obama’s says that on his first day in office he will begin to “design a plan for a responsible drawdown,” as he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.

    The central premise of the left’s criticism is direct – don’t bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

    “There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet,” writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. “What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?”

    “Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn't seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives,” Aravosis continues. “Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we're not seeing a similar ‘we can do it alone’ approach in the transition team.”

    This isn’t the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.


    Now it’s Obama’s Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It’s not just that he’s picked Clinton and Gates. It’s that liberal Democrats say they’re hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama’s team so far – particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.

    “At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you don’t think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause,” said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. “The president-elect wouldn't be president-elect without labor."

    During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The “card check” bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say – but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.
    “It's complicated,” said Tasini, who challenged Clinton for Senate in 2006. “On the one hand, the guy hasn't even taken office yet so it's a little hasty to be criticizing him. On the other hand, there is legitimate cause for concern. I think people are still waiting but there is some edginess about this.”

    That’s a view that seems to have kept some progressive leaders holding their fire. There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it’s just too soon to criticize Obama -- and if there’s really anything to complain about just yet.

    Case in point: One of the Campaign for America’s Future blogs commented on Obama’s decision not to tax oil companies’ windfall profits saying, “Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes - even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations - is bad for the economy.”

    Yet Campaign for America’s Future will be join about 150 progressive organizations, economists and labor groups to release a statement Tuesday in support of a large economic stimulus package like the one Obama has proposed, said Hickey, a co-founder of the group.

    “I’ve heard the most grousing about the windfall profits tax, but on the other hand, Obama has committed himself to a stimulus package that makes a down payment on energy efficiency and green jobs,” Hickey said. “The old argument was, here’s how we afford to make these investments – we tax the oil companies’ windfall profits. … The new argument is, in a bad economy that could get worse, we don’t.”

    Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.

    Aides say he backed off the windfall profits tax because oil prices have
    dropped below $80 a barrel. Obama also defended hedging on the Bush tax cuts.

    “My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they're not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans?” Obama said on “Meet the Press.” “We don't yet know what the best approach is going to be.”

    On Iraq, he says he’s just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn’t ignite “any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.”

    Obama has told his supporters to look beyond his appointments, that the change he promised will come from him and that when his administration comes together they will be happy.

    “I think that when you ultimately look at what this advisory board looks like, you'll say this is a cross-section of opinion that in some ways reinforces conventional wisdom, in some ways breaks with orthodoxy in all sorts of way,” Obama recently said in response to questions about his appointments during a news conference on the economy.

    The leaders of some liberal groups are willing to wait and see.

    “He hasn’t had a first day in office,” said John Isaacs, the executive director for Council for Livable World. “To me it’s not as important as who’s there, than what kind of policies they carry out.”

    “These aren’t out-and-out liberals on the national security team, but they may be successful implementers of what the Obama national security policy is,” Isaacs added. “We want to see what policies are carried forward, as opposed to appointments.”

    Juan Cole, who runs a prominent anti-war blog called Informed Comment, said he worries Obama will get bad advice from Clinton on the Middle East, calling her too pro-Israel and “belligerent” toward Iran. “But overall, my estimation is that he has chosen competence over ideology, and I'm willing to cut him some slack,” Cole said.

    Other voices of the left don’t like what they’re seeing so far and aren’t waiting for more before they speak up.

    New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama’s economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy’s “best and the brightest” team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees.

    David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday’s Washington Post that he is “not yet reaching for a pitchfork.”

    But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama’s Cabinet appointments so far: “This Wasn’t Quite the Change We Envisioned.”

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    Meh, progressives always get thrown under the bus. He wouldn't have won without liberals, but once in office (like every other Dem) he ignores them.
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    He's not even in office yet so can't actuallly do anything to make change. He also needs to make sure that the economy doesn't tank more than it already has. People really have no patience whatsoever.
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    He doesn't have a magic wand-there are going to be surprise limits you don't even know before taking office. Give the man a chance!!
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    Exactly. He can't just go in and say 'right, here's what I'm going to do'. Unlike Bush I think he'll work with Congress and even those on staff who don't agree with him. And he's made it clear right from the beginning that he will make mistakes.
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    I expect the world to be rainbows and unicorns on January 21st! Everyone will have money, terrorists will love us and the environment will become pristine.


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    That's right, instead of cackling to ourselves in glee about the beat-down we just served the republicans we are twittering nervously about what a turn-coat this Obama feller is turning out to be. Sigh...

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    From what I've been reading, Obama is getting a lot of bad press from the progressives. They don't care particularly about celebrating the victory over Republicans in the first place. They are all about tilting the Government back in the other direction.

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    He appealed to them, so he better deliver. THey're the ones who got him elected. It's a bit like the evangelicals with the Republicans.. except progressives aren't totally batshit nutso.
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    Good gawd. He isn't the president yet. At least let him be sworn in and given the power of the presidency before claiming he hasn't made changes.

    Taxing the oil industry windfalls was a good idea when the price of oil was through the roof and it was quite apparent the companies had padded the cost to consumers. How did anyone know just how far the price per barrel would drop in such a short time? Gas has dropped three dollars per gallon here in just about two months.

    As for Iraq, the idea of a quickness in a pullout is relative. It is going to take time to get everyone out of there and if done too quickly and without proper recon, who knows what the real terrorists, the ones Bush couldn't seem to find in five freaking years, could do.

    What is the problem with letting the tax cuts expire in 2010? Strategically, I see it as a good move. When those cuts vanish from the upper middle class, he can't be blamed one bit. One year and a, the tax cuts are gone and b, the conservatives and upper middle class can't blame the liberals or the dem president.

    No one side is going to be fully appeased regardless of who is elected. More people are middle of the road than extreme left or right.

    Once he is in, I would hope his first priority would be the time consuming task of cleaning up the mess left by the Bush Administration. He can't redecorate before throwing out the trash and making repairs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    He appealed to them, so he better deliver. THey're the ones who got him elected. It's a bit like the evangelicals with the Republicans.. except progressives aren't totally batshit nutso.


    Not totally, but the really far left ones are plenty close enough and just as dangerous as the right wing ones.

    Actually he's a smart man. Most of the country is simply not that far left and I do not agree, as an American who lives here, that the liberals are what put him in office anymore than the 'black vote' put him there. Yes, blacks turned out in huge numbers and so did many leftists. However, it was the independents and moderate Republicans who swithced teams that really helped him the most. Also, people were so sick of Bush that this was an ideal time for a Democrat to come along and take over. We have a history of going back and forth like that.

    Anyway, he is smart to be centrist and have broader appeal to people on both sides rather than getting the stamp of approval from extremists on either side. This country needs unification and balance and he needs to try to represent everyone, not just those who voted for him. Who knows. Maybe 4 years from now we will have a lot more Republicans voting Democrat because they like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    Good gawd. He isn't the president yet. At least let him be sworn in and given the power of the presidency before claiming he hasn't made changes.

    Taxing the oil industry windfalls was a good idea when the price of oil was through the roof and it was quite apparent the companies had padded the cost to consumers. How did anyone know just how far the price per barrel would drop in such a short time? Gas has dropped three dollars per gallon here in just about two months.

    As for Iraq, the idea of a quickness in a pullout is relative. It is going to take time to get everyone out of there and if done too quickly and without proper recon, who knows what the real terrorists, the ones Bush couldn't seem to find in five freaking years, could do.

    What is the problem with letting the tax cuts expire in 2010? Strategically, I see it as a good move. When those cuts vanish from the upper middle class, he can't be blamed one bit. One year and a, the tax cuts are gone and b, the conservatives and upper middle class can't blame the liberals or the dem president.

    No one side is going to be fully appeased regardless of who is elected. More people are middle of the road than extreme left or right.

    Once he is in, I would hope his first priority would be the time consuming task of cleaning up the mess left by the Bush Administration. He can't redecorate before throwing out the trash and making repairs.
    Revellinginsane,

    The heartburn they are expressing right now is over Obama's appointments, more than anything. The articles I have been reading seem to indicate the unhappy progressives are kind of idealistic/idealogues. Their list of alternative/recommended candidates reads like a "Who's Who" of people with no experience or pure academicians. From what I infer, they seem to think that everyone who has held a government post is "dirty" or implicated in some genocide or oppression during a previous administration.

    It was pretty illuminating to me to see their drubbing of Richard Holbrooke, who I thought played a principal role (on the U.S. side) in helping end the Serb atrocities in the Balkans. To them, he is one of the worst, because he is somehow involved in (turned a blind eye to) the genocide in East Timor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Revellinginsane,

    The heartburn they are expressing right now is over Obama's appointments, more than anything. The articles I have been reading seem to indicate the unhappy progressives are kind of idealistic/idealogues. Their list of alternative/recommended candidates reads like a "Who's Who" of people with no experience or pure academicians. From what I infer, they seem to think that everyone who has held a government post is "dirty" or implicated in some genocide or oppression during a previous administration.

    It was pretty illuminating to me to see their drubbing of Richard Holbrooke, who I thought played a principal role (on the U.S. side) in helping end the Serb atrocities in the Balkans. To them, he is one of the worst, because he is somehow involved in (turned a blind eye to) the genocide in East Timor.
    The progressives were bound to have their feathers ruffled. Those lists of alternative appointees are comprised of totally unqualified individuals.

    Imho, any appointee who is not seen as extremely liberal will be unacceptable and I agree, any cabinet member who has so much as had lunch with a member of a prior administration will be seen as a co-conspirator in some atrocity. An extreme member of either side is a dangerous choice.



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    I've lived with these fruit loops and am probably one myself to a degree, but the majority are open to giving him time and see what happens. Most of the people I've spoken to so far find his cabinet interesting to say the least and concur with the choices. The hardline "never be happy with anyone" people well that about sums it up - same as on the far right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WesCAdle View Post
    I've lived with these fruit loops and am probably one myself to a degree, but the majority are open to giving him time and see what happens. Most of the people I've spoken to so far find his cabinet interesting to say the least and concur with the choices. The hardline "never be happy with anyone" people well that about sums it up - same as on the far right.
    True. As far as I'm concerned, if people on the extremes of both sides are unhappy he is already doing something right.
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