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    Exclamation Salvation Army lobbies for religious discrimination

    It’s almost time for those red kettles to go up in front of grocery stores across America, and all across America, people get all rosy cheeked just thinking about doing good… forgetting about all the organizations that do as much good without making such a big show about it… without thinking about where the money that goes into the red kettle really goes to.

    Among other things, the money people give to the Salvation Army goes to pay the salaries of lobbyists in Washington D.C. What, oh what, do those Salvation Army lobbyists lobby for? The Salvation Army lobbies in favor of the political agenda of the Religious Right.

    There’s the time, for example, when the Salvation Army leaders met behind closed doors with the Bush White House to come up with a strategy for passing a law that would allow government-funded groups to fire people for refusing to join the religions of their bosses. Convert and praise Jesus or lose your job, the Salvation Army law said. That was a practice that the Salvation Army was already engaging in, giving religious tests to employees and telling them to take a hike if the responses were not theologically correct, taking government money all the while. The Salvation Army spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of red kettle money on that political project alone.

    What else does your red kettle donation pay for? Political organizing against same-sex marriage, for one thing. The Salvation Army uses its organization to promote opposition to equal marriage rights for same sex-sex couples. The web site of the Salvation Army states, “The Salvation Army believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of life. There is no scriptural support for same-sex unions as equal to, or as an alternative to, heterosexual marriage.” Catch that other part too - the only good homosexual is a homosexual who decides not to have sex for the rest of his or her life.

    There’s also the Salvation Army’s history of rescinding benefits to same-sex domestic partners. Said the Human Rights Campaign, “We’re talking about health care, about providing health benefits, and what the Salvation Army has decided to do is prevent certain families from getting health care, and that’s just mean.” Salvation Army supporters responded to Portland’s request that it adhere to the city’s ordinance requiring organizations receiving money from the city government to provide benefits to same-sex domestic partners by sending hate mail with messages such as “You are a sick person who doesn’t deserve to be mayor.” Compassion?

    Still want to put that money in the red kettle?

    Consider the Salvation Army’s decision to put its religion ahead of the needs of homeless people in Wisconsin. When the Janesville City Council asked the Salvation Army to stop trying to convert people to evangelical Christianity with government money provided through the city government, the Salvation Army said no. The Salvation Army decided that it was more important to keep trying to convert people to Christianity than to help people in need, so it decided to stop work on a homeless shelter until the local government relented and allowed proselytization with government funds. A spokesman said that stopping its religious activities as part of government-funded programs that it administrates would stop the Salvation Army from fulfilling its mission “to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ”. The Salvation Army would let the homeless freeze outside in the Wisconsin winter weather rather than just stop telling people to worship Jesus.

    Yes, government funds. The Salvation Army gets a huge amount of praise for helping people in need, but the truth is that a huge amount of the money that the Salvation Army spends comes directly from federal, state, and local government. We, the taxpayers of America, make the sacrifice, but the Salvation Army gets the credit with none of the oversight and accountability that ordinarily goes along with government programs. In 2005, for example, 95 percent of the Salvation Army’s budget for children services came from the federal government, and was used, among other things, to conduct an anti-gay witch hunt in which employees were told to look for signs of homosexual activity in their colleagues, and to expose those colleagues so that they could be fired.

    The plain fact is that the Salvation Army would only conduct a tiny fraction of its charitable works if it did not receive billions of dollars of government money. Much of the red kettle money goes toward building and maintaining Salvation Army churches, like the ones Wrangell, Alaska; Griffin, Georgia; Thomasville, North Carolina; Gilroy, California; Kalispell, Montana; Fort Lauderdale, Florida and countless other places across the USA. When you throw your money into the red kettle, are you thinking about helping people in need or about maintaining the temple in Rochester, New York?

    I’m not denying that the Salvation Army does some good things with its own resources, but most of the good work it does is with government resources that could just as easily go to other programs that don’t discriminate, don’t lobby the government, and don’t mix religion with social services. Let the Salvation Army support itself, and rely purely on private donations. If the Salvation Army wants to keep preaching a right wing agenda, then it’s long past time that it get off the government dole.



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    This makes me sick. They will never get another dime from me. I've copied this and sent it to everyone in my contact list. This shit has to stop.

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    I don't just refuse to give money to those bell ringers, I actually stop and explain why I won't give money. I have been doing this for years and the looks on their faces is priceless.

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    I always give them money.. No damn more!
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    I'm so glad you posted this Grimm, I had no idea. Although I will be donating my time to packing and handing out food boxes at the Salvation Army, they WILL NOT be receiving my monetary donations.
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    The Salvation Army near me has been known for selling donated items (clothes, toys, furniture, etc) to 2nd hand stores at a profit and keeping the money.
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    I stopped donating to them a few years ago when I found out about this. It frustrates me that more people don't know about this.

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    Oh no. I had a very good experience with salvation army. My maid (I know I know) had terrible problems with her husband, I did not know where to go. Salvation army offered real sollutions and counselling and she (the maid) is not a christian. They were great. REALLY

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    Well the organization as a whole are a bunch of bigots, maybe she lucked out and got a well meaning member.

    I bet most of their members have no idea where the money goes anyway, most especially those people ringing the bells. They probably think they're doing a good thing.
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    I will be doing some more research into this. I have given to them for years. If this all proves out they will not get another penny from me.

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    Do let us know what you find
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSDiva View Post
    I always give them money.. No damn more!
    I haven't done anything for them since I did several closings for big timers with their company.
    Three of them bought 2nd homes, worth over 1 million each.
    **Of course, it was their money and they can do what they want with it, but don't beg for mine.

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    Damn. I can't access the site. I wanted to see what those "bills" to drop in buckets in place of actual money looked like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8_uncut-jock View Post
    I don't just refuse to give money to those bell ringers, I actually stop and explain why I won't give money. I have been doing this for years and the looks on their faces is priceless.
    me, too. it's also the reason i never shop at salvation army thrift stores, even though i love second-hand shopping.
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    I don't know why the shock. I'm surprised that so many people don't know.

    The are called the Salvation Army. Salvation, as in souls. Army, as in soldiers of Christ. They are and have always been a powerful religious organization. The goal has always been converts.

    There were stories about the exemption they got on not hiring gays back in 2001. Rove was all over the deal, it was pretty big news.

    And doesn't anyone read George Bernard Shaw anymore? Major Barbara?
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