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    Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," on Tuesday twice agreed with a claim from an audience member at a John McCain rally that "a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."

    Wurzelbacher was hitting the campaign trail on behalf of McCain for the first time, joining former Rep. Rob Portman on a GOP bus tour through Ohio.

    At a stop in Columbus, he fielded the question on Israel from a self-identified Jewish senior citizen.

    The questioner said he was "concerned" with Barack Obama's associations and "It's my belief that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."

    Wurzelbacher responded: "I do know that."

    The questioner then complained about Obama's tax policies and reiterated his Israel comment.

    "Well, you know what, I'll actually go ahead and agree with you on that one," Wurzelbacher said. "You know ... no, I agree with ya.'"

    Wurzelbacher's first trip to the podium as a McCain surrogate was freewheeling. He often apologized to reporters gathered in a flag store for talking from his gut.

    "I'm honestly scared for America," Wurzelbacher said.

    He later said Obama would end the democracy that the U.S. military had defended during wars.

    "I love America. I hope it remains a democracy, not a socialist society. ... If you look at spreading the wealth, that's honestly right out of Karl Marx's mouth," Wurzelbacher said.
    "No one can debate that. That's not my opinion. That's fact."

    Though "Joe the Plumber" has become a centerpiece of McCain's campaign in the closing days of the presidential race, McCain aides told FOX News the Republican nominee does not share Wurzelbacher's opinion on Obama's view toward Israel.

    Obama states on his Web site that he strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship, as well as Israel's right to defend itself and foreign assistance to the country.

    McCain, though, has suggested Obama's commitment to Israel is not as deep as it should be.

    A McCain TV ad out Tuesday ridicules Obama for saying Iran, whose president is openly hostile toward Israel, is a "tiny" country that "doesn't pose a serious threat."

    The narrator says: "Terrorism, destroying Israel, those aren't serious threats? Obama -- dangerously unprepared to be president."http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/joe-plumber-backs-claim-obama-bring-death-israel/

    Now who wants to bet that Joe the Fake Plumber:

    a)has never given a seconds thought to Israel.
    b)doesn't give a flying fuck about Israel
    c)is secretly wondering if the McCain camp is setting him up because we all know the Jews are behind the international money conspiracy.
    d)all of the above.
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    Does he know where Israel is- bet he doesnt lol

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    let him find israel on a map.

    This is turning into a 3 ring circus.
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    You know, I always hear the same talking points espoused over and over again: God gave his people the land of Israel and we have to protect it, yada yada yada. What about the separation of church and state? Why are our hands always so deep in Israel's pockets and vice versa? Why can't we disengage ourselves and let Israel fight its own battles? Because of a biblical passage! And what people don't even understand is that the land given to the Israelites by God was not modern day Israel (should we "give back" Syria and Jordan as well, because they were originally in the territory that God gave to the Jews in the Bible?), and the vast population of Israel now are not descendants of the "chosen people." These Zionists are part of the reason why we are in the terrible state we are in. And then we wonder why the rest of the world curses our policies, its because we are using GOD and THE BIBLE to do bad things, but its somehow justified. Isn't that a holy war, or am I wrong? I'm sorry, but this just pisses me off, and its something no one ever pays attention to. The ONLY reason we carry on our relationship with Israel and refuse in any capacity to spank them when they do wrong, is because of a biblical passage. No one wants to criticize this for fear of being labeled an anti-semite, which distracts from the REAL issue; its not about hating any particular religion/race, its about being partial to one because of a biblical passage, to the detriment of everyone else. Its mind-blowing in this day and age. And this is coming from a Christian, by the way. The hypocrisy is amazing.
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    They should investigate this Joe the plumber(whose name isn't Joe),I just bet he is a paid republican operative. In my opinion he is being paid by the McCain sleaze campaign team.

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    they already have investigated him
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    You know, I always hear the same talking points espoused over and over again: God gave his people the land of Israel and we have to protect it, yada yada yada. What about the separation of church and state? Why are our hands always so deep in Israel's pockets and vice versa? Why can't we disengage ourselves and let Israel fight its own battles? Because of a biblical passage! And what people don't even understand is that the land given to the Israelites by God was not modern day Israel (should we "give back" Syria and Jordan as well, because they were originally in the territory that God gave to the Jews in the Bible?), and the vast population of Israel now are not descendants of the "chosen people." These Zionists are part of the reason why we are in the terrible state we are in. And then we wonder why the rest of the world curses our policies, its because we are using GOD and THE BIBLE to do bad things, but its somehow justified. Isn't that a holy war, or am I wrong? I'm sorry, but this just pisses me off, and its something no one ever pays attention to. The ONLY reason we carry on our relationship with Israel and refuse in any capacity to spank them when they do wrong, is because of a biblical passage. No one wants to criticize this for fear of being labeled an anti-semite, which distracts from the REAL issue; its not about hating any particular religion/race, its about being partial to one because of a biblical passage, to the detriment of everyone else. Its mind-blowing in this day and age. And this is coming from a Christian, by the way. The hypocrisy is amazing.
    January I totally agree with that and the fact is that region is going to get into more deep shit when the water wars plays out. Israel's attack last year in Lebenon was more about the water than Hezbollah.

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    Whoever gave this guy a voice needs to be punched!

    Like I really care what Joe the Plumber (who's not really a Joe, or a plumber and has committed tax fraud) thinks!



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    Well, Sam the non-plumber will be on the Repug payroll for another 8 days.
    I think he will come with some insight on the world's problems regularly
    until election day.
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    The only real kudos I can give to the Bush administration are:

    1. Banning natural forms of ephedra.
    2. Israel has been quiet for years. I mean seriously, who really wants to return to the days when every newscast was topped by what atrocities were going on in the Gaza Strip and how many people were killed?
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    Possible pick for McCain's secretary of state?

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    January I totally agree with that and the fact is that region is going to get into more deep shit when the water wars plays out. Israel's attack last year in Lebenon was more about the water than Hezbollah.

    The water wars have been going on for years. Palestinians are forced to use smaller water tanks for their homes than their neighboring Jewish settlers. The settlers have been known to shoot holes into the water tanks. Here's an interesting article--and I should mention that the Middle East hasn't been quiet, it's just hasn't been the focus of the news. The Gaza Strip is a disaster and Israel is still building the wall well into Palestinian territory and cutting people off from their livelihoods. Neither side is really on the side of good and right but the Israeli's hold the power in this struggle and are not adverse to abusing it.

    JERUSALEM, March 30, 2002 (ENS) - The Israelis and the Palestinians each blame the other for the violence that is consuming the region with renewed ferocity. Each side sees itself as the victim. The convoluted conflict which has its origin in Biblical times is created in part by the arid nature of the disputed lands.

    Dwindling water resources increasingly affected by pollution, agricultural and industrial use and population growth, have elevated the strategic importance of water in the region. The water issue is at the root of the struggle over territory.

    Israel is made up of five million Jews and one million Palestinians. The West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are inhabited by 2.5 million Palestinians.

    The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) complains that Israel controls the sources of water and one third of West Bank inhabitants have only intermittent water supplies. Israel has complete control over water resources in the West Bank and uses 82 percent of the underground water, the PNA says.

    Palestinians in the West Bank are charged three times as much per unit of water as Israeli settlers.

    The West Bank town of Hebron where 400 Jewish settlers live in a zone, shown here, guarded by 2,500 Israeli military in the city of 119,000 Palestinians. (Photo courtesy Strategic Pastoral Action Network)
    The Israeli newspaper, "Ha'aretz," reported that more than half a million of the Palestinian inhabitants in the West Bank have not consistently received water for more than two months.

    The yearly Israeli consumption of water is 12 million cubic meters. The Palestinian National Authority says "this 12 million cubic meters is the percentage of deficiency that cities in Gaza lack."

    The Palestinian daily consumption of water is 35 to 50 liters per capita, while the daily consumption of the Jewish settlers is 280 to 350 liters per capita.

    Both sides rely for water on the West Bank Mountain Aquifer, which straddles the demarcating border of the disputed West Bank territory. It currently provides a third of Israel’s water supply and 80 percent of Palestinian consumption.

    Despite being the most important source of long term water for Israel, use of the Aquifer has not been implemented to the fullest extent possible. "Israeli officials, while cognizant of the growing water crisis, fear Israeli dependency on potentially Palestinian controlled water sources," said Ilan Berman and Paul Michael Wihbey of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, a Jerusalem based think tank.

    Due to the shortage of water in the Israeli-Palestinian common resources, the local authorities, the municipality, and the Palestinian Water Authority have been obliged to periodically transfer massive water pipes from certain areas in order to supply others.

    Tahir Nasir Eldin, director general of the Palestinian Water Authority in the West Bank, told the "Ha'aretz," newspaper that in the summer months Macarot Israeli Water Company reduces the supply of water to the Palestinian areas and the settlements.

    For instance, the 300,000 inhabitants who live in Hebron need 25,000 cubic meters of water daily. However, Macarot supplies this area with 5,500 cubic meters only.

    The 180,000 inhabitants of Bethlehem need 18,000 cubic meters of water daily during the summer, but they get only 8,000 cubic meters.

    Bethlehem residents must buy water from the citizens who are connected to the Israeli lines. These citizens fill their tanks in the few days when they have water, and conserve it for the days when they will not have any water.

    The 1993 Oslo Accord requires the Israeli government to continue its control over the Palestinian water resources, and that they decide the amount of water that can be used.

    According to the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority can supply water tanks separate from the ones they currently share with the settlements. However, the PNA says, "the Americans are funding most of the expense of these water tanks, and as a result have delayed this project for many long years."

    On July 23, 2001, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) West Bank & Gaza Mission transferred legal title for water infrastructure in the West Bank valued at $75 million to the Palestinian Water Authority. USAID's West Bank Water Resources Program, which began in June 1996, has enhanced the availability and quality of water for more than 300,000 Palestinians.

    Phase I of the program financed four major production wells and a water transmission system in the Bethlehem-Hebron area, as well as a water transmission system for 11 villages in Jenin. These structures, all of which had been in operation for more than a year, were the subject of the legal transfer.

    Still, the PNA says, Jenin residents do not have the water they need, and were grateful to accept 150,000 liters of water given to them by Jewish peace activists.

    Nasir Eldin asserts that the Jewish settlements obtain their full water needs from the common Israeli-Palestinian water lines.

    But an Israeli expert who prefers not to be named said that the reduced supply of water to the Palestinian areas takes place when most or all of the water pipes that lead to them are closed.

    On the contrary, another expert in the Israeli Water Authority said that they don't close the water pipes, and that the shortage of water which the Palestinians face results from high consumption.

    He claimed, "We are responsible for the drinking water supply and the current amount of water is enough. We have no intention of reducing the water which the Palestinians get in order to transfer it to the settlements."

    Environmental experts say Israel has only itself to blame if its taps run dry. All three of Israel's main water sources — the Sea of Galilee, a coastal aquifer and the West Bank Mountain Aquifer shared with the Palestinians — are dangerously depleted.

    Israeli water experts fear that those three sources have gotten to the red lines past which there is a danger they will be irremediably contaminated by salt deposits.

    An Israeli Water Commission spokesperson said Israel itself suffers from a water shortage because of low rainfall. “Israel and the Palestinians both have a problem of water,” she told the "Jordan Times" December 7, 2000. "As for consumption," she said. “It's a way of life. If you take the numbers, it's true they are not using the same amount. “But it's not that they are asking and we are not giving.”

    The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said 215,000 Palestinians in more than 150 villages are not connected to running water, and that Israel has discriminatory allocation. “At a time when the Israeli public debates whether to water the lawn or wash their car, Palestinians suffer from a shortage of water to meet their most basic needs,” B'Tselem said in a statement.

    Nasir Eldin said that the reasons for the fatal water crisis which the Palestinians are enduring are overpopulation, the high standard of living of the settlements, the illegal waste of water for agricultural use, and Israeli negligence in maintaining the water tanks in the West Bank for more than 40 years, which has led to the loss of 11 percent of the total amount of water.

    Even the Multilateral Water Resources Group, created in 1992 as part of the peace process negotiations, has failed to get the parties to move toward agreement on water sharing.

    The Oslo Accord allows the Palestinians to dig a number of wells. However, not all of them are working. Nasir Eldin says, "What is left for the Palestinians is an observant conservation of the drinking water, and proper organization for the distribution of water. I don't have any good news for the Palestinian people, and we don't expect to have a solution for the current situations this summer."

    “We are in a very bad situation,” then Palestinian Water Authority Chairman Nabil Sharif told a water conference in September 2000. “Unless the United States will do everything possible to convince the Israelis, at the end there will be no real peace if there is no water. If there will be no water, I don't think any agreement of peace will live more than two or three years.” Water Is the Root of Israeli-Palestinian Evil
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    I wonder if Joe can see Israel from his back porch?

    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    The only real kudos I can give to the Bush administration are:

    1. Banning natural forms of ephedra.
    2. Israel has been quiet for years. I mean seriously, who really wants to return to the days when every newscast was topped by what atrocities were going on in the Gaza Strip and how many people were killed?
    The only kudo I give to Bush is that after he got 'elected' in 2000, he made the former governor of N.J. Christie Whitman the Head of the EPA, and got her the hell out of this state. But, then again, the fact that Bush made the governor of one of the most polluted states in the U.S. head of the Environmental Protection Agency should've been a sign that he was stupid.

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    Oh lawd, Christine Todd Whitman was AWFUL as the head of the EPA. I was working in environmental law then and we were suing her constantly. She never enforced any environmental laws while she was in office and then she resigned ahead of a scandal.
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    You should've seen how she screwed up the DMV when she was governor.

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