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    Prop 8 a Toss-Up

    A 'yes' vote on California Proposition 8 would amend the state's constitution to prohibit gay marriage. A 'no' vote would maintain the constitution, which the California Supreme Court ruled in May provides equal protection for gay marriage.

    SurveyUSA and PPIC have new numbers out on the issue, with SurveyUSA having the gay marriage ban leading by 3 points, and PPIC having it trailing by 8 points. Field should have a poll out on the issue sometime next week.


    Both the PPIC and SurveyUSA polls have Barack Obama leading by large (20+ point) margins, so I'm not sure that opponents of the measure can count on some sort of turnout surge above and beyond what is already reflected in the polls. There are evidently fair numbers of Obama/'Yes on 8' tickets, especially among the state's black and Latino populations.

    Ballot measures are notoriously hard to poll, so we really have no idea where this thing is at, although it seems fair to say that it's chances of passing -- after a heavy advertising campaign by the Yes on 8 people -- are better than they were a couple of months ago.

    There are also a couple of X-factors to keep in mind:

    On the one hand, there have been suggestions that there is something of 'Bradley Effect' on polling on gay marriage bans, and that such measures tend to overperform their polls, although a more recent analysis refutes this suggestion.

    On the other hand, because ballot measures are confusing, it is usually better to be on the 'No' side of them ... people tend to vote 'no' on things that they don't understand. In this case, that gives an advantage to the marriage equality folks. (It may even be the case that some voters vote 'no', thinking that they're voting no to gay marriage, when in fact the wording of the resolution is such that a 'no' vote protects gay marriage).

    I'd peg the 'no' side as about a 55/45 favorite, but not more than that.

    -- Nate Silver at 9:40 AM

    FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right: Prop 8 a Toss-Up

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    I'd like to know how theyr'e going to invalidate marriages that already took place.

    Stripping people of rights they already have? Wtf is that?
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    I guess that would make California 'pro-America' in Palin's eyes.

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    im sorry, but wtf. backwards-ass country
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    It shouldn't have to be a toss-up. Human beings have a right to get married, and wether people want to accept the fact, homosexuals are human beings too. No one should be denied marriage if it's something they really want. How about we ban straight marriage, too?

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    That graph looks like a jesus fish lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I'd like to know how theyr'e going to invalidate marriages that already took place.

    Stripping people of rights they already have? Wtf is that?
    I thought I heard that those who marry before Nov 4th (if you assume Prop 8 passes) will not have their marriages annulled because that would be ex post facto.

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    this is the inherent danger in putting something like this on a ballot...

    trusting the masses.....it's scary

    does anyone know the next possible step if the ballot measure fails- I don't know CA procedure? can it go back to the legislature at a later point?



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    having minority rights voted on by a majority is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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    oh, i'm going to be so pissed if this passes. i think i might feel more passionately about prop. 8 than i do the presidential election.

    and, i'm so damn sick of seeing the yes on 8 signs everywhere. they make me want to puke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    this is the inherent danger in putting something like this on a ballot...

    trusting the masses.....it's scary

    does anyone know the next possible step if the ballot measure fails- I don't know CA procedure? can it go back to the legislature at a later point?
    It's supposed to be an amendment to the CA constitution from what I understand. If it passes, then they'll have to work to repeal the amendment.

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    we live in the 'mountains' away from the city, and everywhere i look its yes on 8 signs. sad sad times.
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