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    Obama's choice of Biden raises stakes for McCain
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    Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden as a running mate sets the bar for John McCain. The Republican could use his own pugnacious No. 2 to deliver attack lines and a solid debate performance.
    An appeal to working-class voters also would be a plus, although most political strategists add quickly that running mates historically make scant difference in the outcome of a presidential election.
    "Highly overrated," said Mike Murphy, a Republican who was a senior adviser in McCain's 2000 campaign.
    The GOP nominee-in-waiting is in the final stages of deciding who should join him on the ticket, and Obama's selection of Biden — a savvy debater, willing attack dog, and blue-collar champion — is certain to figure into McCain's calculation.
    His short list of contenders reportedly includes former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, as well as former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge and, perhaps, Democrat-turned-independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. A dark horse pick — like Gen. David Petraeus or former Secretary of State Colin Powell — also is possible when McCain announces his choice, perhaps as early as Friday.
    "Obama has picked someone who is going to be very aggressive in going after McCain, and who is not going to be recalcitrant about it," said Steve Elmendorf, a deputy campaign manager for Democrat John Kerry in 2004. "If I was McCain, I'd be thinking about my own attack dog."
    Added John Feehery, a Republican and ex-aide to former House Speaker Dennis Hastert: "He's going to want someone who can go toe to toe with Biden."
    For months now, McCain has had to do double duty, casting himself as the tested experienced leader while at the same time criticizing Obama as unqualified for the Oval Office. A tough-talking vice presidential nominee would free McCain to focus largely on his first task.
    Romney, who challenged McCain with zeal during the GOP primary, and Ridge, who as a McCain surrogate assailed Romney during the primary, both have shown a talent for the requisite biting rhetoric.
    At the same time, strategists say McCain should consider how his running mate will stack up against Obama's in the vice presidential debate this fall. It's arguably the most visible role vice presidential nominees play in the race, and Biden is a deft performer with deep knowledge of policy, both foreign and domestic.
    Here, too, Romney stands out. He consistently had solid showings during numerous GOP debates.
    Still, that's not to say any of the others wouldn't rise to the occasion.
    "Certainly Biden was a big choice for Obama, and it does, therefore, force McCain to think about a big choice, both in terms of debates and the potential demographic or state-by-state advantages in who he picks for his running mate," said Bob Shrum, a Democrat and veteran of many presidential campaigns.
    Obama's campaign hopes Biden, with his Catholic, working-class, Pennsylvania roots, proves to be an asset in key swing states and among core voting groups. They also hope his foreign policy, crime-fighting, 36-year Senate resume will help reassure voters wary about Obama's readiness to be president.
    Biden is the senior senator from Delaware, a longtime Democratic voting state that Obama is certain to win. However, he's also a native of Scranton, Pa. He has been dubbed "Pennsylvania's third senator" because of his ties to the battleground state and his exposure in the Philadelphia media market that reaches Delaware.
    Republicans — and even some Democrats — cast doubt that Biden on the ticket will seal Pennsylvania for Obama, but they say he may help some. Likewise, Obama's campaign hopes Biden gives Democrats an edge in Midwest states like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Iowa that are home to the same types of voters.
    "Biden is a blue-collar, pro-union attractive candidate," said Scott Reed, a Republican who ran Bob Dole's campaign in 1996. "Republicans are going to need to counter that."

    McCain has several options to offset Biden's strengths, both in terms of states and demographics.
    He could put Ridge, a former Pennsylvania governor who backs abortion rights and connects with the working class, on the ticket, or choose Romney to try to help in Michigan, another Democratic-leaning state where McCain hopes to prevail and one where Romney grew up and still has deep ties.
    Pawlenty might be able to help in Minnesota but Republicans say the state will be tough for McCain to win even if the governor is on the ticket. Still, Pawlenty could help counter Biden's blue-collar biography; he, too, came from a modest background and calls himself a "Sam's Club" Republican.
    Republicans and Democrats alike say McCain also would be wise to choose someone who is strong where he is weak — such as on economic issues — to try to undercut the opposition's attacks.
    Obama sought to do that with his Biden pick. Said Steve McMahon, a Democrat who was a senior aide on Howard Dean's 2004 campaign: "Obama has effectively checked McCain on McCain's only relevant argument by choosing Biden, who has more foreign policy and Washington experience than McCain."
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    Somhow i dont think Colin Powell is going to come out of retirement for McSame
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    I don't see Colin Powell coming out of retirement for McCain, either. He jumped off the sinking ship of Bush's presidency for a reason.

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    i still can't believe these polls that have O and Mctard in a dead heat.

    after 8 years of insanity and destruction.. a dead heat? It boggles the mind
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    That's America for you. People tend to get reeled in by the soundbytes instead of doing their homework and making an informed decision when it comes to picking a president.

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    But you see, not everyone has bought Obama hook, line and sinker like you have. Those are the ones that are undecided, or causing this to be a dead heat.

    Those of you on the Obama band wagon are blind to his shortcomings and won't listen when people have concerns. Anyone with a concern is either stupid, a racist or should just shut up and stay home. That attitude just alienates the voters rather than convincing them.

    I think most Americans don't want more of the same, but are not convinced Obama is the person to lead at this time. So what does that leave them with? A dead heat in the polls.

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    Again for the last time

    Any hillary backer voting for McSame is a retard.

    What concerns have you voiced? All you've said is that Hillary lost because of sexism, Hillary should be the nominee, 18 million people cant be wrong, and then its everybody elses fault that hillary lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendOrFoe View Post
    But you see, not everyone has bought Obama hook, line and sinker like you have. Those are the ones that are undecided, or causing this to be a dead heat.

    Those of you on the Obama band wagon are blind to his shortcomings and won't listen when people have concerns. Anyone with a concern is either stupid, a racist or should just shut up and stay home. That attitude just alienates the voters rather than convincing them.

    I think most Americans don't want more of the same, but are not convinced Obama is the person to lead at this time. So what does that leave them with? A dead heat in the polls.
    I agree. I am one of those people who haven't made up her mind yet. If McSame is tainted by his association with Bush, then what does that make Obama by his association with Rev. Wright? He called Wright his mentor and sat as a member of his church for 20 years. The sermons that have gotten all the media attention, I don't believe are isolated. What does Obama have that McCain does not and vice versa? I see positives and negatives in both, but I don't see McCain supporters as stupid or racist nor do I see Obama supporters as all ultra liberals.

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    Uh.. McCain is fucking senile, for one. He has the very people who destroyed America for the last 8 years working on his campaign. Karl Rove is his advisor for gods sake. The man who outed a CIA agent as revenge.

    You want more of that? Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriendOrFoe View Post
    But you see, not everyone has bought Obama hook, line and sinker like you have. Those are the ones that are undecided, or causing this to be a dead heat.

    Those of you on the Obama band wagon are blind to his shortcomings and won't listen when people have concerns. Anyone with a concern is either stupid, a racist or should just shut up and stay home. That attitude just alienates the voters rather than convincing them.

    I think most Americans don't want more of the same, but are not convinced Obama is the person to lead at this time. So what does that leave them with? A dead heat in the polls.
    You keep trying to act like anybody who doesn't bash Obama the way you do must be blinded. Nobody has ever said Obama was perfect and that he didn't have shortcomings. And constantly accusing people of thinking Obama is perfect because he's not Hillary, and calling it 'concerns', isn't a good way to get your point across, either.

    And as for the polls, it's not a shock that it's so close. If Hillary was the nominee it'd be the same thing, even though you probably think she'd have a comfortable lead.

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    Excuse me, but the fact that BO had exactly ONE YEAR of US Senate experience, is not something that you can blame on anyone else. It must be very convenient for you to accuse those of us who have justifiable cause for concern regarding his absolute inexperience as whining retards, but the reality is Barack Obama is NOT READY for prime time. Had he actually served AT LEAST one term as a Senator, then maybe. One year? Sorry. I'm not feeling confident. Look, after the last 8 years and the technicolor mess W made out of the country, I want someone qualified to steer the ship of state. On the job training didn't work out so well last time. Please enlighten me, exactly what life experiences has BO had, other than one year as a Senator, that you feel qualifies him to be President? He was my absolute last choice of all the Democratic contenders. Any of the others was more prepared. Any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Excuse me, but the fact that BO had exactly ONE YEAR of US Senate experience, is not something that you can blame on anyone else.

    Who's blaming anybody for that? Point it out.

    It must be very convenient for you to accuse those of us who have justifiable cause for concern regarding his absolute inexperience as whining retards, but the reality is Barack Obama is NOT READY for prime time.
    No, that's not the reality. That's your OPINION. Surely your magnificent education at an Ivy League school taught you the vast difference between the two?

    Had he actually served AT LEAST one term as a Senator, then maybe. One year? Sorry. I'm not feeling confident.
    No, because you look at Hillary's 8 years beside President Cigarsnatch and that somehow translates into experience.

    Look, after the last 8 years and the technicolor mess W made out of the country, I want someone qualified to steer the ship of state.
    Being someone's wife is not experience.

    On the job training didn't work out so well last time. Please enlighten me, exactly what life experiences has BO had, other than one year as a Senator, that you feel qualifies him to be President? He was my absolute last choice of all the Democratic contenders. Any of the others was more prepared. Any of them.
    How was hillary prepared? LOL
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    Because HRC actually served her first term out as US senator and was reelected to a second term as a US Senator, now two years into it. A total of 8 years served as US Senator (in NY my home state I might add). That would be in addition to the 8 years as first lady. Do you even do basic research? Do they even cover this in Canada? Barack Obama had served ONE YEAR before he began running for president. I can't wait to see you tap dance around this.

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    Mmhmm and where was Obama before that? Let me think... hmmm.. maybe you can answer that. Do they cover past history (you know, the kind your country repeats over and over as if never having learned anything) in AMERICA? In that hardcore Ivy League School you attended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Mmhmm and where was Obama before that? Let me think... hmmm.. maybe you can answer that. Do they cover past history (you know, the kind your country repeats over and over as if never having learned anything) in AMERICA? In that hardcore Ivy League School you attended?
    Where was Barack Obama then? I refer you to the Chicago Sun-Times. Go to that site put in Obama and Antoin 'Tony' Rezko. Prepare for an eyefull about Barack and his slum lord now indicted friend, for whom Obama did all kinds of 'boneheaded favors' to quote BO. Please note that I said 'whom'. Grammar is another thing we learned in that useless school in Cambridge, Mass. And BTW, the fact that you have no idea where BO was before he miraculously appeared as The Messiah and are still ruthlessly pimping him shows your ignorance. I especially enjoy how you completely disregard the fact that HRC served in the US Senate 8 times longer than BO. So that would be the reason I think she (for that matter any of the other democratic candidates) are/were more qualified. Just because he's pretty and reads the teleprompter reasonably well, does not ameliorate the fact that he is wet behind the ears. *Grimm goes to dictionary...hmmm...ameliorate....*
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