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    Inquiry in Ohio Could Hurt Obama Vote
    By CHRISTOPHER MAAG

    CLEVELAND — A federal investigation of Democratic Party leaders in Cuyahoga County could pose problems for Barack Obama’s campaign in Ohio, party insiders and political analysts say.

    If the party’s local campaign operation suffers, some Democrats said, it could cost Mr. Obama votes in a Democratic area where he must win overwhelmingly to offset Republican strength elsewhere in the state.

    “There’s no question that this is not helpful,” said Peter Lawson Jones, a Democrat who serves on the three-member Cuyahoga County Board of Commissioners with Jimmy Dimora, the chairman of the county Democratic Party, who is at the center of a federal inquiry.

    But representatives of Mr. Obama’s campaign in Ohio dismiss the idea that the events in Cuyahoga County will have any effect on the November election. They argue that Mr. Obama has built an effective organization in Ohio that does not need the county party’s help.

    “The Obama campaign has such a strong network of its own grass-roots people,” said Dale Miller, a Democrat and Ohio state senator from Cleveland who is campaigning for Mr. Obama. “Even if the county Democratic Party operation is not as effective because of the investigation, it’s not going to affect us very much.”

    On July 28, F.B.I. and I.R.S. agents raided the homes and offices of Mr. Dimora and Frank Russo, a Democrat who is the county auditor, an elected position. The offices of several construction companies and a consulting business owned by Mr. Russo’s son were also searched.

    Federal investigators sought documents regarding public construction projects, including a county administration building and a new juvenile court and jail, according to a federal search warrant released by James McCafferty, the Cuyahoga County administrator.

    Agents also sought information about home remodeling projects at Mr. Dimora’s and Mr. Russo’s houses, county government hiring practices and “Cuyahoga County employees working on political party business during normal business hours,” the search warrant said.

    Both Mr. Dimora and Mr. Russo have declared their innocence. No charges have been filed.

    “I know in my heart that I’ve done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of an investigation,” Mr. Dimora said at a county commissioners’ meeting after the raid. “I am absolutely confident that when the dust clears my good name and reputation will also be cleared.”

    No matter the result of the investigation, some Democrats worry that it is hurting their party’s efforts to mobilize for the presidential election.

    “People are skittish,” Mr. Jones, the county commissioner, said.

    “When there’s a federal investigation under way, friends and acquaintances scatter.”

    Cuyahoga County is the most populous and Democratic-leaning county in Ohio. In one Congressional district in the county, John Kerry won 81 percent of the vote in 2004. But even that large margin of victory could not overcome strong Republican majorities elsewhere in Ohio. President Bush won the state that year by about 118,000 votes out of 5.6 million cast.

    “Kerry won big in Cuyahoga County, but it wasn’t enough,” said David B. Cohen, a political science professor at the University of Akron. “Which means Obama needs to win even bigger.”

    That may prove difficult with top leaders of the local Democratic Party under investigation. Over three decades in public office, Mr. Dimora has built a broad political coalition, with many allies working as ward leaders, City Council members and mayors across the county.

    In June, Mr. Russo told The Plain Dealer of Cleveland that he used the county auditor’s office to hire his friends and family members, who also serve as the core of his political organization. Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Russo declined to comment for this article.
    “Both Jimmy and Frank have their loyal networks with hundreds of people who are beholden to them, who are on the public payroll,” said Subodh Chandra, a former law director for the City of Cleveland and a part-time fund-raiser for Democratic candidates, including Mr. Obama. “Given that they’re both under investigation, one would imagine they’d be distracted from the campaign.”

    Meanwhile, Republicans see the investigation as an opportunity to narrow the Democratic Party’s traditionally large majorities in the area.

    “The backbone of their operation is being taken out because so many of their volunteers are public officials and public employees,” said Jim Trakas, the former chairman of the Cuyahoga County Republican Party, who is running against Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, a Democrat. “That will make it very difficult for them to campaign.”

    Given Mr. Bush’s slim margins of victory in Ohio in the 2000 and 2004 elections, and polls showing that last month John McCain had cut Mr. Obama’s six-point lead in Ohio to a statistical dead heat, even a small drop in the Democratic voter turnout in Cuyahoga County could have an impact statewide.

    “This investigation could hamper voter registration and get-out-the-vote efforts in the fall campaign because typically local parties are instrumental to those efforts,” said John C. Green, a political science professor at the University of Akron. “Cuyahoga County is a very important element in the Democratic effort nationwide.”

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    Bush is getting a head start on trying to help McCain steal...win the election.

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    By the same token that I was shocked and appalled when Bush won the White House not once but TWICE FFS...I cannot see where anyone would look at McCain and say, "Oh, hell, yes, this guy gets my vote!" I'd sooner waste my vote on my used tampon applicator, I swear to God...

    Any McCain supporters out there want to enlighten me on this? I really just don't get it.

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    Kingcap, much as I hate the idea of another Republican president, stop this bs about how if Saint Barack looses the election it's because it was 'stolen from him'. It's what he makes of it. I am tired of hearing about how the Clinton supporters owe BO their votes, even though he has made no effort to court them. Do you understand that the Clinton voters are 50% of the people registered as democrats? Because BO either does not get it or does not give a shit. This act of 'I dont have to play nice, where else are they going to go' will blow up in his and his supporters faces. The Clinton supporters dont have to go anywhere, including the voting booth. I would strongly suggest that this is the electoral demographic he needs to secure. There is zero chance he can win without it. Do the electoral math. Otherwise 'My Man Barack' will be on the wrong side of the win/lose column and it will be nothing but his absolute arrogance to blame. BTW, if I meant uppity I would say uppity. ARROGANCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Kingcap, much as I hate the idea of another Republican president, stop this bs about how if Saint Barack looses the election it's because it was 'stolen from him'. It's what he makes of it. I am tired of hearing about how the Clinton supporters owe BO their votes, even though he has made no effort to court them. Do you understand that the Clinton voters are 50% of the people registered as democrats? Because BO either does not get it or does not give a shit. This act of 'I dont have to play nice, where else are they going to go' will blow up in his and his supporters faces. The Clinton supporters dont have to go anywhere, including the voting booth. I would strongly suggest that this is the electoral demographic he needs to secure. There is zero chance he can win without it. Do the electoral math. Otherwise 'My Man Barack' will be on the wrong side of the win/lose column and it will be nothing but his absolute arrogance to blame. BTW, if I meant uppity I would say uppity. ARROGANCE.
    Scooter, no offense, but I know you need to believe with all your might that Obama is a weak candidate and Hillary is the stronger candidate. But the fact remains that Obama racked up more delegates, pledged delegates and super delegates than Hillary. So, obviously, the majority of Democrats felt that Obama was a better candidate.

    And I know you think that all of these Clinton supporters are just thinking about staying home and not voting for Obama like you are, but from what I've seen and heard the majority are moving passed it.

    Oh, by the way, if Hillary was the nominee how would she be able to win in the states that generally vote Republican since Republicans hate her. Obama can, at least, siphon off some Republican votes, something Hillary could never do. And for a Democrat to win the presidency, they have to be able to do that. Just like a Republican needs to be able to siphon off some Democratic votes to win. So, for those die-hard Hillary supporters who plan to vote for McCain, that loss can be balanced out with dissatisfied Republican voters for Obama. So, see, it all works out.

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    ^^Good points..

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Kingcap, much as I hate the idea of another Republican president, stop this bs about how if Saint Barack looses the election it's because it was 'stolen from him'. It's what he makes of it. I am tired of hearing about how the Clinton supporters owe BO their votes, even though he has made no effort to court them. Do you understand that the Clinton voters are 50% of the people registered as democrats? Because BO either does not get it or does not give a shit. This act of 'I dont have to play nice, where else are they going to go' will blow up in his and his supporters faces. The Clinton supporters dont have to go anywhere, including the voting booth. I would strongly suggest that this is the electoral demographic he needs to secure. There is zero chance he can win without it. Do the electoral math. Otherwise 'My Man Barack' will be on the wrong side of the win/lose column and it will be nothing but his absolute arrogance to blame. BTW, if I meant uppity I would say uppity. ARROGANCE.
    Was it Bull Shit when Bush stole it in 2000, please enlighten me! If it happened once, it can happen again!!
    I also would like to know where he isn't playing nice to Clinton's supporters? And this isn't a relationship, why the hell do he have to court the crazy ass ones who are holding on to their grudge tighter than Oprah to a pit beef sandwich..gimme a break. There is a time to be sore whining ass losers, and there is a time to let go..and guess what three months before the November election is that time!!
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    How about you say something that will motivate the people who can actually guarantee the win? Other than Fucktard and Sore Whining Ass Losers and Crazy Ass Ones, of course. Those have had quite a few outings here already. Please notice that while I may disagree with you I do not call you names. Please show me one single thing that BO has done to try to be inclusive/encouraging of the 50%of the democratic partywho didnt vote for him which can deliver the presidency. No he doesn't need to do that right? After all where are we going to go? Oh Lieberman Oh Lieberman, where is the independant candidate *to the tune of oh christmas tree* But perhaps you are right and It Will All Work Out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    How about you say something that will motivate the people who can actually guarantee the win? Other than Fucktard and Sore Whining Ass Losers and Crazy Ass Ones, of course. Those have had quite a few outings here already. Please notice that while I may disagree with you I do not call you names. Please show me one single thing that BO has done to try to be inclusive/encouraging of the 50%of the democratic partywho didnt vote for him which can deliver the presidency. No he doesn't need to do that right? After all where are we going to go? Oh Lieberman Oh Lieberman, where is the independant candidate *to the tune of oh christmas tree* But perhaps you are right and It Will All Work Out.
    This motivate and encourage me crap is way beyond coddling of an adult that I am willing to do. Especially, to so called Democrats who knows what is on the line. It is quite heartbreaking to see alleged dems. in the month of August asking 'what have Obama done for me lately,' but not paying attention to the fact that McCain won't do a thing for them. Obama and his endorsers have bent over backwards to help Clinton retire her campaign debt. What do you want from him, and I hope it isn't the VP Nod...because that isn't happening. Maybe, it's blood, or even his first born...I bet if Clinton won the nomination Obama supporters would have came on board with NOTHING needed, or given!! Yes, the Clinton supporters who want ass kissing at this late date...are crazy ass whiners. I am not that bright to use fucktards...but I will take that charge!!
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    I'm sorry, but all this "what has obama done" crap is starting to irk me. Even during the whole campaign, he spoke well of Hillary. Afterwards, he spoke well of her. Some people tried to denounce her or heckle her at one of his stops, and he shut them down IMMEDIATELY.

    He's been nothing but gracious towards her, and her retard fanatics have been nothing but foaming, rabid, whiny, petulant CHILDREN.

    They need to grow up.
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    OMFG! Ohio is going to fuck up everything again!!! *repeatedly bashes head against desk*
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