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    Exclamation Hillary Clinton planning to derail Barack Obama at Democratic convention

    Oh for gods sake..

    Sen. Hillary Clinton told a gathering of supporters last week that she's looking for a "strategy" for her delegates to have their voices heard and "respected" at the Democratic National Convention -- and did not rule out the possibility of having her name placed into nomination at the convention alongside Sen. Barack Obama's.

    "I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified," Clinton, D-N.Y., said at a California fundraiser last Thursday, in a video clip captured by an attendee and posted on YouTube.

    "Because I know from just what I'm hearing, that there's incredible pent-up desire. And I think that people want to feel like, 'OK, it's a catharsis, we're here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.' That is what most people believe is the best way to go," she said.

    "No decisions have been made. And so we are trying to work all this through with the DNC and with the Obama campaign."

    Clinton's comments shed some light on a fierce behind-the-scenes squabble between the Clinton and Obama camps over how to recognize Clinton and her achievements in the primaries without overshadowing or detracting from a convention that belongs to Obama.


    Clinton's Role Being Negotiated

    The New York Daily News reported Friday that Clinton has decided not to submit a signed request to the DNC to have her name put into nomination; party rules require such a move for a candidate to be voted on.


    But Clinton aides continue to say publicly that such details are still being discussed in consultations among the Clinton camp, the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

    "No decisions have been made," Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said.

    "Sen. Clinton is 100 percent committed to helping Barack Obama become the next president of the United States," Strand added. "She is very appreciative of the continued commitment of her supporters and understands there are passionate feelings around the convention. While no decisions have been made at this time, they will be made collaboratively with Sen. Clinton and her staff, the DNC and Sen. Obama's campaign and released at the appropriate time."

    Hillary Clinton Holds Convention Bargaining Chip
    Sources close to both Obama and Clinton told ABC News that the New York senator is highly unlikely to allow her name to be formally submitted for a roll-call vote on the convention floor. The Obama campaign wants to avoid such a vote, since it would underscore the party's splits and remind voters of the divisive primary campaign between the two Democrats.

    The refusal to publicly announce her intentions is widely seen as a bargaining chip Clinton is holding on to as party officials negotiate logistics regarding her convention speech and other activities, according to several Democrats who are closely involved in the matter.

    Clinton plans to hold a Web chat with supporters Thursday afternoon where she might clarify her convention role. In announcing the Web chat, she urged her supporters to continue to stay tuned to her Web site for updates about her convention activities.

    But the very fact that details of her convention role remain unresolved less than three weeks before the Democrats descend upon Denver is a fresh sign of the difficulties the party will face at a convention when nearly half the delegates were chosen because of their support for a candidate who will not be the nominee.

    History provides little guidance: In the modern convention era, the delegate count for the two leading candidates has never been this close.

    Lanny Davis, a longtime friend and supporter of the Clintons, called the idea of putting Clinton's name into nomination a "completely idiotic idea that leads to nothing but party disharmony."

    Still, the fact that some Clinton supporters are clamoring for a chance to vote for her at the convention is partly Obama's fault, he said. Davis, who described himself as "100 percent behind Obama" in the general election, said Obama should be doing more -- in symbolic and substantive gestures -- to make clear he values and needs the support of former Clinton supporters.

    "It's a reflection of genuine frustration by Hillary Clinton supporters that Sen. Obama seems to have forgotten about 18 million voters," Davis said. "My concern about Sen. Obama is he doesn't recognize that the outreach to the Clinton grass roots has to be more visible, more overt, as well as more symbolic."

    The two camps have worked cooperatively on a draft of the party platform, and Clinton is set to hit the campaign trail for Obama on Friday, appearing by herself at an Obama event in Nevada.

    The campaigns also issued a joint statement late today, reiterating that there is no division.

    "We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success," the joint statement said. "At the Democratic Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election."

    Clinton Delegate Gathering Signatures
    And party leaders are coming together to help retire her campaign debt, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid scheduled to headline a fundraiser on her behalf Sept. 17.

    Still, some Clinton loyalists have complained that Obama hasn't done enough to help Clinton pay off the debt she amassed during the primaries.

    Davis said that if Obama won't name Clinton as his running mate, he could at least designate her the convention's keynote speaker. Clinton will get a choice prime-time slot Tuesday night, but no decisions have been announced regarding the keynote address.


    "Her supporters want -- after 18 million votes, and the record of success from March 1 through June 1 -- to feel recognized, and I think we should," Davis said.

    Clinton is facing pressure from some of her die-hard supporters to request that her name to be placed into nomination.

    Several groups of Clinton supporters are organizing marches and demonstrations in Denver. Major events are being planned for Aug. 26, the date Clinton is slated to speak at the convention -- which happens to be the 88th anniversary of the ratification of the constitutional amendment guaranteeing women's suffrage.

    Susan Castner, a Clinton delegate from Portland, Ore., is gathering the 300 signatures from delegates that Clinton would need in case she decides she wants to be part of convention balloting.

    "We will have this in hand for Sen. Clinton, should this be needed," said Castner, who said that she's already gathered about half the necessary signatures.

    Castner said she and many other Clinton supporters will only feel as if their voices are being heard if they are allowed to vote for Clinton on a first ballot.

    "It's been a tradition since the late 1800s -- it's a nominating convention, you vote, you nominate someone, and you come out unified. I don't see how alienating 1,800 delegates gives you party unity when we walk out of the stadium," she said. "Hillary delegates feel like we're not welcome, needed, or valued."

    "I cannot believe that Sen. Clinton, after putting in that much time, energy and effort, would just say, ' Nah, take my name out,' " Castner said.

    Obama Campaign Downplays Reports of Tension
    Some Clinton backers have even speculated that a roll call could result in a Clinton victory, though Clinton herself has said such an outcome is nearly impossible. Many Clinton delegates have followed their candidate's lead and are fully supporting Obama's candidacy, so Clinton will likely wind up with fewer votes in a roll call than her delegate total as of the final primaries June 3.

    What we want to have happen is for Sen. Obama to be nominated by a unified convention of Democrats," Clinton said at the California fundraiser last week. "And as I have said, the best way I think -- and I could be wrong -- but the best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they have a role, and that their legitimacy has been validated."

    She added: "It's as old as, you know, as Greek drama. You know, there is a catharsis. I mean, everybody comes and, you know, they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that's all to the good. Because then, you know, everybody can go, 'OK, great, now let's go out and win.' "

    "And that's what we want people to feel. We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, 'Well, you know, I'm just not satisfied, I'm not happy.' Because, I mean, that's what I'm trying to avoid."

    The clear challenge for Clinton, Obama, and the DNC is to allow for the Clinton delegates to feel satisfied and energized without undermining the legitimacy of Obama's nomination.

    Nick Shapiro, an Obama campaign spokesman, downplayed reports of tension between the two camps.

    "Sen. Clinton will play a critical role in this convention and is also playing a critical role in the campaign," Shapiro said. "She has campaigned for Obama, raised money for him and spoken on his behalf on several occasions. We appreciate and look forward to her continued support."

    ABC News: Unity? Hillary Could Be on Denver Ballot
    Jesus christ, she's The Thing From Another World That WOULDNT DIE. She just keeps popping out of unexpected places, rearing her head again and again.



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    ^

    She's not doing the Democratic party any favors by pulling this bullsh*t.

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    Once again, Hillary's thinking only about Hillary. That's why she only suspended her campaign instead of ending it. If Obama ends up losing this election because of the crap she's pulling she can kiss any future chances of being president goodbye.

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    Bitch better not mess stuff up. I'm on the list to receive two of the 60k tickets set aside for Colorado residents and I'm hopeful of getting to take my son to see the acceptance speech.
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    I am fully convinced she is hoping and planning to do whatever she can to help him loose to McCain (MCsame to Grimm) so that she can return in '12.

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    It is a very stupid thing for Hillary's supporters to stage demonstrations or protests. Unless they want another four more years of Bush by getting McCain Elected. I was a Hillary supporter in the beginning now I am on the Obama team. I think he's great.

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    John Edward's lovechild has already taken that spot light. Next!

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    Hilltards don't care if the election is thrown to McSame.. hell, they would prefer to see that than have the big bad man who stole the presidency from Hiwwawy get it.

    They're fucking mental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    They're fucking mental.
    No doubt

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    Never before has Hillary irritated me more. If she fucks up Obama's chances, you can be sure I'm going after her with a pitchfork.

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    Eh, sounds like ABC News is just trying to make a story. The number of delegate votes is fixed by the time the convention starts. Part of the reason Hilary kept her campaign going until the end was because it gave her until the convention to find money to pay off her campaign debt. If she ended it before the end of the primary season, she'd be liable to pay it off at that moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    The number of delegate votes is fixed by the time the convention starts.
    I disagree with this, there is no such thing as a "fixed vote until it is actually cast.
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    Well, I can say for certain that delegates from Washington state cannot change their vote from the state convention to the national convention. I don't think that's just a rule made by Washington state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    I disagree with this, there is no such thing as a "fixed vote until it is actually cast.
    Grey you are correct the committed delegates vote the first time through. However, If there is no clear majority , all of the pledged delegates are released and it is a fresh start. For the entirety of the existance of our country this is the way the nomination has been decided, This did not start this year. There are a lot of people who have BO fatigue. The last Gallop poll show him to be at best in a dead heat with McCain; at worst 2 points behind. When you combine this with the fact that even if BO wins every single one of the 2 and 3 vote electoral States he carried in the primaries there is no way he can win the general election without carrying the powerhouse electoral states such as FL, OH, MI, NY, NJ, CT, CA which were all Clinton Country. Do the electoral math. I strongly advise that this is the time to make nice with the Clinton supporters (have you heard about PUMA?) There is NO WAY he can win with out landing that demographic.

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    Clinton supporters need to grow the fuck up and move on.
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