Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 50

Thread: Could Barack Obama still lose the nomination?

  1. #1
    Hit By Ban Bus!
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    556

    Default Could Barack Obama still lose the nomination?

    Could Obama still lose the nomination?

    By Denis Keohane


    Will Hillary outsmart Obama and take the nomination at the last minute?


    Many of us familiar with Hillary Clinton's approach to achieving her goals refused to believe that she ever gave up all hope of winning the nomination and the presidency. Her words and actions on the subject of the convention itself always left the door open for a return, should Obama falter or suffer some calamity.

    Her artful evasions were enough to lull journalists and (more importantly) Obama and his supporters into the presumption of inevitability. No further rumblings of a mass protest in Denver should the first black candidate be denied his rightful due were heard. After all, he received enough publicly expressed support from super delegates to put him over the top. And he won the popular vote in the primaries, we were assured, lending legitimacy to the super delegates who voiced their support.

    Everyone presumed the presumptive nominee was a lock.


    Now there are a few signs that Hillary may be making her move.


    - Blogger Patterico alludes to the Hillary Clinton campaign burning up the phone lines to the super delegates.

    - Bill Clinton told ABC News, "I am not a racist" and contended the race card was played against him. Even when prompted in the same interview to state that Obama was ready for the Presidency, he did not deliver.


    - Hillary's PUMA ( short for "Party Unity My A--.") supporters in Denver and nationally plan a rally at a Denver park during the convention.


    - ABC news reported yesterday that Hillary Clinton does not rule out putting her name in nomination,contradicting earlier press reports.


    Many people, including no doubt a goodly number of nervous Democrat super delegates, are asking themselves the David Brooks' question about Obama's standing in the polls: "Where's the landslide ?" After evaluating him for several months, voters in the middle still aren't ready to embrace him.


    National polls show not only a tightening of the Obama-McCain race to a statistical dead heat but momentum toward a McCain lead, something inconceivable only weeks ago. The specter of an Obama collapse has to haunt more than a few super delegates.


    Buyer's remorse seemed evident and growing among many Democrats toward the end of their primary season when Obama lost again and again to Clinton, even as the delegate math was by then stacked in his favor. That remorse was put on hold (but apparently not resolved) by Obama's seeming to secure the nomination and the subsequent popular boost he enjoyed at first. But lately the candidate with a difference has had a hard time living up to his promise to be a new kind of politician.


    According to RealClearPolitics, Obama has 1766.5 pledged delegates, 352 short of the 2118 needed to secure the nomination. He also has 463 super delegates, which puts him over the top -- if they hold. If a combination of Clinton campaigning and nervousness can cause a hundred and twenty or so super delegates to sit out the first ballot, Obama does not get the nomination on the first ballot and perhaps not at all. After that first vote a great many pledged delegates and all the super delegates are free to vote as they choose.


    How much pressure could there then be for the forty-seven year old Obama to take the VP spot under Hillary, with the understanding that he would as such be the next Democrat in line for the top nomination whether Hillary won or lost, served one, two or no terms?


    It looks like Obama's belief in his inevitability may have led him into a blunder, making it easier for Hillary supporters to prevent a nomination on the first ballot. After that point, anything goes, as all super delegates and many pledged delegates are free to vote their preferences.


    After accepting the party's decision last June to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida but with half votes, only days ago Obama said he wanted the delegates to have full votes


    Obviously, he said this believing he has won the nomination and that pandering to voters in critical general election states is of more importance.


    If the party goes along with Obama's request, it reduces the number of super delegates who would need to sit out the first ballot for Obama to be denied the nomination, opening the way for Clinton! Ouch!


    This is proof that the man should not be negotiating with Ahmadinejad. If he cannot think strategically and recognize his vulnerability to a last minute ambush at the convention, he would be eaten alive in big league world affairs.


    Worst of all, in his letter to the Credentials Committee arguing in favor of full votes for the two delegations, he writes:


    Democrats in Florida and Michigan must know that they are full partners and colleagues in our historic mission to reshape Washington and lead our country in a new direction.
    These words tacitly argue for acceptance of the popular vote results in those states. Obama cannot see one step ahead, for adding them to the vote count would give the Democratic primary season popular vote majority to Hillary.


    There are about three weeks to the delegate voting. Things can still happen or even, as sometimes suspected with the Clintons, be made to happen.

    American Thinker: Could Obama still lose the nomination?

  2. #2
    Elite Member Grimmlok's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    In WhoreLand fucking your MOM
    Posts
    55,372

    Default

    Oh Hillary, GO AWAY
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

  3. #3
    Elite Member Belinda's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    going to hell in a handbasket
    Posts
    3,180

    Default

    IMO she'd be stupid to try to take the nomination from Obama but nothing they do anymore surprises me.

  4. #4
    Elite Member Grimmlok's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    In WhoreLand fucking your MOM
    Posts
    55,372

    Default

    I'm betting the author is a bitter jellus hillary fantard. It has all the hallmarks
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

  5. #5
    Elite Member LynnieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    34,698

    Default

    No way...won't happen.

  6. #6
    Hit By Ban Bus!
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I'm betting the author is a bitter jellus hillary fantard. It has all the hallmarks
    Nah, more like an 'Operation Chaos' enthusiast.

  7. #7
    Hit By Ban Bus!
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,778

    Default

    John Kerry was well ahead in the polls at this point, we all know what happened to him:



    *EDIT: thought this was talking about the election, not the nomination ... my fault.

  8. #8
    Elite Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,540

    Default

    Well the latest polling is a dead heat between Obama and McCain. when the undecided leaners are added it has McCain ahead by 2 points. Frankly, given that Clinton won 50% of the popular vote, I see no reason why her name shouldnt be on the ballot. I've said it before: If this were 2 white guys with the exact same record and votes, no one would be telling Clinton s/he shouldnt be on the ballot.

  9. #9
    Elite Member *DIVA!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    15,742

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Well the latest polling is a dead heat between Obama and McCain. when the undecided leaners are added it has McCain ahead by 2 points. Frankly, given that Clinton won 50% of the popular vote, I see no reason why her name shouldnt be on the ballot. I've said it before: If this were 2 white guys with the exact same record and votes, no one would be telling Clinton s/he shouldnt be on the ballot.
    Are you serious? That doesn't make any sense at all! Especially, if she wants to ruin her chances down line, and the Democrats chances now. Given this is a different time, then 2004 people are giving the pollsters the time of day. They are way to busy with finding cheap food and gas, and entertain their kids at home..since going on vacation might be out of the question. If you have never been polled, I have this summer when I was leaving a baseball game...they were rather long winded, and took a while getting to the meat and potato's question. Guess what, they write down anything!
    Baltimore O's ​Fan!

    I don''t know if she really fucked the board though. Maybe just put the tip in. -Mrs. Dark

  10. #10
    Elite Member kingcap72's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    10 miles from Pootie Tang
    Posts
    21,909

    Default

    Hillary's not getting the nomination. Period. But, then again, I don't put anything past Hillary. I read somewhere that there's suppose to be an '18 Million Vote' march by her supporters in Denver at the convention. I was like, gimme a break. If Hillary supporters want to help her out, maybe they should all contribute a dollar to pay off her campaign debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Well the latest polling is a dead heat between Obama and McCain. when the undecided leaners are added it has McCain ahead by 2 points. Frankly, given that Clinton won 50% of the popular vote, I see no reason why her name shouldnt be on the ballot. I've said it before: If this were 2 white guys with the exact same record and votes, no one would be telling Clinton s/he shouldnt be on the ballot.
    But how many of those votes that Hillary got were from Republicans trying to make sure she got the nomination, because they knew she would be easier to beat than Obama. A lot of Hillary supporters forget that it was common knowledge that people like Rush Limbaugh were telling Republicans to go out and vote for Hillary during the primaries.

    And the fact is, Obama led Hillary in delegates, pledged delegates, and super delegates. And back when Bill Clinton was running for president the first time and had clearly clinched the nomination, fellow Democrat Governor Jerry Brown was being told to drop out of the race because he had no chance, just like Hillary was.

  11. #11
    Hit By Ban Bus!
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    556

    Default


  12. #12
    Elite Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,540

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Hillary's not getting the nomination. Period. But, then again, I don't put anything past Hillary. I read somewhere that there's suppose to be an '18 Million Vote' march by her supporters in Denver at the convention. I was like, gimme a break. If Hillary supporters want to help her out, maybe they should all contribute a dollar to pay off her campaign debt.



    But how many of those votes that Hillary got were from Republicans trying to make sure she got the nomination, because they knew she would be easier to beat than Obama. A lot of Hillary supporters forget that it was common knowledge that people like Rush Limbaugh were telling Republicans to go out and vote for Hillary during the primaries.

    And the fact is, Obama led Hillary in delegates, pledged delegates, and super delegates. And back when Bill Clinton was running for president the first time and had clearly clinched the nomination, fellow Democrat Governor Jerry Brown was being told to drop out of the race because he had no chance, just like Hillary was.
    Jerry Brown did not have anywhere near 50% of the popular vote. Also, lets try to remember one thing, even if BO carries every single state he won during the primaries, there is no electoral math that will secure him the general election. The big electoral powerhouse states were all Clinton Country. If you want the Clinton supporters to get behind BO, and you are not threatened by HRC, then what is the harm of letting her name be entered at the convention? Or are the Obama-nation afraid that if they do, her 50% might become 51% and she wins the nomination? Frankly, for most of our nations history, the nomination was decided at the convention, whether through floor fights or whatever. I personally just want the most qualified person steering the ship. One year in the senate seems mightly light to think you're qualified to be President. On the job training of the underqualified didn't work out so well the last 8 years. Given the mess Idiot43 has made of our country, it's going to take someone who knows what they are doing to clean it up. Just my opinion.

  13. #13
    Elite Member Grimmlok's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    In WhoreLand fucking your MOM
    Posts
    55,372

    Default

    being a presidents wife doesn't qualify you either.

    she had her chance, and she lost. she needs to go away and get over it.
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

  14. #14
    Elite Member viggofan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    1,751

    Default

    I personally can't stand Hillary but I have a question.... what would stop her from running as an independent? Would her chances of winning be better to get elected as there are many out there who don't really want Obama or McCain? just asking.
    YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT
    (M. Jagger/K. Richards)

  15. #15
    Elite Member kingcap72's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    10 miles from Pootie Tang
    Posts
    21,909

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Jerry Brown did not have anywhere near 50% of the popular vote. Also, lets try to remember one thing, even if BO carries every single state he won during the primaries, there is no electoral math that will secure him the general election. The big electoral powerhouse states were all Clinton Country. If you want the Clinton supporters to get behind BO, and you are not threatened by HRC, then what is the harm of letting her name be entered at the convention? Or are the Obama-nation afraid that if they do, her 50% might become 51% and she wins the nomination? Frankly, for most of our nations history, the nomination was decided at the convention, whether through floor fights or whatever. I personally just want the most qualified person steering the ship. One year in the senate seems mightly light to think you're qualified to be President. On the job training of the underqualified didn't work out so well the last 8 years. Given the mess Idiot43 has made of our country, it's going to take someone who knows what they are doing to clean it up. Just my opinion.
    First off, I have no problem with Hillary entering her name at the convention. And considering that Obama is the presumptive nominee, Hillary isn't a threat to that. Bottom line, Obama has more delegates, pledged delegates and super-delegates, so Hillary getting the nomination is a pipe dream. That handwriting was on the wall a long time ago.

    Second, I wish Hillary supporters would stop trying to paint Obama as some kid with no political experience, and Hillary as the great experienced politician. Obama has more experience as a real POLITICIAN than Hillary has. He's been in the Senate for over three years, and was in the Illinois state senate for seven years prior to that. Prior to Hillary's six or so years in the senate she was a politician's wife, not a politician. And no matter how much some people may like to think that being married to a president qualifies you to be president, it does not.

    Third, Obama has been bending over backwards to appease Hillary supporters. But the fact is, some Hillary supporters won't be satisfied no matter what Obama does because he's not Hillary. I mean, there are Hillary supporters out there who believe that Obama didn't win the nomination, but that he stole it from Hillary, as if it was her's by right. Which is ridiculous.

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack Obama grew up a Muslim
    By Incognito in forum U.S. Politics and Issues
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: June 17th, 2008, 04:32 PM
  2. Replies: 18
    Last Post: June 6th, 2008, 05:37 AM
  3. Senator Barack Obama finally seals Democratic nomination
    By Laurent in forum U.S. Politics and Issues
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: June 5th, 2008, 08:28 AM
  4. Time for Barack Obama to lose Tony McPeak
    By witchcurlgirl in forum U.S. Politics and Issues
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: March 27th, 2008, 05:25 PM
  5. Barack Obama wins Wisconsin; Wis. exit poll: Obama with broad backing
    By january in forum U.S. Politics and Issues
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: February 20th, 2008, 09:43 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •