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    Bush likens Iraq to postwar Japan

    By Donald Lambro
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    December 22, 2005

    President Bush continued his aggressive defense of the war in Iraq yesterday, warning that the "terrorists still want to hit us again" and comparing democracy building in Baghdad to Japan's transformation after World War II.

    At the same time, Mr. Bush sharpened his criticism of Senate Democrats, who until a deal was reached last night, had been blocking an extension of the Patriot Act.

    The president charged that a failure to renew the act, which the Senate did last night, would have weakened the country's ability to defend itself against "brutal killers."

    In remarks at the White House and the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, where he handed out medals to wounded Marines, Mr. Bush stepped up his defense of the U.S. military's role in Iraq in campaign-style rhetoric that Republican officials say has boosted his job-approval poll numbers by 10 points in the last month.

    Recalling his father's World War II service as a Navy pilot, Mr. Bush told a gathering of naval medical personnel that Japan's postwar transformation into a U.S. ally was being repeated in Iraq.

    "One of my predecessors, Harry Truman, recognized the power of freedom to transform an enemy into an ally. That's what happened. Japan adopted a Japanese-style democracy and ... democracies don't fight each other," Mr. Bush said.

    Earlier yesterday, in his strongest attack on Senate Democrats since they began filibustering the Patriot Act's reauthorization, the president singled out Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, whom he said had "recently boasted about killing the Patriot Act."

    "This obstruction is inexcusable," Mr. Bush said.

    "The senators obstructing the Patriot Act need to understand that the expiration of this vital law will endanger America and will leave us in a weaker position in the fight against brutal killers," he said.

    Since the Iraq war, the president has made it a Christmas season practice to visit troops recovering from injuries at area military hospitals, and yesterday he spent several hours going from bed to bed in the center's intensive-care unit, awarding Purple Hearts.

    "What we're seeing today is brave troops and committed citizens who are not only determined to chase down the killers and bring them to justice before they hurt us again, but understand that by spreading freedom and democracy, we're battling an ideology of darkness with an ideology of hope," he said.

    The president's continued focus yesterday on Iraq and the war on terrorism played to issues that his political advisers and Republican Party chairmen around the country credit for the latest surge in his job-approval numbers.

    "The speeches he's given recently explaining his policies on Iraq have been very effective. He's taking his message directly to the people, and it's had an impact," Wisconsin's Republican state chairman, Richard Graber, said yesterday.

    "I hear it in the heartland. I talk to the activists, and people are saying, 'Keep swinging, Mr. President,'?" he said.

    Mr. Bush's rise in the polls "is good news," said Ohio Republican Chairman Bob Bennett. "The president is focusing Americans on the reasons why we're in Iraq. He's been very forceful recently, reinforcing the message of why we're there and what's at stake."

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    He's rising in the polls? I still dislike the man with a passion. And i don't think he understands half the things that come out of his mouth.
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    Why the uk would he be rising in the polls? What has he done that has been anything but bafoonish?

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    I'd like to see Bush swinging, but from a rope around his neck.
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    According to Japan-online.com, the American occupation of post-war
    Japan began in 1945 and ended in September 1952. It is impressive
    how they built an enviable and lasting society in Japan...without
    warring factions or religions to create civil strife.

    How many different sects of Islam are in Iraq...there are Shi'ites...
    Sunnis (Saddam's faction)...the Kurdish element...I could go on,
    but the point is clear: whatever the Americans build in Iraq will
    soon be fought over when they leave, and I believe more secretive
    massacres (like Fallujah) will be conducted in order to facilitate
    some illusion of coherent co-existence.

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    Japan, culturally, is and was nothing like Iraq... they're an incredibly cohesive people, even more as an empire at the end of a shattering war. Considering that, all by themselves, they managed to turn their society from a feudal/agrarian warrior based one into a fully technological and advanced society in less than 100 years with no ill effects speaks volumes for their discipline and strength.

    Bush is a moron with a chimps grasp of history.
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    Very well said Grimms.
    I wasn't sure whether I should, as a Japanese citizen, feel insulted by Bush's comparison of these two countries or not...

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    I would. The only thing that stopped Japan from wiping out the USA was the stranglehold the US had on their fuel shipping lanes, which is why they bombed Pearl Harbor in the first place.

    Technologically, the Japanese were years ahead of the Americans on a lot of fronts.. Zero fighters which were faster, and much more manoeverable than the Mustangs, brutal and efficient fighting forces on well armed and fast ships...and a lack of fear concerning death, combined with a poets grace and poise.

    Scary stuff, but also fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    I would. The only thing that stopped Japan from wiping out the USA was the stranglehold the US had on their fuel shipping lanes, which is why they bombed Pearl Harbor in the first place.

    Technologically, the Japanese were years ahead of the Americans on a lot of fronts.. Zero fighters which were faster, and much more manoeverable than the Mustangs, brutal and efficient fighting forces on well armed and fast ships...and a lack of fear concerning death, combined with a poets grace and poise.

    Scary stuff, but also fascinating.
    Japan was doomed from the start...The smart ones knew it from the beginning when they acknowledged that they had awakened a sleeping giant. Declaring war on a country with unlimited human and natural resources(at that time) and industrial production 16 times your own was suicidal. Once it was started Japan's defeat was inevitable...it was only a matter of time...even with the destruction of the naval forces what were they going to do..sue for peace? as if that would have been accepted. The US would have just bided it's time and increased it's war material(look at the production in 1945) until it could strike back. What was Japan going to do? Invade? They were doomed as soon as they struck Pearl harbor. Nuff said.

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    Japans population was far larger than the US, and with the annexation of most of the south pacific and a good chunk of china, they had massive war capability.. what they didn't have in any great supply was fuel, which the Americans choked off causing them to strike early. No fuel, no tanks and planes, and no war. That's why they went after Pearl Harbor, to sink the US pacific fleet and render fuel-choking capability to zero. Unfortunately, they didn't manage to hit the shipyards, the fuel depots, or much of the infrastructure associated with fleet maintenance, and called off the last wave which would have finished the job.

    Had they succeeded, the Japanese would have had a foothold on American territory and an island chain from which to launch attacks, and the war would have turned out quite differently in a lot of ways.

    Smugness was what cost the US their pacific fleet.
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    ^^The Japanese population itself was below that of the US-and considerably so. i would not consider any occupied populations as actually contributing to the war effort-many were doing everything possible to disrupt the Japanese war effort. If the Japanese would have left the US alone and had attacked Singapore, Hong Kong, Borneo(lots of oil there) French IndoChina, and even Australia the US would not have declared war. We didn't even declare war when the mother countries were attacked by Germany in Europe:there is no way we would have declared war if we had not been attacked-the nation was too divided. The US industrial capacity and ability to put all of it's resources together was far, far greater than that of the Japanese-our GDP was light years ahead of theirs. Our smugness may have cost us some of our fleet-Japanese arrogance and hubris cost them the war, and left them for a while a conquered and occupied land.

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    The US was already choking off their oil lanes in the south pacific, why do you think they attacked in the first place?
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    Boy did he pull this one out of his ass. Are his speech writers on strike or something? he's really been popping out some doozies lately.
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