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    Quote Originally Posted by missjuicy View Post
    parents do not reinforce what is learned in school. so even when teachers do their jobs correctly, students will forget it bc no one reinforces the concepts....students memorize and move on. my history class got pretty good scores on this, i was proud bc i taught it last yr and they remember haah
    the standardized tests that are focused on, pretty much guarantee that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    shut the fuck up? yeah, that's gonna happen. And sugar, if I were a bitch at you at every fucking opportunity, you'd have killed yourself by now. *here's another face palm for you*
    "Aborigines" has one e, by the way - and I think you mean "designate". Before you harp on about generalisations in one breath and then make insinuated insults against Australians in another, check the spelling and stuff."
    How 'bout you go fuck yourself? I wasn't making an insinuated insult against Australians (and not because I know some or have any as "friends") but I see that you DID cleverly get the point. Why don't you try being 20 for another year, mmkay sweet cheeks?
    Actually, let me quote myself here and say that I probably did misunderstand your post, Katerpillar. And you followed by misunderstanding mine. Perception can be unclear on the internet. The "Aborigines" comment was meant to show how Australians are sometimes judged the same way people in the south are. So, yeah - generalising = bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    Actually, let me quote myself here and say that I probably did misunderstand your post, Katerpillar. And you followed by misunderstanding mine. Perception can be unclear on the internet. The "Aborigines" comment was meant to show how Australians are sometimes judged the same way people in the south are. So, yeah - generalising = bad.
    Yes, yes it is. Which is why my original little sarcastic comment was under Fluffy's post. I was trying to point out the idiocy of comments about "the USA splitting apart" and all that crap. So I hardly deserved for you to jump down my throat.

    I'm going to sleep now because it's 2.30 am here but seriously, it'd be nice you could all avoid another civil war breaking out, ok? Think of me as a UN peacekeeper (I'm about as effective...). The South has cute accents and the North has NYC. You're both awesome. Neither is stupid. The end. Have a big group hug and then go and tease Canada.

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    .. because the south and it's nutball denizens never do ANYTHING to shed light on the idea that a good chunk of southern christians are stupid nutjobs.. nope, it's a totally unfounded rumor, devoid of any factual basis...

    wait... which states get the most federal transfer cash.. highest divorce rates.. lowest education rates.. highest teen pregnancy rates.. lowest test score rates.... uhhuh.

    Just ignore all that...
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    It does bear pointing out that many Southern states, Texas and Oklahoma in particular, are enacting, or attempting to enact, wacky textbook requirements:
    On Friday, November 5, the Oklahoma State Textbook Committee, which is charged with approving textbooks for the state's 540 school districts, voted to require publishers to affix a disclaimer to any science book that discusses the theory of evolution. The committee's decision is not subject to review by any other state agency, including the State Board of Education, and the only way individual districts could avoid using the sticker would be to purchase textbooks without state assistance.

    The text of the disclaimer is identical to that adopted by the Alabama State Board of Education in 1996.

    While Republicans are busy gnashing their teeth over President Obama's imminent indoctrination of the nation's schoolchildren, there's an education story bubbling up in Texas that could have considerably more far-reaching consequences.

    The GOP-controlled State Board of Education is working on a new set of statewide textbook standards for, among other subjects, U.S. History Studies Since Reconstruction. And it turns out what the board decides may end up having implications far beyond the Lone Star State.

    The first draft of the standards, released at the end of July, is a doozy. It lays out a kind of Human Events version of U.S. history.

    Approved textbooks, the standards say, must teach the Texan student to "identify significant conservative advocacy organizations and individuals, such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly, and the Moral Majority." No analogous liberal figures or groups are required, prompting protests from some legislators and committee members. (Read an excerpt here.)

    The standards on Nixon: "describe Richard M. Nixon's role in the normalization of relations with China and the policy of detente."

    On Reagan: "describe Ronald Reagan's role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength." (That's it.)

    The Cold War section is rendered as "U.S. responses to Soviet aggression after World War II ... "

    The state board of education, made up of 10 Republicans and five Democrats, has to vote on the standards twice in the coming months before they would go into effect.

    Comments in the margin of the draft explain the proposed changes. And a persistent, tendentious conservative voice comes through throughout. Next to the section listing key names and groups from the civil rights movement and 60s activism, including Martin Luther King, Betty Friedan, and the American Indian Movement, it's noted that a committee member demanded parity ... for late 20th century conservative groups:
    MV[Multiple Views]: One person: inclusion of 7 names and organizations disproportionate compared to only 3 in conservative section.
    Next to a noncontroversial seeming item requiring students to "describe how McCarthyism, the arms race, and the space race increased Cold War tensions" is the note:
    "MV[Multiple Views]: One member thinks that if McCarthyism is noted, then the Venona papers need to be explained that exonerates him."

    A bullet point on "women and minority employment" as an economic effect of World II caused "one member" to gripe "there is too much emphasis on multiculturalism."


    And "one member" deemed a section on "effective leadership" a perfect place to bring to students' attention Charlton Heston's celebrated (among right-wingers) culture war speech.

    The Christian right is making a fresh push to force religion onto the school curriculum in Texas with the state's education board about to consider recommendations that children be taught that there would be no United States if it had not been for God.

    Members of a panel of experts appointed by the board to revise the state's history curriculum, who include a Christian fundamentalist preacher who says he is fighting a war for America's moral soul, want lessons to emphasise the part played by Christianity in the founding of the US and that religion is a civic virtue.

    Opponents have decried the move as an attempt to insert religious teachings in to the classroom by stealth, similar to the Christian right's partially successful attempt to limit the teaching of evolution in biology lessons in Texas.

    One of the panel, David Barton, founder of a Christian heritage group called WallBuilders, argues that the curriculum should reflect the fact that the US Constitution was written with God in mind including that "there is a fixed moral law derived from God and nature", that "there is a creator" and "government exists primarily to protect God-given rights to every individual".

    Barton says children should be taught that Christianity is the key to "American exceptionalism"
    because the structure of its democratic system is a recognition that human beings are fallible, and that religion is at the heart of being a virtuous citizen.

    Another point of debate: they are considering removing Cesar Chavez, Neil Armstrong and others from Texas textbooks:

    As for the anti-astronaut efforts, maybe it's the fact that by its very existence as a government agency, NASA is a publicly-funded, dare-I-say Socialist program. I sense their fear: was Armstrong sent to the moon to try and start a socialist, government-funded space colony?

    In their defense, the TEA name-unnamers in question claim that kids these days are just required to learn about too many prominent people. Too many good Americans doing too much good stuff! If we can't stop the do-gooding, maybe we can just keep other people from finding out about it.

    Other famous folks potentially soon-to-be-stricken from the historical record, as taught by our Texas textbooks? Carl Sagan, Colin Powell, Nathan Hale, Eugene Debs, John Steinbeck and Mother Teresa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katerpillar View Post
    Yes, yes it is. Which is why my original little sarcastic comment was under Fluffy's post. I was trying to point out the idiocy of comments about "the USA splitting apart" and all that crap. So I hardly deserved for you to jump down my throat.

    I'm going to sleep now because it's 2.30 am here but seriously, it'd be nice you could all avoid another civil war breaking out, ok? Think of me as a UN peacekeeper (I'm about as effective...). The South has cute accents and the North has NYC. You're both awesome. Neither is stupid. The end. Have a big group hug and then go and tease Canada.
    Ah, but you see, until I realized Fluffy had quoted me, Fluffy was on ignore & promptly after a response to Fluffy, I put it back on ignore due to many posts ... sooooo I didn't see Fluffy's under yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    .. because the south and it's nutball denizens never do ANYTHING to shed light on the idea that a good chunk of southern christians are stupid nutjobs.. nope, it's a totally unfounded rumor, devoid of any factual basis...

    wait... which states get the most federal transfer cash.. highest divorce rates.. lowest education rates.. highest teen pregnancy rates.. lowest test score rates.... uhhuh.

    Just ignore all that...
    define "good chunk". it's always the crazies that make the news, the rest of us just sit around saying "what was that aboot?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    It does bear pointing out that many Southern states, Texas and Oklahoma in particular, are enacting, or attempting to enact, wacky textbook requirements:
    Stop with the facts Cali. Some people would rather keep on whistling Dixie than admit that the South has a shit load of problems that other states try to tackle.

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    The entire US is a cluster fuck. Say what you want and generalize but in the end you really don't know shit about what I may or may not be doing in my state to fix what I see as problems. It would not be okay to make these generalizations about other races, genders, or nationalities but it is okay to say this about a geographical region? Fuck that shit. Yay, you get to be right!!!!! An entire region of the US is fucked, does that give you a warm fuzzy? JFC what is your point?
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    That there's plenty of people in the South that would institute a Christian theocracy in a heartbeat since I was commenting on Cali's post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseguy View Post
    So, who is being ignorant and closeminded here??
    Honestly, Wiseguy, I get your point. But I think you need to develop a thicker skin for these boards - I don't mean this to be condescending, I'm actually trying to be helpful. I used to bristle a bit when people insinuated that all people that believe in God, or Christians specifically, must be stupid - especially after I just would state that I'm a Christian But to be honest, the people in the news who represent themselves as "Christians" do us no favors! Same thing for people in the South, sadly. Its just fact - I facepalm every time I see a stupid Christian and their stupid hate-mongering rhetoric. But I think you need to realize that for all their posturing, people here on this board don't sincerely believe EVERY Christian or EVERY southerner is an idiot - just the majority So chin up and realize that you represent a small fraction of non-idiotic Christians - at least thats what I tell myself! Hopefully I can get at least a few people to think differently - just try to kill them with kindness. And take a few deep breaths.
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    people here on this board don't sincerely believe EVERY Christian or EVERY southerner is an idiot - just the majority
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    Ah, but you see, until I realized Fluffy had quoted me, Fluffy was on ignore & promptly after a response to Fluffy, I put it back on ignore due to many posts ... sooooo I didn't see Fluffy's under yours
    Then check, next time.

    ARGH! Seriously! January, that's a pathetic cop out if I've ever heard one. Going "people here on this board don't sincerely believe EVERY Christian or EVERY southerner is an idiot - just the majority" is basically just code for "yeah, they're prejudiced but don't even have the balls to admit it". People shouldn't even think like that. Instead of seeing something and thinking "Ha, dumbass Southerner!" or "Idiotic Christian!" they should just think that individual is a moron.

    Defining idividuals by the group they belong to is still generalising. It ultimately hurts the whole group too, including the "good ones". No one should ever have to feel embarrassed by association when they see someone who happens to share their religion or nationality, or whatever, do something prominently stupid/evil.

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    Katerpillar, the South has earned its reputation. It's not just people in "the North" who talk derisively about the South. It's all over the country. Take a look at what Cali posted just above, there's plenty of Christians in Minnesota and Washington state that would never resort to that shit.

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