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Reply With QuoteThere are those who believe Hillary would be easier to beat than Obama. So, seeing some sort of skeevy alliance between Hildabeast and McInsane wouldn't surprise me. McInsane, is after all, a liberal lover.
Hillary's campaign guru also has McCain as a client, destroying Obama is the goal
Well isn't that interesting.As has been widely reported, Hillary Clinton's top guru, Mark Penn, is leading the charge within the Clinton campaign to go aggressively negative against Obama. Besides the fact that Penn is the architect responsible for Hillary's presidential aspirations going from "inevitable" to being on life support, he is reportedly obsessed with destroying Obama. While it is understandable that Clinton's top adviser wants his client to win at all costs, going massively negative against Obama (or Hillary for that matter) risks damaging our candidate in the fall election against McCain. Unfortunately, this is something another "client" would welcome. That client is named John McCain.
Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a DC public relations (PR) firm. Burson-Marsteller owns a subsidiary, BKSH. BKSH is run by Charlie Black. Black is a longtime Republican politico, and a top adviser for John McCain for President. And, as Think Progress notes, while Black is a volunteer on the McCain campaign, he views Mcain as his client and continues to take a paycheck from BKSH. JedReport dissected these relationships in a diary on DailyKos last night. And, Ari Berman wrote about this last spring:
A host of prominent Republicans fall under Penn's purview. B-M's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, a leading GOP operative who maintains close ties to the White House, including Karl Rove, and was a partner with Lee Atwater, the consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign for George H.W. Bush in 1988. In recent years Black's clients have included the likes of Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi, the darling of the neocon right in the run-up to the war; Lockheed Martin; and Occidental Petroleum. In 2005 he landed a contract with the Lincoln Group, the disgraced PR firm that covertly placed US military propaganda in Iraqi news outlets.
Black is only one cannon in B-M's Republican arsenal.
Penn works for Clinton.
Black works for McCain.
And Black works for Penn.
Keep this in mind as you read some of the guiding principles for Penn's and Black's firm, courtesy of the Burson-Marsteller website:
# We, the directors and employees of all companies in WPP recognize our obligations to all who have a stake in our success including shareowners, clients, employees, and suppliers;...
# We will not for personal or family gain directly or indirectly engage in any activity which competes with companies within WPP or with our obligations to any such company;
# We will not have any personal or family conflicts of interest within our businesses or with our suppliers or other third parties with whom we do business;
So, again, we have to ask: Why is Mark Penn on a mission to destroy Obama? It's clear that Penn benefits if Hillary wins -- she's his client, his firm's client. His company benefits if McCain wins -- he's the client of one of Penn's top employees. Penn has an obligation to his shareholders and clients. And his firm seems to have clients on both sides of the aisle, on both sides of this fight. If Obama wins the presidency, Penn gets nothing. He was helping the other guy, or gal. But if McCain wins, Penn's firm has one hell of a contact with the new president - heck, one of his top employees had the new president as a client and didn't even charge him! Is it a conflict of interest? Not with his clients. But how about with the Democratic party and our interests?
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There are those who believe Hillary would be easier to beat than Obama. So, seeing some sort of skeevy alliance between Hildabeast and McInsane wouldn't surprise me. McInsane, is after all, a liberal lover.
Love is in the air... At least with these two, I'm sure.
McCain is still bitterly angry that GWB beat his ass in 2000. He has held a grudge ever since, and as revenge, has gone against GWB on most issues. Considering that McCain actually considered being John Kerry's running mate in 2004... well, that's all I need to know about him.
McCain is out for McCain. He isn't any different than any other career politician.
Oh pfft, McCain made a good SHOW of going against Bush but never actually did.
Remember that anti-torture bill McCain tabled? Bush wrote one of those signing statements to it, which said he didn't have to listen to it.
Did McCain make a peep? Nope.
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lol 'hildabeast'
i like hill but that's funny
I'm open to everything. When you start to criticise the times you live in, your time is over. - Karl Lagerfeld
That's one bill, Grimm. On a whole, McCain has been labeled 'maverick' by the MSM and democrats. To republicans and conservatives, he's a RINO (republican in name only). The man sponsored campaign finance reform, which essentially began the destruction of the first amendment. His alleged immigration plan (back door amnesty), surprisingly supported by many republicans, put him in the crosshairs of thousands of Americans who made their voices heard- and not just republicans. You may see a republican just because he has an R behind his name. I don't.Originally Posted by Grimmlok
And if you think Bush is dumb, McCain thought Putin was the President of Germany. This from a man who has several years of experience in foreign policy making.
McCain may have a decent lifetime ACL rating, but in the past ten years, he has drifted further and further to the left. Like Janet Jackson said, 'what have you done for me lately?'
Not a damn thing worth noting, John. And I am not voting for you.
To the left?
Pfft.
The destruction of the 1st ammendment, along with Habeus Corpus, the Geneva Conventions, and backing out of tons of treaties was and continues to be a right-wing cause. They're the ones pushing for corporate fascism.
Secondly, who benefits from illegal migrants? Big business, most notably the food industry, citrus and the like. They have massively powerful lobbies in washington and have many a repub int heir pocket, just like oil.
McCain is no maverick. He has the 'illusion' of being so. It's a facade. He's a repub first, and batshit second.
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Exactly. McCain would have a better shot at beating Hillary than Obama. Leave it to Hillary to not realize that whatever tactics that this guy Penn uses against Obama, is just a taste of what he would use against her if she gets the nomination.
But I'm glad this is happening, because the more negative that Hillary's camp goes against Obama, the more her campaign suffers and loses ground. For all of Hillary's 35 years of 'experience' she continues to use bad judgement, just like she did when she voted for the war.
Grimm, first of all, you're wrong about eh Patriot Act. The Dems are equally responsible for it. Don't blame republicans only. Do you know what CFR means? It means that an average citizen like myself can not publish an ad of any kind after a certain date. It means I, as an American citizen, can not criticize or question a political candidate. And when you restrict my speech, you have taken away my right, guaranteed by the first amendment. Yes, I blame Bush, and McCain, and Fiengold for this. But I blame all of congress and the SCOTUS for raping the one freedom, the most important thing our founding father's wanted, and that's the right to speak out against the government freely.
Two, big business is NOT the reason for illegals. It isn't McDonald's, or GM waiting at the local Home Depot to take day laborers. It's small businesses that are fostering the illegal boom. From construction to landscaping, etc., these businesses fall under the radar because they aren't as likely to be scrutinized by the government.
Thirdly, Grimm. I know you live in Canada and hate all republicans, but you really need to examine McCain's record. He is not a republican let alone a consecrative. Just because someone may agree with a Bush policy or two does not make them a republican. If that were the case, Hillary and many other democrats would be considered repubs based on your generalities alone. And republicans would NEVER consider being the vice president to an unbashed liberal like John Kerry.
Fourth, if McCain were truly a republican, why is then that the major conservative/republican pundits such as Rush, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc. are rallying AGAINST McCain? And don't start slamming them either. I know where your hatred lies with them as well. It speaks volumes when people eat their own... and that's why this is so huge: because McCain isn't 'their own'.
The point I'm making to you, Grimm, is as much as you want to say he's just like Bush, or any other republican (and I am not a Bush fan right now either), he is not.
If you want to see his liberal voting record, I'll post it for you.
That scores him points in my book....anything Rush Limbaugh is against is ok with me
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^^ But you're not a republican, are you? If someone like Rush not liking him makes an independent shift toward considering McCain, then it proves Rush and the others are right. If McCain were really a bona fide republican, you wouldn't vote for him.
I'll blame congress right along with you, however before the Dem "win" in 2006 I'd have to look a bit more closely at the available vote power in the house and senate on the Dem side to see if they COULD actually do anything.
erm, didn't shrubbo shove through a few right wing nutjob judges? the ones against "judicial activism" until it somehow benefited them?But I blame all of congress and the SCOTUS for raping the one freedom, the most important thing our founding father's wanted, and that's the right to speak out against the government freely.
LOl tell that to the citrus growers, or the hospitality industry, or the produce growersTwo, big business is NOT the reason for illegals. It isn't McDonald's, or GM waiting at the local Home Depot to take day laborers. It's small businesses that are fostering the illegal boom. From construction to landscaping, etc., these businesses fall under the radar because they aren't as likely to be scrutinized by the government.
He's not liberal either, no lib would rip apart constitutional freedoms or pander so indelicately to Bush. He does the latter because he wants power, or has some fucked up version of stockholm sydnrome. Bush can kick him around all he wants because McCain will always come back to suck his dick.Thirdly, Grimm. I know you live in Canada and hate all republicans, but you really need to examine McCain's record. He is not a republican let alone a consecrative. Just because someone may agree with a Bush policy or two does not make them a republican. If that were the case, Hillary and many other democrats would be considered repubs based on your generalities alone. And republicans would NEVER consider being the vice president to an unbashed liberal like John Kerry.
Fourth, if McCain were truly a republican, why is then that the major conservative/republican pundits such as Rush, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, etc. are rallying AGAINST McCain? And don't start slamming them either.
Rush Limbaugh? You don't want me to slam him?? that drug addicted, hypocritical fatheaded gasbag? How about Malkin, that fascist, psychotic whore who advocates FOR concentration camps? No, can't imagine why I'd be critical of them....
I harbor my own suspicions on that. Probably not fascist enough for their taste (and their taste runs to the batshit exotic brand), but just fascist enough for me to revile him.I know where your hatred lies with them as well. It speaks volumes when people eat their own... and that's why this is so huge: because McCain isn't 'their own'.
In any way he's not, I can probably point out some way that any "maverick" vote somehow benefits him. He's unscrupulous, in many ways mroeso than Bush himself. Bush is stupid and evil, but McCain will take anything that helps him and his crazy scheme.The point I'm making to you, Grimm, is as much as you want to say he's just like Bush, or any other republican (and I am not a Bush fan right now either), he is not.
If you want to see his liberal voting record, I'll post it for you.
How about his ENTIRE voting record?
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
How do you know who I would vote for?
I'm an Independant, and have not been in any party since 1995, unlike many of the "newly independant". I voted for Ron Paul in my state primary. I won't be voting for McCain in the general election. My vote is going to whichever of the Dems gets in.
The fact that Rush Limbaugh is a disgusting asshole has nothing to with being a Dem or a Repub.
All of God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
You can view his entire voting record here:
Project Vote Smart - Senator John Sidney McCain III - Voting Record
But, I don't think you'll see what many republicans and conservatives see.
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