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    Default Hillary Clinton considers garnishing wages to ensure universal health care


    WASHINGTON (AP) Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans. The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

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    universal healthcare is usually paid by taxes taken out when you get paid, so yeah.. duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    universal healthcare is usually paid by taxes taken out when you get paid, so yeah.. duh.

    True, but why should we have to pay for someone elses health care? kind of like why do we have to pay for someone elses retirement. So I guess it makes sense.

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    Not really, universal healthcare serves YOU as well, so a hospital trip doesn't cost 25 thousand dollars and you don't end up bankrupt.

    I'd rather pay into THAT than some ripoff HMO who tries to fuck you over when the time comes to pay for something you need.

    I'll never understand the ridiculous insistence that any kind of communal program that helps everybody at a lower cost is intrinsically evil when compared to the LACK OF CARE or usurous premiums you'll pay otherwise.
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    Um we ALL NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR. So to say "I don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare is a little retarded if you are using it too, it's a pool just like regular health insurance.

    Hill's is gonna fuck this one up big time. She's tricking people is what she's doing. I'm 100% for universal healthcare, but what Hillary is trying to do (and I've read up on this cause it's really important to me) is to:

    Force people to be insured, so basically make it the law that you have to cover yourself with insurance. By doing so it becomes by default "universal healthcare".

    So for people like me this would mean serious serious problems. I am uninsurable. For me to buy private insurance I have to buy it through a health insurance pool for the uninsurable and I don't even want to tell you how much it costs, even if I stop paying my mortgage I can't afford it.

    My kids are covered and my husband is not. His employer is very small and cannot afford employee health insurance.

    So Hillary is scamming big time. Making it the law to have health insurance is not the same as universal healthcare.

    Universal healthcare means we all get the same coverage, we can all go to the doctor whether we wash dishes for a living, drive a truck, wait tables, work in a cubicle or suck dick.

    We all pay in a percentage, and it gets a cap so that people making uber bucks don't end up paying WAY MORE than anyone else just because they are wealthy.

    We have the means, and it can be done. It should be done. It's the only humane answer to this FOR PROFIT healthcare nightmare.

    It's pure 100% bullshit that some people get to go to the doctor and some people don't.

    Not everyone can work for Microsoft and Starbucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post
    True, but why should we have to pay for someone else's health care?
    Your comment is bit harsh. Unless you are superwealthy, every one in this country has the potential to be adversely affected by our health care crisis.

    There are people in this country who can't get affordable coverage because they took prozac for a few months to get through a bad divorce. This actually happened to a friend of mine! Or what if you or a loved one come down with a catastrophic disease and meet your lifetime plan cap? You're SOL and not touchable by another insurance company with a 10 foot pole due to a serious pre-existing condition. This could and does happen to people like you and me everyday. Prior to this subprime mess, I believe the main reason for bankruptcy in this country was medical expenses.

    These people are not slackers. It's the middle class who are being affected by this health care crisis. They are hard working people who have paid their taxes and have supported others through our entitlement system. Remember, many of the poor have Medicaid so their basic medical needs are met.

    Unfortunately, I think we're all going to have to chip in to fix/bandaid health care. I have no idea what that will entail. I can't see there being any changes in how the for profit health insurance companies do business. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Um we ALL NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR. So to say "I don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare is a little retarded if you are using it too, it's a pool just like regular health insurance.

    Hill's is gonna fuck this one up big time. She's tricking people is what she's doing. I'm 100% for universal healthcare, but what Hillary is trying to do (and I've read up on this cause it's really important to me) is to:

    Force people to be insured, so basically make it the law that you have to cover yourself with insurance. By doing so it becomes by default "universal healthcare".

    So for people like me this would mean serious serious problems. I am uninsurable. For me to buy private insurance I have to buy it through a health insurance pool for the uninsurable and I don't even want to tell you how much it costs, even if I stop paying my mortgage I can't afford it.

    My kids are covered and my husband is not. His employer is very small and cannot afford employee health insurance.

    So Hillary is scamming big time. Making it the law to have health insurance is not the same as universal healthcare.

    Universal healthcare means we all get the same coverage, we can all go to the doctor whether we wash dishes for a living, drive a truck, wait tables, work in a cubicle or suck dick.

    We all pay in a percentage, and it gets a cap so that people making uber bucks don't end up paying WAY MORE than anyone else just because they are wealthy.

    We have the means, and it can be done. It should be done. It's the only humane answer to this FOR PROFIT healthcare nightmare.

    It's pure 100% bullshit that some people get to go to the doctor and some people don't.

    Not everyone can work for Microsoft and Starbucks.
    You know nothing about me. I go to the dr. every four years to have my iron levels checked. No serious illness run in my family outiside of those that we bring on ourselves. So I dont ever go to the doctor. Oustide of 50 bucks every four years, that is the extent of my doctor visits.

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    No matter what is done, it won't work 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darksithbunny View Post
    No matter what is done, it won't work 100%.
    I agree. Part of the problem is our market driven economy of which healthcare is a big part. No way the government is going to dismantle the for profit health care system. The insurance companies and big pharma are too powerful.

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    [quote=snpage2001;1030963]You know nothing about me. I go to the dr. every four years to have my iron levels checked. No serious illness run in my family outiside of those that we bring on ourselves. quote]

    Well as awesome and neat as that sounds, you'll probably be smacked down with cancer or something. And I don't want to know anything nor did I claim to know anything about you. I do know that all humans need medical care, even your healthier than thou ass.

    I'm really glad you think you have total control over your health. Good luck with that.

    Not everyone causes their medical problems. Last time I checked you can't catch mental illness.

    You may not realize this, but in America you pay for many things you don't use already. There is fire and 911 taxes on your phone bill whether you call on a regular basis or not, you have to pay taxes on your wages in case you draw unemployment, and medicare, when you buy gas there are taxes to pay for roads (most you don't even drive on) and on it goes.

    If you rarely need medical care you are an exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    I agree. Part of the problem is our market driven economy of which healthcare is a big part. No way the government is going to dismantle the for profit health care system. The insurance companies and big pharma are too powerful.
    I am worried that the quality of health care will be affected.

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    Do we pay for illegal immigrants too?

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    Hillary's plan sounds terrible, and quality of care is a legitimate fear.

    I too fear there is no real answer here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darksithbunny View Post
    I am worried that the quality of health care will be affected.
    Agreed. From what I've read, universal health care in Canada is hardly perfect and involves super long wait times for surgeries and such. I am not Canadian and might be reading disinformation pieces from the U.S. Healthcare lobbies.

    Grimmlok, can you enlighten on the Canadian system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post

    Well as awesome and neat as that sounds, you'll probably be smacked down with cancer or something. And I don't want to know anything nor did I claim to know anything about you. I do know that all humans need medical care, even your healthier than thou ass.

    I'm really glad you think you have total control over your health. Good luck with that.

    Not everyone causes their medical problems. Last time I checked you can't catch mental illness.

    You may not realize this, but in America you pay for many things you don't use already. There is fire and 911 taxes on your phone bill whether you call on a regular basis or not, you have to pay taxes on your wages in case you draw unemployment, and medicare, when you buy gas there are taxes to pay for roads (most you don't even drive on) and on it goes.

    If you rarely need medical care you are an exception.
    I am black. My grandmothers lived to their 80s, My grandfathers were heavy drinkers and died in their early 70s. I dont generally trust doctors. My point is that If I feel that something doesnt agree with my belief system I should be able to opt out. Be it religion, health care. Not all progarams are mutually exclusive. Not all programs are going to benefit everyone. I guess that is why I am not a socialist.

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