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    Default Bush won't be attacking N. Korea

    Bush calls North Korea’s nuclear test a ‘threat’

    President: U.S. remains committed to diplomacy but reserves ‘all options’

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    WASHINGTON - President Bush on Wednesday urged “serious repercussions” for North Korea’s reported nuclear test, but said the United States remained committed to diplomacy and had no intention of attacking.
    “This claim itself constitutes a threat to international peace and stability,” Bush said at a news conference. “In response to North Korea’s actions we’re working with our partners in the region and the United Nations Security Council to ensure there are serious repercussions for the regime in Pyongyang.”
    Bush said the United States remains committed to diplomacy, but also “reserves all options to defend our friends in the region.”

    He also vowed increased military cooperation with allies, including bolstering ballistic missile defenses in the region and increased efforts to prevent Pyongyang from importing missile and nuclear technology.
    As Bush spoke, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan urged the United States to hold one-on-one talks with North Korea, something the U.S. has refused to do.
    Bush rejected criticism from Democrats that his administration had not paid enough attention to the brewing North Korean nuclear crisis, saying that Pyongyang had turned its back on a 1994 deal negotiated by the Clinton administration.
    “It is the intransigence of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Il, that led to the current situation, he said.


    ‘It didn’t work in the past’


    As to direct talks with North Korea, as the U.N. secretary general and many other diplomats have urged, Bush suggested that direct Clinton administration contacts with the communist regime showed they were unprofitable.


    "It didn’t work in the past. ... I learned a lesson from that. You have a better diplomatic hand with others sending the message,” Bush said. He supports a resumption of six-way talks among North Korea, South Korea, China, Russia, Japan and the United States.
    Such talks have been suspended for more than a year.

    As to the reported North Korean nuclear test, Bush said that North Korea with its actions “has once again chosen to reject the prospect for a better future” such as proposed deals offered in past six-country talks that held out the promise of incentives for Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear ambitions.
    North Korea has said that one reason it tested an atomic weapon is fear of attack from the United States.
    In answer to a question he asked himself — why the U.S. does not take military action against North Korea — Bush said: “I believe the commander in chief must try all diplomatic measures before we commit our military.”

    Defending Iraq policy

    Meantime, in a renewed defense of his Iraq war policy, Bush told reporters that if the U.S. leaves Iraq before the Iraqis can defend their new democracy, terrorists would take control there and have a new “safe haven” to attack the U.S.
    Bush said these are “tough times” in Iraq, but that the stakes there “couldn’t be higher.”
    He also dismissed as “not credible” a new study that contends nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war.

    GOP under pressure

    Bush devoted most of his opening remarks to the news conference to the escalating tensions with North Korea as well as to the administration's efforts to cut the federal budget deficit.
    Weeks before midterm elections across the country, Bush and the Republican Party are facing dismal approval ratings and for the first time since 2001, a Newsweek poll shows that more Americans — 53 percent — trust Democrats or moral values and the war on terror.
    His party’s hopes of retaining control of the Congress in the elections appeared to have been damaged by the scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla.

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    Uhhuh... just like he used diplomacy on Afghanistan, and diplomacy on Iraq, and is preparing even MORE diplomacy off the coast of Iran.

    Diplomacy.

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    I call bullshit. The bitch is too scared to pick on someone who can fight back. Besides, Koreans aren't quite brown enough to bomb.

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    As to direct talks with North Korea, as the U.N. secretary general and many other diplomats have urged, Bush suggested that direct Clinton administration contacts with the communist regime showed they were unprofitable.

    "It didn’t work in the past. ... I learned a lesson from that . . .
    Oh, please. Since when has learning from mistakes and not repeating them been Bush's strategy?

    Bush said: “I believe the commander in chief must try all diplomatic measures before we commit our military.”
    OMG, SINCE WHEN?!?!

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    and btw, Clinton's strategy WAS working. Lets see:

    On clintons watch we had:

    1) North Korea NOT refining uranium

    2) North Korea NOT threatening war

    3) North Korea NOT exploding nukes.

    On Bush's watch:

    1) North Korea got called part of the Axis of Evil, and figured it was next in line

    2) Saw Bush unilaterally invade 2 sovereign nations, figured they were next in line

    3) Saw Bush refuse to even talk to Dear Reader about his Great Grobal Pran

    Hmmm who's the failure?
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    Bush CANNOT attack N Korea because the US Armed Forces are all in IRAQ!!!! They're already spread way too thin.....
    Last edited by LynnieD; October 11th, 2006 at 02:10 PM.

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    Thank you, LynnieD...that's exactly what I was going to say. They barely have enough troops to cover their two front war right now. Open up a third front and forget about it.
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    well..this is just a huge surprise..He...is such an IDIOT.
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    On clintons watch we had:

    1) North Korea NOT refining uranium

    2) North Korea NOT threatening war

    3) North Korea NOT exploding nukes.

    I'm not sure that all these statements are true. I can only wholeheartedly agree with # 3. that NK did not explode nukes.

    N Korea was suspected of refining uranium and plutonium from over 10 years ago. And they were certainly always making bellicose threats. That is the nature of their regime, a military state with the second largest standing army at alert to attack.

    Bush has not contained the N Korean nuclear problem and has fumbled in a big way. But the Clinton administration had a hell of a time as well trying to contain NK's slippery stance on nuclear weapons development. The N. Koreans were going to build this nuke no matter who was in power.



    From the Center for Nonproliferation website there is a really comprehensive chronology that goes back forever.

    http://cns.miis.edu/research/korea/nuc/iaea93.htm


    22-29 February 1993
    During the IAEA Board of Governors meeting, the North Korean representatives are shown US surveillance photographs and chemical evidence proving that North Korea had been producing plutonium from nuclear waste for a minimum of three years beginning in 1989. The photographs depict a Soviet-style nuclear waste dump for both liquid and solid waste. The chemical evidence shows impurities in the plutonium samples, which suggests that the plutonium had been produced in three separate amounts over three years. Diplomatic officials believe that North Korea now has enough plutonium to build at least one nuclear weapon.

    David E. Sanger, New York Times, 13 March 1993, pp.1, 3.

    That's just one random piece from the timeline over ten years ago. These guys were getting busy a long long time ago trying to make this bomb.



    Here is a good timeline from Frontline:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../etc/cron.html

    That site also has a really good online TV episode about NK and their march to develop nukes.


    A decade-long overview of the threats, deceptions and diplomatic ploys that have shaped U.S.-North Korea relations

    1989
    End of Cold War; North Korea loses Soviet patronage

    In 1989, Soviet control of communist governments throughout Europe begins to weaken and the Cold War comes to a close. As the USSR's power declines, North Korea loses the security guarantees and economic support that had sustained it for 45 years.



    1989
    Activity at Yongbyon nuclear complex


    Through satellite photos, the U.S. learns of new construction at a nuclear complex near the North Korean town of Yongbyon. U.S. intelligence analysts suspect that North Korea, which had signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1985 but had not yet allowed inspections of its nuclear facilities, is in the early stages of building an atomic bomb.

    In response, U.S. pursues a strategy in which North Korea's full compliance with the NPT would lead to progress on other diplomatic issues, such as the normalization of relations.



    May 1992
    North Korea allows first inspections


    For the first time, North Korea allows a team from the International Atomic Energy Association (IAEA), then headed by Hans Blix, to visit the facility at Yongbyon. Blix and the U.S. suspect that North Korea is secretly using its five-megawatt reactor and reprocessing facility at Yongbyon to turn spent fuel into weapons-grade plutonium. Before leaving, Blix arranges for fully equipped inspection teams to follow.

    The inspections do not go well. Over the next several months, the North Koreans repeatedly block inspectors from visiting two of Yongbyon's suspected nuclear waste sites and IAEA inspectors find evidence that the country is not revealing the full extent of its plutonium production.



    March 1993
    North Korea threatens withdrawal from NPT

    North Korea's announcement shocks the world. Facing heavy domestic pressure from Republicans who oppose negotiations with North Korea, President Bill Clinton appoints Robert Gallucci to start a new round of negotiations. After 89 days, North Korea announces it has suspended its withdrawal. (The NPT requires a 90-day notice before a country can withdraw.)

    In December, IEAE Director-General Blix announces that the agency can no longer provide "any meaningful assurances" that North Korea is not producing nuclear weapons.



    April 19, 1994
    North Korea raises stakes; U.S. considers military response

    North Korea announces that it is going to move its stock of irradiated fuel from its five-megawatt reactor without allowing international inspectors to monitor the process. It also threatens to go one step further and reprocess the fuel from that reactor, which would give Pyongyang enough plutonium to make five or six nuclear weapons.

    The Clinton administration decides that it will take every possible action to try and stop the North Korean nuclear weapons program. It considers a strike against the Yongbyon facility, but concludes that the consequences -- an estimated 100,000 casualties from a North Korean reprisal are too severe.

    The administration instead decides to press for U.N. sanctions, a move that North Korea considers extremely provocative. Park Yong Su, a North Korean negotiator, warns, "If you force us to go to war, we will go at anytime." He threatens that North Korea will turn Seoul into "a sea of flames."

    In South Korea, authorities call for civil defense exercises to prepare the country for an attack. Clinton asks the Pentagon for options to reinforce troop strength in South Korea.



    June 1994
    Carter travels on peace mission to Pyongyang


    Despite opposition from some senior members of the Clinton administration, former U.S. president Jimmy Carter travels on a private trip to Pyongyang to meet with Kim Il Sung and try to broker a diplomatic solution to the crisis. While in Pyongyang, Carter makes a controversial television appearance in which he details the commitments he has extracted from Kim Il Sung. He tells CNN that Kim Il Sung "[has] given me assurance that as long as this good-faith effort is going on between the United States and North Korea, that the inspectors will stay on site and the surveillance equipment will not be interrupted." Carter also announces that Kim Il Sung has agreed to go back to the negotiating table.



    July 1994
    Death of Kim Il Sung


    Kim Il Sung dies suddenly of a heart attack on the day that negotiations begin. Kim Il Sung is succeeded by his son Kim Jong Il, who had been linked to acts of terrorism against South Korea, including a 1983 bomb blast that killed 4 government ministers and a 1987 blast aboard a South Korean airliner that killed 115 civilians. Kim Jong Il is also tied to North Korea's nuclear ambitions -- he was the founder of the Yongbyon complex.



    October 1994
    Agreed Framework negotiated

    In October, the U.S. and North Korea complete negotiations in Geneva of what becomes known as the Agreed Framework. North Korea agrees to shut down the Yongbyon complex and cease plutonium production. In return, the U.S. promises to help with the construction of two modern light-water reactors to help solve North Korea's energy problems. The light-water reactors are modern nuclear power plants that are built, operated, and regulated in accordance with international standards of safety. The U.S. also agrees to provide 500,000 metric tons of heavy fuel oil annually until construction on the light-water reactors is complete.

    When the deal is announced, many Congressional Republicans are outraged. Critics claim that the deal is "appeasement" because it rewards North Korea for bad behavior. In part because of Congressional opposition, construction of the light-water reactors falls behind schedule and delivery of the heavy fuel oil is often late.



    December 1994
    North Korea shoots down U.S. helicopter

    One U.S. soldier is killed when North Korean forces shoot down a U.S. helicopter. North Korea accuses the helicopter pilot of spying, while the U.S. maintains that the aircraft had strayed off course during a routine training mission. Pyongyang holds the pilot for 13 days and to win his release, the U.S. expresses "sincere regret" for the incident.



    Mid- to late 1990s
    North Korea faces devastating famine


    A combination of long-term economic decline and devastating weather conditions lead to a famine during the mid-1990s, during which foreign aid workers estimate as many as 2 million people die of starvation. In 1995-96 floods destroy 16 percent of the country's arable land. In 1997 and again in 2000, North Korea suffers a devastating drought along its fertile west coast. According to the World Food Programme, the food deficit in North Korea has been in excess of 1 million tons per year since 1995.



    1998
    South Korea launches Sunshine Policy


    Newly-elected South Korean President Kim Dae Jung institutes a new approach to dealing with North Korea, which becomes known as the "Sunshine Policy." It advocates openness and engagement with North Korea and assumes that Kim Jong Il wants to modernize the North Korean economy.



    Aug. 31, 1998
    North Korea launches Taepodong missile; U.S. conducts policy review



    In a surprise move, North Korea launches its Taepodong missile -- a three-stage missile estimated to have a range of 3,800 to 6,000 km -- over the Sea of Japan. The missile launch proves that Pyongyang can launch an attack on Japan and is an embarrassment to President Clinton, who had backed the Sunshine Policy. Mandated by Congress to review U.S. policy toward North Korea, the president asks former Defense Secretary William Perry to conduct the review.



    March 1999
    North Korea agrees to inspections of suspected nuclear site

    After several months of negotiations, North Korea agrees to allow U.S. inspectors visit a suspected nuclear site located at Kumchangri in exchange for food aid. Inspectors twice visit the complex -- which was believed to house an underground nuclear reactor and plutonium reprocessing operation inside of a mountain -- but find no evidence of nuclear activity at the site, although some continue to speculate that the North Koreans removed evidence before allowing inspections. The incident is an embarrassment to U.S. officials.



    May 1999
    Perry visits Pyongyang

    The first U.S. presidential envoy to visit North Korea, Perry tries to convince Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear and missile development programs in exchange for improved diplomatic and economic relations with the U.S. His trip, during which he hand-carries and delivers a letter from President Clinton to Kim Jong Il, is the culmination of his policy review.

    Perry delivers his final report in October, at the end of an eight-month review. The report concludes that "the urgent focus of U.S. policy toward the DPRK must be to end its nuclear weapons and long-range missile-related activities."

    The Perry report suggests a two-path strategy in which the U.S. and North Korea would gradually negotiate an end to North Korea's weapons program and the normalization of relations between the two countries.



    September 1999
    Hopeful signs

    North Korea pledges to freeze all tests of its long-range missiles and President Clinton responds by easing some economic sanctions that were put in place in 1950, when North Korea invaded South Korea.



    Summer 2000
    North-South tensions ease


    In June, South Korean leader Kim Dae Jung travels to Pyongyang for a summit with Kim Jong Il. The meeting raises hopes for a further warming of relations between the two countries.

    In August, family reunions are held in Seoul and Pyongyang for families divided at the end of the Korean War. The following month, athletes from both North and South Korea march together in the opening ceremony of the Olympic games in Sydney, Australia.

    In October, Kim Dae Jung receives the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to open a dialogue with North Korea.



    July 2000
    North Korean anger at delays in Agreed Framework

    Angry at the loss of electricity from delays in the construction of the light-water reactors promised in the Agreed Framework, Pyongyang threatens to restart its nuclear program.



    October 8-12, 2000
    U.S. and North Korea issue joint communiqué

    A high-level envoy, Vice Marshal Jo Myong Rok, visits Washington in early October. He brings an invitation for President Clinton to travel for a summit in Pyongyang and reaffirms that North Korea wants to improve relations with the U.S.

    Jo's visit results in the issuance of a joint communiqué in which the two countries state their intentions to "fundamentally improve" bilateral relations. The communiqué also notes that, "As a crucial first step, the two sides stated that neither government would have hostile intent toward the other and confirmed the commitment of both governments to make every effort in the future to build a new relationship free from past enmity."



    October 2000
    Albright visits Pyongyang


    Secretary of State Madeleine Albright becomes the highest-level U.S. official to visit North Korea since the Korean War when she travels to Pyongyang to negotiate a missile deal with Kim Jong Il. The key items on Albright's agenda include continued inspection of suspected nuclear sites, an end to the North Korean long-range ballistic missile program, an end to North Korean sales of its ballistic missile technology, and improved relations with South Korea.

    Another reason behind Albright's mission is to lay the groundwork for a potential visit to Pyongyang by President Clinton. At the end of the summit, Kim Jong Il reiterates an invitation for Clinton to visit North Korea. However, Clinton, who's at the end of his presidency and is consumed by the Middle East peace process, decides not to go.



    January 2001
    George W. Bush inaugurated

    At first, it appears that the Bush administration will continue the Clinton administration's policy of engagement with North Korea. Secretary of State Colin Powell tells reporters, "We do plan to engage with North Korea and pick up where President Clinton and his administration left off. Some promising elements were left on the table."



    March 2001
    Bush signals shift in policy


    Bush holds a summit with South Korean president Kim Dae Jung in Washington. Although he publicly endorses the Sunshine Policy, privately Bush tells Kim that the U.S. will not continue talks with North Korea, setting aside the Clinton administration's policy of engagement. The South Korean president is stunned.

    The administration also announces that it will conduct a review of U.S. policy towards North Korea. In remarks to reporters, President Bush voices doubt over trusting North Korea, saying, "Part of the problem in dealing with North Korea, there's not very much transparency. We're not certain as to whether or not they're keeping all terms of all agreements."



    June 2001
    North Korea threatens to restart missile tests; Bush administration completes policy review

    North Korea warns that it will consider restarting missile tests if the Bush administration refuses to resume diplomatic contacts aimed at normalizing relations between the two countries. The following month, the State Department reports that North Korea has conducted tests of its long-range Taepodong missile.

    After completing its policy review, the Bush administration agrees to talk to North Korea, but insists upon a broad agenda: that talks go beyond Pyongyang's nuclear and missile programs to also include a reducation of conventional forces, and that North Korea immediately restarts cooperation with the IAEA.



    Sept. 11, 2001
    Attacks on World Trade Center and Pentagon

    The Sept. 11 attacks raise new fears in the U.S. about weapons proliferations and the possibility that a rogue nation would sell its missiles and nuclear technology to a terrorist group.



    Jan. 29, 2002
    Bush delivers "axis of evil" speech



    In his State of the Union address, Bush describes North Korea as "a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens." He warns that states seeking weapons of mass destruction are a "grave and growing danger" to U.S. security and signals that the U.S. will act preemptively to deal with such nations. In a memorable turn of phrase, Bush labels Iraq, Iran and North Korea an "axis of evil."

    North Korea's official state newspaper reacts by accusing the U.S. of trying to occupy North Korea. It declares the speech is "little short of declaring war."



    October 2002
    Pyongyang admits secret uranium enrichment program

    In the summer of 2002, the CIA, working with evidence that it had been collecting since the middle of Clinton's second term, concludes that North Korea is secretly pursuing a uranium enrichment program. The uranium enrichment program is different from the plutonium-based program that Pyongyang agreed to freeze during negotiations for the 1994 Agreed Framework; however the U.S. argues that North Korea has violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the agreement.

    On Oct. 3, Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly travels to Pyongyang to confront the North Koreans with the evidence. The next day, the North Koreans admit to the program but refuse to end it. Pyongyang's admission is not publicly revealed for two weeks.

    In November, the U.S. Japan, and South Korea cut off all fuel oil shipments to North Korea.



    December 2002-February 2003
    North Korea restarts plutonium program



    North Korea turns off all the monitoring equipment at its nuclear facilities at Yongbyon and sends IAEA inspectors home. The following month, Pyongyang announces its withdrawal from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and insists that only bilateral talks with the U.S. can resolve the conflict. It restarts the nuclear reactor in February.

    As fears that North Korea may soon begin producing nuclear weapons escalate, the Bush administration maintains that the current problems can be resolved peacefully only through a multilateral diplomatic process involving Japan, South Korea and China.



    February 2003
    Debate within Bush administration continues

    Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a Northeast Asia specialist, says, "Our suggestion is not quite that we handle these talks multilaterally, but we have a multilateral umbrella, of any sort." His remarks reportedly infuriate President Bush, who orders a ban on any public discussion of anything that might resemble one-on-one or bilateral talks with North Korea.



    March 2003
    Tensions escalate; U.S and North Korea at impasse

    After restarting its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon in late February, Pyongyang tests two short-range missiles in March. It also intercepts and harasses a U.S. spy plane flying off its coast and announces that it is pulling out of the armistice talks that have been going on since the end of the Korean War.

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    I don't see why some countries can be trusted to have weapons and others can't. Britain and America weren't voted the police of the world.
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