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    Default It's Mueller Time! The new politics catch-all thread.

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    A read though Roger Stone's twitter meltdown last night shows how scared they are.



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    In the words of Negan "I hope they have their shittin' pants on." It will be a loooooong weekend in the WH.
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    Fun Halloween idea- dress up like a cop and knock on Paul Manafort's door.


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    From the super smart Sarah Sanders....

    The evidence Clinton campaign, DNC & Russia colluded to influence the election is indisputable->
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    The best she can do is The Federalist?
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    Game: If you live near Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Mike Flynn, or any of Team Trump, go trick-or-treating at their house as a cop.

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    Source: Palmer Report

    Sean Hannity has total meltdown as Robert Mueller brings criminal charges in Trump-Russia scandal










    Fox News host Sean Hannity has consistently been Donald Trump’s biggest media apologist – and he’s grown more frantic about this week, as it’s become more clear that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was about to begin swinging the indictment hammer. Sure enough, CNN reported on Friday night that Mueller had indeed filed the first criminal charges in the Trump-Russia scandal. This sent Hannity into a total unhinged meltdown.



    Sean Hannity did not host his own Fox News show on Friday night, as the Mueller story was breaking. That led some to ask, half jokingly, if perhaps he’d gone into hiding. However it’s commonplace for weeknight cable news hosts to take a Friday night off here and there. Unable to run spin on Trump’s behalf on-air, Hannity took to Twitter and staged his meltdown there.



    Hannity’s first tweet was “When will Hillary Clinton be indicted?” That’s right, now that Donald Trump’s Russia scandal has become so serious that people are being indicted and criminally charged, Hannity is randomly insisting that Clinton be indicted for an imaginary uranium scandal. From there Hannity doubled down on the uranium fiction: “Guess;Mueller and Media working hand in hand. Media to be tipped off. Mueller was FBI Director Who knew of Russian crimes before Uranium one.” From there it got worse.


    Sean Hannity ended up tweeting “Left needs a dramatic change in the narrative!! Uranium One, Fusion GPS dossier, all out this week. This is a distraction! TICK TOCK….” At this point he was so far off the deep end, he was asserting that the criminal charges against Trump’s co-conspirators were nothing more than a distraction. Then he dissolved into an all-caps meltdown “This has been a HORRIBLE week for Mueller, Special Counsel’s office. THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. Monday I’ll have the details. TICK TOCK….!” In reality, that “tick tock” you hear is Hannity’s head exploding.
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    Source: Think Progress

    Following news of Mueller charges, White House desperately tries to shift focus to Clinton The press secretary wants you to believe Clinton is the real colluder.


    On the heels of news that special counsel Robert Mueller has filed his first charges connected to the investigation of the Trump campaign for possible collusion with Russia, the White House is desperately trying to shift blame to Hillary Clinton.

    On Saturday morning, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweeted that “[t]he evidence Clinton campaign, DNC & Russia colluded to influence the election is indisputable.”




    • Sarah Sanders@PressSec Clinton spokesman just said he's "damn glad" Clinton campaign colluded w/ Russia to spread disinformation about @POTUS & influence election




















    Sarah Sanders‏@PressSec
    The evidence Clinton campaign, DNC & Russia colluded to influence the election is indisputable->







    There’s just one problem — there is in fact no evidence that the Clinton campaign colluded with foreign agents at all.

    Sanders’ tweet about a “Clinton spokesman” refers to a story the Washington Post published Friday about how Marc Elias, general counsel for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, “hired a private research firm in the spring of 2016 to investigate Donald Trump.” That firm, named Fusion GPS, conducted research that culminated in the partially-verified Steele dossier exploring the Trump campaign’s ties with Russian operatives.


    In that story, former Hillary Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon is quoted as saying, “I am damn glad [Elias] pursued this on behalf of our campaign and only regret more of this material was not verified in time for the voters to learn it before the election.”


    Sanders would have you believe that Elias’ decision to hire Fusion GPS — a firm that employed Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer who wrote the dossier — is equivalent with the Trump campaign’s eagerness to collude with Russian government operatives in an effort to obtain incriminating information about Clinton: an effort we learned about in part because of Donald Trump Jr.’s emails.


    But the Clinton campaign’s relationship with Fusion GPS is not equivalent to Trump campaign’s ties with Kremlin-connected operatives. As Vox details, there are at least three major differences — the initial funding for the Steele dossier came from anti-Trump Republicans, opposition research is not the same as colluding with a foreign government, and some of the claims in the Steele dossier have since been deemed credible by top-ranking U.S. intelligence officials operating independently of any political campaign.


    Nonetheless, White House officials and Trump surrogates outside the administration have relentlessly tried to distract from the Trump-Russia scandal by ginning up new controversies around Clinton. During a Fox News interview conducted just hours before news of Mueller’s charges broke, Sanders went as far as to say she was “confident” that Mueller would “close” his investigation soon because “[i]f anyone was colluding with the Russians to influence the election, look no further than the Clintons and the DNC.”


    On Saturday morning — hours after news of Mueller’s first charges became public — former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski took the level of delusion up a notch by pretending that it was in fact Clinton who had won the election, not Trump.

    “What we should be focusing on are the continued lies of the Clinton administration — the continued fallacies that they perpetuated,” he said.
    What Sanders and Lewandowski can’t explain is why Russian propaganda outlets and Kremlin operatives waged a massive disinformation campaign on behalf of Trump, if they were indeed colluding with his opponent.

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    Source: Politico


    Attorneys close to the case said they were discussing whether the indictment in the investigation by special counsel Robert was for former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn or former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. | Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images

    Trump legal team scrambles to prepare for new stage of Russia probe

    The president’s lawyers and political aides are bracing for the first charges just five months into the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
    10/28/2017 12:31 PM EDT




    President Donald Trump’s White House and personal lawyers scrambled Saturday to learn where the knife might fall in the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller, triggering a guessing game among aides after days of trying to turn attention away from allegations of collusion with Russia during the election.


    Attorneys involved in the case said their cellphones have been ringing nonstop as they connected with each other, and with reporters, trying to gather more concrete details after a CNN report Friday night that a federal grand jury had approved the first charges in the Russia investigation.





    While the report did not cite names, attorneys close to the case said they were discussing whether the indictment was for two known Mueller targets: former campaign chairman Paul Manafort or former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn.


    Several attorneys who said they were in touch with the Manafort and Flynn lawyers said they had not been notified of any matter related to an indictment — which is customary in a white-collar criminal investigation — leading them to believe it wasn’t either of those two former high-ranking Trump aides. An attorney for Manafort did not respond to a request for comment. Michael Flynn’s attorney, Robert Kelner, declined to comment.


    The attorneys close to the case also said they wouldn’t be surprised if the charges were targeting Flynn or Manafort family members, or a longtime accountant or lawyer.


    Andrew Weissmann, one of Mueller’s top attorneys and a frequent presence over the last month at the grand jury proceedings in Washington, including on Friday, was known to use that tactic to gain advantage when attempting to prosecute Enron executives in the mid-2000s. “That moves you toward making a deal when the son or a wife is indicted,” said a white-collar attorney familiar with the Mueller probe.


    For example, an indictment of Flynn’s son, who worked for his father’s lobbying firm, could put pressure on Flynn to begin to cooperate with investigators. Flynn and his son have been under scrutiny for their lobbying work on behalf of a Turkish client with ties to the country’s authoritarian president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is friendly with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Flynn Jr. also accompanied his father to Moscow in December 2015 for a paid speech, which Putin attended, celebrating the Russian propaganda outlet RT. Michael Flynn did not disclose the payments in his application to renew his security clearance in 2016; the Democratic and GOP leaders of the House Oversight Committee earlier this year said that was likely an illegal omission.


    Barry Coburn, Michael Flynn Jr.’s attorney, also declined to comment. Alan Futerfas, an attorney for Trump’s oldest son, Donald Trump Jr., said he had no insight into the CNN story or any Mueller indictments.


    Aaron May, an attorney for Jeffrey Yohai, Manafort’s former son-in-law, who has come under scrutiny for real estate transactions conducted with Paul Manafort, said he couldn’t talk about the case, but not because he was under any kind of court order. “I don’t know,” he said.


    Several lawyers close to the case were trying to gauge the accuracy of the original report, which POLITICO has not independently confirmed. Speculation also was rising over who would release information that is sealed by a federal judge. “If the leaker isn’t the defense, that could be a legal issue,” said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor in Chicago, though he said that his “gut” suggests the story came from a defense attorney “who was told to have his client in court on Monday.”

    While Trump’s lawyers said they were just as in the dark in deducing what was happening on the Mueller indictment front, they noted White House staff interviews were continuing. They said the president’s team was adamant about maintaining a cooperative approach with the special counsel — even though the public push back from the president, his White House communications staff and even his 2020 reelection campaign were headed in a very different direction.


    As Friday night’s news dominated the cable airwaves, the president on Twitter posted a link to a New York Post tabloid op-ed with the headline, “How Team Hillary played the press for fools on Russia” along with a 34-second video titled “WHAT HAPPENED.”


    Trump earlier on Friday also went after the Russia investigations and added a jab at his 2016 election rival Hillary Clinton, tweeting, “It is now commonly agreed, after many months of COSTLY looking, that there was NO collusion between Russia and Trump. Was collusion with HC!”


    During her daily press briefing at the White House on Friday, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Trump’s tweet about an expensive investigation wasn’t just about the Mueller probe. “That's not the only investigation that's taking place. Congress has spent a great deal of time on this — a better part of a year. All of your news organizations have actually spent probably a lot of money on this as well, which we would consider probably a pretty big waste,” she said.


    The Trump campaign in a text message to supporters just before the CNN story broke blasted out a fundraising solicitation for upwards of $2,700 from “Trump Headquarters” with a subject line, “RUSSIA?”


    “The Script Has Been Flipped,” the campaign’s website read. “Crooked Hillary and the DNC have been EXPOSED paying a company to use a foreign agent to take down my Presidency. … And the company they used has ties to Russia. I need the IMMEDIATE support of the American people. Contribute now and DEMAND answers from Crooked Hillary and the DNC!”

    GOP operative and longtime Trump ally Roger Stone went on a Twitter tear against CNN commentators who were dissecting their scoop, tweeting multiple derogatory messages at the anchor. “If Carl Bernstein says something the overwhelming odds are that it’s false lied about Watergate lying lying now” he posted a few minutes later.


    Stone is a longtime Trump associate who helped the billionaire set up an exploratory run for president in 1999 and became an informal adviser to his 2016 campaign. He is also a former Manafort lobbying partner.


    Stone kept up the attacks in a pre-dawn email Saturday to POLITICO, this time training his fire on Mueller. “I hear Mueller has indicted Manafort's driver for double parking and nailing Manafort's housekeeper for tearing the tags off sofa cushions,” Stone wrote, calling for the former FBI director to be “prosecuted for his crimes.”


    Rep. Eric Swalwell, an outspoken House Intelligence Committee member, suggested via Twitter that Republicans would face their own troubles with their recent moves to open investigations into Clinton and the DNC. “Please, everyone, save this tweet. Trust me. #TrumpRussia,” the California Democrat wrote on Twitter, citing a @GOP message with the same line used by the Trump campaign: “The script has flipped on the Russia investigation.”


    A Mueller indictment in a little over five months since his mid-May appointment — if accurate — would mean movement at a much faster pace than the 17-month average seen in the nine previous independent counsel and special counsel cases that date back to the Carter administration where any criminal charges got filed, according to a POLITICO analysis of the historical legal record.

    Mueller has been working off others’ efforts. In his testimony earlier this year to the Senate, former FBI Director James Comey explained that the FBI had been investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election since July 2016. And Manafort’s work in Ukraine had been under DOJ scrutiny since as far back as 2014, according to an AP report this spring.


    The only case that would have moved at a faster pace than Mueller’s — Whitewater — had certain similar circumstances.


    In that probe, the first independent counsel, Robert Fiske, inherited a number of earlier investigative efforts involving the Clintons’ land deals in Arkansas that sped along his first major action just two months after his January 1994 appointment. Fiske that March notched a guilty plea on federal fraud charges against David Hale, an Arkansas political insider and former municipal judge who said Bill Clinton as governor had pressured him to approve an illegal government-subsidized loan. Hale agreed to cooperate with Fiske as part of the wider Whitewater investigation.


    For comparison, it took special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nearly 22 months until October 2005 to indict Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, for making false statements to the FBI, obstruction of justice and perjury over his testimony before the federal grand jury. Independent counsel David Barrett needed almost 28 months in his investigation of Clinton HUD Secretary Henry Cisernos, though the first charges were filed in September 1997 against Cisernos's mistress, Linda Medlar-Jones, as well as her sister and brother-in-law, Patsy and Allen Wooten, on multiple charges including fraud, false statements, money laundering and conspiracy surrounding the purchase of a home financed by money from Cisernos.


    A former senior DOJ official who has worked with Mueller — but was unable himself to confirm the latest report — said that if true it would be well within the former FBI director’s character to bring an indictment this soon. “Bob combines thoroughness and speed,” the former official said.

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    The president looks to be starting a new Twitter fight about 24 hours after the Mueller indictment is announced. https://t.co/MytE2PTGlQ

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