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    I was watching NBC viewing the Voice and and a News Break came in saying we had multiple air strikes, then went quickly to commercials. I checked other stations and found nothing...

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    U.S. airstrikes hit ISIS targets inside Syria - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- U.S. jets began airstrikes in the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa, Syria, early Tuesday, the first strikes against the terror group inside the country since President Barack Obama's announcement this month that he was prepared to expand the American efforts beyond targets in Iraq, a U.S. official told CNN.
    The U.S. and "partner nation forces" began striking ISIS targets using fighters, bombers and Tomahawk missiles, Pentagon spokesman Read Adm. John Kirby said, though he didn't specify a geographic location.
    Citing the ongoing operations, Kirby said the Pentagon would not provide additional details immediately.
    With the airstrikes, the United States enters a new level of engagement in the ongoing Syrian civil war. Obama had resisted U.S. military action in Syria, but as the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq made sweeping advances in both Middle Eastern neighbors, calls for such a step grew.
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    "I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are," Obama said in a September 10 speech. "That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: if you threaten America, you will find no safe haven."
    The message of the speech was clear -- it was a matter of when, not if -- the United States would carry out airstrikes inside Syria.
    Last week, U.S. officials told CNN that the military had everything in place it needed to strike ISIS inside Syria and was awaiting Obama's go-ahead to do so.
    For weeks, intelligence and military targeting specialists have been working around the clock on a list of targets, the officials said. It is unlikely that the President reviewed all the targets individuall, but was presented broad guidance with analysis about the risks of bombing inside Syria, as well as the rewards in terms of attacking ISIS.
    Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel told the House Armed Services Committee last week that he and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey signed off on plans to strike ISIS in Syria.
    "CENTCOM's plan includes targeted actions against ISIL safe havens in Syria -- including its command and control, logistics capabilities, and infrastructure," Hagel said last week. "Our actions will not be restrained by a border that exists in name only."
    CNN's Barbara Starr, Josh Levs and Holly Yan contributed to this report.

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    In a manner of speaking.
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    What does that mean to you Mo?

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    Declaring war and executing airstrikes are different , I believe we are continuing the airstrikes that have been going on for several weeks. According to CNN we have some partners/alias participating too. It looks like the UAE and Saudi Arabia are the partners
    . It's just like it was with the Al-Queda , CNN just reports everything like we are invading Normandy on a daily basis .
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    I think IS poses a far greater threat to the "infidel" Western society than Al Quaida ever did. Clearly they are fundie maniacs but it's a worry that they are recruiting so many "freedom fighters" from formerly moderate Muslim communities around the world. There's a real sense of anger and victimhood among these young (mostly) men who see no future for themselves other than long term welfare dependency, unemployment and alienation. Going to fight this contrived "war" - mostly Muslims killing Muslims lets not forget - must seem very glamorous in their otherwise limited lives. They are ripe for radicalisation by their so-called leaders and imams who preach hatred and jihad seemingly with impunity.

    I am very disappointed that the voice of the majority of peaceful, law abiding Muslims worldwide aren't speaking out far more loudly and forcefully to condemn the atrocities of the IS crazies who claim to represent them. And many powerful and influential Islamic countries (I'm looking at you Saudi Arabia) are keeping a deafening and shameful silence too.

    A major terrorist plot was thwarted last week by Australian security forces who had good intelligence that an IS cell here was planning to behead a random "infidel" in a busy Sydney street to "teach us a lesson". They don't seem to grasp the fact that the only lesson to be learned is that they are murdering bastards who give all Muslims a bad name.

    I'm not a panicker by nature but this situation could escalate into something very bad indeed. Not sure I'd call it WW3 as some have but it's something to be very concerned about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Froogy View Post
    What does that mean to you Mo?
    I would put it this way. It is akin to what we were doing when we were trying to stop the Serbs from committing genocide in Bosnia. We bombed and bombed the crap out of the Serbs. And people said, "you never won a war buy aerial campaign alone". But we were doing it in concert with Kosovar ground troops. And it worked eventually.

    In the case, of ISIS, they have been rolling through Syria and Iraq uncontested, committing large-scale atrocities against civilian populations. Ironically, I was just watching a documentary on Netflix tonight about the Japanese invasion of Nanking. They used the same tactics as ISIS - the use of rapid advances and atrocities against both military and civilian populations to weaken resistance as they invaded.
    I am very disappointed that the voice of the majority of peaceful, law abiding Muslims worldwide aren't speaking out far more loudly and forcefully to condemn the atrocities of the IS crazies who claim to represent them. And many powerful and influential Islamic countries (I'm looking at you Saudi Arabia) are keeping a deafening and shameful silence too.
    Actually, mainstream muslim groups are loudly condemning the actions taken by ISIS. That includes the beheading of journalists. They have stated that this is not approved anywhere in the Koran.

    I do agree that for decades, Saudi Arabia has been exporting Salafist propaganda and ideology into previously peaceful/moderate muslim areas.

    It's going to be important for the US to avoid putting boots on the ground and instead shoring up ground troops in Iraq and Kurdish-controlled areas, so that they can fight ISIS in cooperation with the US, France and other allies. The US on the ground in the middle East again would encourage more knuckleheads in the west to join the fight on ISIS' side.
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    We have always been at war with ISIS.



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    @ Mo. US Muslims may be speaking out against IS and what it stands for but their Aussie brothers most certainly aren't. The only Muslim voices we hear (or those that are reported by our extreme Leftard media) are the hothead imams, IS sympathisers and other "victims" of infidel repression in our western city suburbs. Any attempts at serious debate are shut down because our anti-racism laws make it illegal to say something that might offend someone else.
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    ABC Nuff said LOL
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    Well they're the "leftard" media and yet you said they only report on what the hotheads are saying. So are you contradicting yourself or does the ABC not count?
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    I don't believe anything the ABC says even though my taxes pay for them to say it. Generally speaking the Aussie media doesn't report much about what the majority, non militant Muslim community has to say. I guess it's not sensational enough and it doesn't include an excuse to take another swipe at AbbottAbbottAbbott and the budget.

    Unfortunately I am pretty certain that some IS sympathiser will do something unpleasant here, it's only a matter of time. There has been a lot of naive inertia in many of our security arrangements. It beggars belief that armed guards have only just been assigned to patrol Govt buildings, including parliament, despite the volatile atmosphere.
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    Actually, I read up on this topic a couple of weeks ago. The civilians basically hand over their communities to ISIS. When ISIS comes in, they take over the banks, but still provide the villages with basic social services, water, power, garbage collection, etc.... If they resist, ISIS slaughters the whole village. So they don't want ISIS there, but they have no way to fight them out of their village. It was quite fascinating really. a couple of villagers were quoted, anonymously of course, because they don't want to be slaughtered, "if the west came and brought us some weapons, we would fight right along with them."
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    And bang on cue a young man (18) stabbed two cops in SE Melbn while yelling anti Govt abuse so he was shot dead. He was "known to police" and displayed an IS flag at his home although the media is strenuously avoiding using the "M" or the "I" word.
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