what a truly lovely story; i wish every idiot Red-state american would read it and believe it b/c its the sad mothafucking truth!
btw like the bumper-sticker says; "Bush knew 9/11"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG204A.html
Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party.
Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year.
One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan.
Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded "freedom fighters," giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals).
Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan's instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure.
Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources
Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions.
Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda.
In the US, the Christian Right adopted the Mujahideen as their favorite project. They even sent around a "biblical checklist" for grading US congressman as to how close they were to the "Christian" political line. If a congressman didn't support the radical Muslim Muj, he or she was downgraded by the evangelicals and fundamentalists.
Reagan wanted to give more and more sophisticated weapons to the Mujahideen ("freedom fighters"). The Pakistani generals were forming an alliance with the fundamentalist Jamaat-i Islam and begining to support madrasahs or hardline seminaries that would teach Islamic extremism. But even they balked at giving the ragtag Muj really advanced weaponry. Pakistan had a close alliance with China, and took advice from Beijing.
In 1985 Reagan sent Senator Orrin Hatch, Undersecretary of Defense Fred Iklé and others to Beijing to ask China to put pressure on Pakistan to allow the US to give the Muslim radicals, such as Hikmatyar, more sophisticated weapons. Hatch succeeded in this mission.
By giving the Muj weaponry like the stinger shoulderheld missile, which could destroy advanced Soviet arms like their helicopter gunships, Reagan demonstrated to the radical Muslims that they could defeat a superpower.
Reagan also decided to build up Saddam Hussein in Iraq as a counterweight to Khomeinist Iran, authorizing US and Western companies to send him precursors for chemical and biological weaponry. At one point Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to assure Saddam that it was all right if he used chemical weapons against the Iranians.
On becoming president, George H. W. Bush made a deal with the Soviets that he would cut the Mujahideen off if the Soviets would leave Afghanistan. The last Soviet troops departed in early 1989. The US then turned its back on Afghanistan and allowed it to fall into civil war, as the radical Muslim factions fostered by Washington and Riyadh turned against one another and used their extensive weaponry on each other and on civilians.
In the meantime, Saddam, whom the US had built up as a major military power, invaded Kuwait. The Bush senior administration now had to take on its former protege, and put hundreds of thousands of US troops into the Gulf and Saudi Arabia. The radical Muslim extremists with whom Reagan and Bush had allied in Afghanistan now turned on the US, objecting strenuously to a permanent US military presence in the Muslim holy land.
From 1994 Afghanistan was increasingly dominated by a faction of Mujahideen known as Taliban or seminary students (who were backed by Pakistani military intelligence, which learned the trick from Reagan and which were flush from all those billions the Reagan administration had funneled into the region). In 1996 Bin Laden came back and reestablished himself there, becoming the leader of 5,000 radical Arab volunteers that Reagan had urged Fahd to help come to Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
In the meantime, the US had steadfastly supported Israeli encroachments on the Palestinian Occupied Territories and the gradual complete annexation of Jerusalem, the third holiest city to Muslims.
Since the outbreak of the first intifada, Israeli troops had riposted with brutality. Even after the Oslo accords were signed, the size of Israeli colonies in the Palestinian West Bank and around Jerusalem doubled.
A steady drumbeat of violence against Palestinians by Israelis, as a response to a continual campaign of café and bus bombings, clearly intended to monopolize their sacred space and enraged the Muslim radicals that had been built up and coddled by Reagan.
In 1998, al-Qaeda and al-Jihad al-Islami, two small terrorist groups established in Afghanistan as a result of the Reagan jihad, declared war on the United States and Israel (the "Zionists and Crusaders") in the middle east. After attacks by al-Qaeda cells on US embassies in East Africa and on the USS Cole, nineteen of them ultimately used jet planes to attack the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, a fact that is still in contention given various contradictions of information of the event.
The Bush administration responded to these attacks by the former proteges of Ronald Reagan by putting the old Mujahideen warlords back in charge of Afghanistan's provinces, allowing Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to escape, declaring that Americans no longer needed a Bill of Rights, and suddenly invading another old Reagan protege, Saddam's Iraq, which had had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed no threat to the US. The name given this bizarre set of actions by Bush was "the War on Terror."
In Iraq, the US committed many atrocities, including bombing campaigns on civilian quarters of cities it had already occupied, and a ferocious assault on Fallujah, and tortured Iraqi prisoners.
In the meantime, the Bush administration put virtually no money or effort into actually combatting terrorist cells in places like Morocco, as opposed to putting $200 billion into the Iraq war and aftermath. As a result, a string of terrorist attacks were allowed to strike at Madrid, London and elsewhere.
Fred Ikle, who had been part of the Reaganist/Chinese Communist effort to convince Muslim fundamentalist generals in Pakistan--against their better judgment-- to allow the US to give the radical Muslim extremists even more sophisticated weapons, wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal urging the nuking of Mecca.
Then in July, 2005, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced that there was not actually any "War on Terror:" ' General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the National Press Club on Monday that he had "objected to the use of the term 'war on terrorism' before, because if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as being the solution." ' (Question: Does this mean we can have the Bill of Rights back, now?)
The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists.
http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisk...upon-time.html
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
what a truly lovely story; i wish every idiot Red-state american would read it and believe it b/c its the sad mothafucking truth!
btw like the bumper-sticker says; "Bush knew 9/11"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG204A.html
I know, it's funny how it's all history and yet the neocons are beating their chest about how terrorism is a fight of the righteous against evil that popped out of nowhere.
It's hilarious! That's why I sayd "If America would stop creating the monsters it then has to fight, I could take the country more seriously"
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
I think it was that asshole Jimmy cracked corn Carter who started this mess, not President Reagan.
Carter didn't do squat, he just happened to be president when the Iranian mullahs revolted against the US installed dictator, Shah Rezam, and tossed him out on his ass and then took a bunch of yanks hostage.
Funding, arming, and fueling the middle east/south american crazies was reagan's baby. Hello, Iran/Contra scandal?
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
that's the scariest bedtime story I've ever heard.
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Still wouldn't change their minds. For one thing, the article probably has too many big words in them for the average Red Stater to digest. I have lived in Red states all my life, and I know what these folks are like.Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland
If the CIA would stop messing in other countries leadership and we had minded our own business none of this would have happened...
Never have understood why we have the CIA. All they do is get us into trouble.
Ya. That's the right.
"Conservatism" in its current incarnation evolves circa 1980 . . .
and the ancient Middle East and its millennia of bloody cutthroat history was fabricated shortly thereafter.
Sad thing is, many not only listen to but believe the voices in their heads.
Bush. It was all Bush, and I can prove it:
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Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
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And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
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And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
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And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
See? Told you so. it's all there in Exodus 3:1-4, and it's all becasue of Bush.
Spare me. Really.
Go Team Israel! Smite 'em down those Hezzbullies real good!
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Last edited by ultrafabviolet; July 17th, 2006 at 09:12 PM.
Don't be ridiculous, Stephen: wearing a helmet does not make it "safe," and the answer is still "no."
It's historically accurate, sorry if it's too painful for you to absorb all at once. Perhaps smaller, bite sized pieces would be to your liking?
Conservatism from the 80's grew from the 1970's, when Wolfowitz and his likeminded, goatheaded freaks started their doctrine of unilateral American intervention around the globe to push back "the evil red menace" of the Soviets, a threat that was mostly a mirage of their own making, except they started believing their own bullshit. So off they went, doing 'good' in the world and trying to rid it of tyrants, all while deposing legal governments, conveniently forgetting to not associate with tyrants that suited their purposes or arming/funding said tyrants and nutjobs for short term strategic/political gain.
Go team SANITY: prevail over these militaristic assholes on either side, and the mouthbreathers who push that mindset as a strategy that has never solved much of anything.
Spare ME the historical revisionism or scorn heaped upon facts by those who are unwilling to acknowledge what led us to the point we now find ourselves at.
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
I love this thread.
^^ If you love it so much, how come you killed it?![]()
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beeyotchio u are high damnit!![]()
omg or drinkin' and i dont remember a "drunk posting nite" being announced!![]()
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