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    Neo-Nazi and white supremacist hate groups are taking advantage of relaxed recruiting standards to infiltrate the US military to get combat training, a civil rights group reported.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks domestic extremists groups, called on US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to adopt a zero-tolerance policy toward white supremacist groups in the military.

    "Neo-Nazi groups and other extremists are joining the military in large numbers so they can get the best training in the world on weapons, combat tactics and explosives," said Mark Potok, director of the center's Intelligence Project.

    "We should consider this a major security threat, because these people are motivated by an ideology that calls for race war and revolution. Any one of them could turn out to be the next Timothy McVeigh," he said.

    McVeigh was the decorated Gulf War veteran and white supremacist who detonated a truck bomb outside a federal office building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in April 1995, killing 168 people.

    After the Oklahoma City bombing and incidents involving active duty troops, the Pentagon took steps to keep racist extremists from the ranks.


    But the center said standards have been relaxed because of wartime recruiting pressures, allowing large numbers of people with links to neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups to join the military.

    It cited neo-Nazi and white supremacist publications that encourage their followers to join the military to get combat training.

    The report quoted a Defense Department gang investigator, Scott Barfield, as saying neo-Nazis "stretch across all branches of service, they are linking up across the branches once they're inside, and they are hard-core."

    "We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," he was quoted as saying. "That's a problem."

    "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members," Barfield said.

    A Pentagon spokesman acknowledged there have been incidents involving gang-related graffiti, but said dealing with it was the responsibility of military commanders.

    "Good order and discipline is the responsbility of commanders and to the extent there are any activities that are inconsistent with good order and discipline it is incumbent upon the commanders to address those," said spokesman Bryan Whitman.

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    Default Re: Neo-Nazis have infiltrated the US military

    well i'm sorry, but who else would you expect to join the military; only the extremely destitute w/ no where else to turn and/or the extremely brainless and Nazis are the latter thats for sure so let them go over to Iraq to die!

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    Hah, the neocons in here are going to roast you for that one
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    well its true! what educated person of means decides to join the military for that paltry pay for hard physical work and chance of deployment?!?

    Those w/o opportunity and/or the brainless who sign up right out of fucking high school leaving their Walmart cashier pregnant girlfriends behind w/ the promise of marriage and a "future" when they return. *shrugs* i guess i've seen it so many times i just don't know no better.

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    Default Re: Neo-Nazis have infiltrated the US military

    Quote Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland
    well i'm sorry, but who else would you expect to join the military; only the extremely destitute w/ no where else to turn and/or the extremely brainless and Nazis are the latter thats for sure so let them go over to Iraq to die!
    That has to be the most ignorant thing I've heard but you're entitled to your opinion. I found the most idiotic people I served with came from the south and certain areas of southern california and they came in all colors, shapes and sizes.

    As for the "let them go over there to iraq to die" comment: that's just plain stupid and if someone you cared about were over there, you would eat your words.

    p.s. i'm not a neocon- i'm an independant conservative

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    The neocons can attack all they want. It's true. It is a popular choice for those with little other opportunities (the poor) and the blindly patriotic, and now it's bringing out other loonies like Neo Nazis. My father himself was one of the former--he enlisted in the Navy as soon as my parents found out they were pregnant with me. Otherwise, all he would have had was a dead-end low-paying factory job at the Tony Llama Boot Co. How does that song go: Why do they always send the poor? It really is true.

    I was none too pleased when they deployed my dad to the Gulf War in the 1990's.

    Coming from a military family actually made me anti-military. I never saw the military as an opportunity. Mostly I saw it as the U.S. gov't treating hard-working, socio-economically challenged people as a disposable commodity which was used unwisely and carelessly.

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    you people FORGET that its a volunteer force and more people join for the weaponry training and benefits NOT all these stupid, ignorant statements like "oh, i'm poor and have no opportunities besides uncle sam". Some of you are really speaking out of ignorance on this one.

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    Default Re: Neo-Nazis have infiltrated the US military

    Generally, benefits ARE something to be sought after if you're disadvantaged.
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    ^again, you're trying to paint a false picture of the U.S. military. I'm not from a poor background at all but I certainly appreciated getting the VA home loan and the GI bill.

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    really ? do you enjoy any of these benefits too?

    Iraq vets face another battle -- homelessness
    'This is not what I fought for'

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Herold Noel had nowhere to call home after returning from military service in Iraq. He slept in his Jeep, taking care to find a parking space where he wouldn't get a ticket.

    "Then the nightmares would start," says the 26-year-old former Army private first class, who drove a fuel truck in Iraq. "I saw a baby decapitated when it was run over by a truck -- I relived that every night."

    Across America on any given evening, hundreds of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan like Noel are homeless, according to government estimates.

    The reasons for their plight are many. For some, residual stress from daily insurgent attacks and roadside bombs makes it tough to adjust to civilian life; some can't navigate government assistance programs; others simply can't afford a house or apartment.

    They are living on the edge in towns and cities big and small, from Washington state to California and Florida. Some of the hardest hit are in New York City, where housing costs "can be very tough," says Peter Dougherty, head of the federal government's Homeless Veterans Program. Studio apartments routinely exceed $1,000 a month -- no small sum for veterans trying to land on their feet.

    As a member of the National Guard, Nadine Beckford patrolled New York train stations after the September 11 attacks then served a treacherous year in the Gulf region.

    But when she returned home from Iraq, she found her storage locker had been emptied of all of her belongings, and her bank account had been depleted. She believes her boyfriend took everything and "just vanished."

    Six months after her return to America, she lives in a homeless shelter in Brooklyn, sharing a room with eight other women and attending a job training program. Her parents live in Jamaica and are barely making ends meet, she says.

    "I'm just an ordinary person who served. I'm not embarrassed about my homelessness, because the circumstances that created it were not my fault," says Beckford, 30. She was a military-supply specialist at a U.S. base in Iraq -- a sitting duck for around-the-clock attacks "where hell was your home."

    It was a "hell" familiar to Noel during his eight months in Iraq. But it didn't stop when he returned home to New York last year and couldn't find a job to support his wife and three children. Without enough money to rent an apartment, he turned to the housing programs for vets, "but they were overbooked," Noel says.

    While he was in Iraq, his family had lived in military housing in Georgia.

    In New York, they ended up in a Bronx shelter "with people who were just out of prison, and with roaches," Noel says. "I'm a young black man from the ghetto, but this was culture shock. This is not what I fought for, what I almost died for. This is not what I was supposed to come home to."

    Outreach falls short
    There are about 200,000 homeless vets in the United States, according to government figures. About 10 percent are from either the 1991 Gulf War or the current one, about 40 percent are Vietnam veterans, and most of the others served when the country was not officially at war.

    "In recent years, we've tried to reach out sooner to new veterans who are having problems with post-traumatic stress, depression or substance abuse, after seeing combat," says Dougherty. "These are the veterans who most often end up homeless."

    About 350 nonprofit service organizations are working with the Department of Veterans Affairs to help veterans.

    But the veterans still land on a hard bottom line: Almost half of America's 2.7 million disabled veterans receive $337 or less a month in benefits, according to the government. Fewer than one-tenth are rated 100 percent disabled, meaning they get $2,393 a month, tax free.

    "And only those who receive that 100 percent benefit rating can survive in New York," says J.B. White, a 36-year-old former Marine who served with a National Guard unit in Iraq. His colon was removed after he was diagnosed with severe ulcerative colitis, which civilian medical experts believe started in Iraq under the stress of war.

    "I'd be homeless if it weren't for the support of my family," says White, who is trying to win benefits from the VA. He also helps others, like Beckford, as head of a Manhattan-based social service agency that finds non-government housing for vets.

    'Take care of the soldiers'
    Noel now attends a program to get work in studio sound production. He was the protagonist of the documentary film "When I Came Home," which was named best New York-made documentary at the Tribeca Film Festival this year.

    Just after the news reports about his plight, he learned the government was granting him the 100 percent disability compensation he sought -- after being turned down.

    Noel doesn't blame the Army, which "helped make my dreams come true," he says, recalling the military base life in Georgia and in Korea that his family enjoyed before his deployment to Iraq.

    "I had a house, a car -- they gave me everything they promised me," he says. "Now it's up to the government and the people we're defending to take care of their soldiers."

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    ^is that supposed to shock me? There are programs accross America that are assisting these veterans that didn't exist in Vietnam or the 91 Gulf war. Of course, it's much easier to think of the average G.I. as a peg legged homeless drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyPool
    you people FORGET that its a volunteer force and more people join for the weaponry training and benefits NOT all these stupid, ignorant statements like "oh, i'm poor and have no opportunities besides uncle sam". Some of you are really speaking out of ignorance on this one.
    I don't think there's anything stupid or ignorant about recognizing that many people choose the military for the advantages it gives you (a decent wage, health benefits, etc.)

    If the choice is poverty and possibly not being able to feed your family or the military, who would choose poverty? Those who would rather live off welfare checks? Those are crappy options, but the best deal is the military and people take the risk out of necessity.

    Now, if what you're saying is that the Neo-Nazis are a completely different segment of military recruits, I agree with you. The motivations are worlds apart.

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    ^Your statement is not on par with the original statement i'm responding to. The statement that was made earlier was made out of hatred not rational thinking like your post.

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    um no i don't hate the military; i just think ppl who join it are stupid for being used as pawns in a chess game by the world's few elite.

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    ^um, yeah, you specifically said "let them go over to iraq to die". You say that around any military person and that will be translated into "i hate the military".

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