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    Exclamation Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.

    The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.

    ``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This undermines that assertion.''

    The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store data on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been filed over claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone companies, violated the privacy rights of their customers by cooperating with the NSA in an effort to track alleged terrorists.

    ``The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither confirm nor deny AT&T's participation in the alleged NSA program because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national security' and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,'' AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.

    U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman Don Weber declined to comment.

    Pioneer Groundbreaker

    The NSA initiative, code-named ``Pioneer Groundbreaker,'' asked AT&T unit AT&T Solutions to build exclusively for NSA use a network operations center which duplicated AT&T's Bedminster, New Jersey facility, the court papers claimed. That plan was abandoned in favor of the NSA acquiring the monitoring technology itself, plaintiffs' lawyers Bruce Afran said.

    The NSA says on its Web site that in June 2000, the agency was seeking bids for a project to ``modernize and improve its information technology infrastructure.'' The plan, which included the privatization of its ``non-mission related'' systems support, was said to be part of Project Groundbreaker.

    Mayer said the Pioneer project is ``a different component'' of that initiative.

    Mayer and Afran said an unnamed former employee of the AT&T unit provided them with evidence that the NSA approached the carrier with the proposed plan. Afran said he has seen the worker's log book and independently confirmed the source's participation in the project. He declined to identify the employee.

    Stop Suit

    On June 9, U.S. District Court Judge P. Kevin Castel in New York stopped the lawsuit from moving forward while the Federal Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation in Washington rules on a U.S. request to assign all related telephone records lawsuits to a single judge.

    Robert Varettoni, a spokesman for Verizon, said he was unaware of the allegations against AT&T and declined to comment.

    Earlier this week, he issued a statement on behalf of the company that Verizon had not been asked by the NSA to provide customer phone records from either its hard-wired or wireless networks. Verizon also said that it couldn't confirm or deny ``whether it has any relationship to the classified NSA program.''

    The case is McMurray v. Verizon Communications Inc., 06cv3650, in the Southern District of New York.

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    This is important because, if true, it negates Bush's entire argument that the spying was needed to fight the war on terror. There was no war on terror before September 11, so why did Bush reportedly decide to start the process enabling him to illegally spy on Americans?
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    Default Re: Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    You are way too involved in America's business. Either there is a little 'merica in you or you have an agenda. Are you a reporter?

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    Default Re: Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    Good find Grimm. Just as I always suspected.

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    Default Re: Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyPool
    You are way too involved in America's business. Either there is a little 'merica in you or you have an agenda. Are you a reporter?
    Oh come on.. no comment on the actual content of the article? This is an incredible piece of information, considering all the civil rights he's trampled on, using the 9/11 excuse which turns out to be a fraud!
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    Default Re: Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    I agree that our civil rights are being messed with but Bush has to get information from these scumbags so what are we to do? Part of me thinks that its the Bush administration against the world while we americans sit around like a bunch of patsy's- i.o.w. like a bunch of canadians.

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    Default Re: Bush has been spying on you since BEFORE 9/11

    Pfft. We're not the ones up to our mullets in Iraq quagmire
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