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    Why Don't Liberals Sacrifice For The War Effort?

    From the outset of our war on terror, liberal spokesmen have claimed that this war is not a "real" war since we Americans have not had to make sacrifices that were made during wars such as WW II. Well, I have two suggestions for sacrifice.

    First: Agree to oil drilling in Alaska so that our money will no longer be given to Islamic oil producing countries that are supporting terrorists and making nuclear bombs they boast will be used against us.

    Second: Quit demanding those ersatz "civil liberties" that stop our government's ability to listen in on telephone calls from Al Qaeda to sleeper cells located here planning our destruction.

    For me, the above would not constitute sacrifice since I believe that terrorists have no U.S. civil rights, and in time of war, we must spy on the enemy. But for liberals, this would be a great sacrifice on their behalf for the war effort.

    For me, the aforementioned would not constitute sacrifice since I believe that even during peace- time we should drill in U.S. regions with abundant oil. After all, that's why God put it there -- to be used. Oil is not there for beauty's sake. But for liberals, it would constitute a sacrifice helpful to the war effort.

    I bet that even the caribou would be willing to make the sacrifice of moving a tad down the road to make way for the pipeline.

    But liberals will not desist from their gods, even in face of war. The "environment" and full citizen- rights for even Afghan terrorists are not to be compromised. Political positions can't be sacrificed, for they are what makes a left liberal a liberal. Without these beliefs, liberals would loose their sense of self. It is their very personhood.

    I know of the true sacrifices of young American soldiers around the world fighting jihadism and that of senior officers and their families. I'll bet that hardly any of those serving are left wing ideologues.

    Not to mention the excruciating sacrifice all of us daily make when listening to the never ending rants and carping against America on radio and TV by liberals who seem unable to shut up. Talk about noise pollution!

    When liberals talk of "sacrifice" what they mean is what they always mean and want -- all the time: Higher taxes. Redistribution of wealth. It's all a ruse, just another way to coerce the American people to institute left wing policies. So don't be snookered.

    In typical liberal fashion, liberals are always out front moralizing to we "unaanointed" plebians about the sacrifices we must make for the "common good" of which they are always exempt. Our chidren must be bused, while their children go to toney private schools. Our values must be sacrificed so as to institute their vision of how society should look and behave.

    We, the United States, must "understand" terrorists and criminals, and the average Joe should have his money, that which he earned, redistributed to those constituencies liberals feel are worthy of the fruits of his hard work. Your money is not to be spent by you directly for your children but to causes liberals deem more important.

    Islamic demonstrators holding up posters here and in Europe calling for Death to Westerners and announcing a soon-to-come Holocaust against Christians and Jews are defended as Free Speechers, and woe to the "unenlightened" among us who finds unacceptable such public calls for our death by the newly arrived living in our countries. But speech decrying homosexual marriage or warning of Islamic imperialism is labeled hate speech and "dangerous" to society.

    The "common good" of which they now speak, their latest political buzz phrase, is not about doing what is necessary physically to protect the American people from jihadist threats, rather a phony, high sounding ideal for renewed social engineering, i.e., taking away your liberties and religious beliefs, unless Islamic ones. For the "religion of peace", we must show, they tell us, the utmost respect. Witness the reverence with which they've greeted the Iranian letter to President Bush teaching us what Jesus would have done and that now is the time for all in the world to ready themselves for the return of "the Muslim Prophet".

    The Left never changes its goal, and no matter how much we surrender, they will not be satisfied short of a European socialism, with themselves filling the top posts.

    Every new situation is fodder for simply sneaking in their agenda. It will always be so, for they do not like the America we love. In fact, truth be told, they don't like our values. Worse, they don't like us. Perhaps that's why they don't sacrifice for us. After all, our French is so bad.

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    this war is not a "real" war since we Americans have not had to make sacrifices that were made during wars such as WW II.
    Who in the hell ever said that?
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    Exactly, Lobelia. It's a real war all right. The holocaust, however, that never existed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobelia
    Who in the hell ever said that?
    I do think that there are segments of society today that have no real "attachment" (if that would be the term to use?) to this war, because they have been raised on sound-bites and MTV. Since the situation has gone on longer than a few days they can no longer absorb it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphinium
    I do think that there are segments of society today that have no real "attachment" (if that would be the term to use?) to this war, because they have been raised on sound-bites and MTV. Since the situation has gone on longer than a few days they can no longer absorb it.
    So? That's a different debate: The Legitimacy of the War in Iraq. Not whether it's real or not.

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    Protesting aside, I think young people of any era tend to be less interested in war and politics than those who are more mature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobelia
    Protesting aside, I think young people of any era tend to be less interested in war and politics than those who are more mature.
    I agree, and some (not all) of the younger generation who are "involved" (if you can call it that) in protesting the war, are more prostesting society in general ('I'll show you!') rather than really grasping the bigger picture.

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    This is such a crock of crap. I know I have no intention of "making sacrifices" for the war because I never supported it in the first place.

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    I don't think the Great American Public (Rep or Dem) gives a shit about the war because it's happening a long way away in a forn country full of Ayrabs so unless they have loved ones serving in the military it does not affect their daily lives in any way whatsoever. Also, because the media coverage is so completely sanitised and censored by the Govmint even those who want the truth have a hard time finding it.
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    I'm concerned about the troops over there, but I'm not prepared to "make sacrfices" for a war that I believe is essentially immoral.

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    First: Agree to oil drilling in Alaska so that our money will no longer be given to Islamic oil producing countries that are supporting terrorists and making nuclear bombs they boast will be used against us.
    First, do some fucking research and face reality that ITS A FUCKING NATURE PRESERVE, and that you'd only squeeze about 1 or 2 years worth of oil out of it. Will that end dependence on middle east oil? Of course not. Does the US get half its oil from Canada anyway?

    YES.

    Second: Quit demanding those ersatz "civil liberties" that stop our government's ability to listen in on telephone calls from Al Qaeda to sleeper cells located here planning our destruction.
    Funny, i thought that's what made america AMERICA. You know, that funny thing called civil rights? Right to privacy? Hello, Bueller? You give that away, and the evil terrorists have won.

    Fucking nazi retard who wrote this should be strung up for treason. What a moron.

    For me, the aforementioned would not constitute sacrifice since I believe that even during peace- time we should drill in U.S. regions with abundant oil. After all, that's why God put it there -- to be used. Oil is not there for beauty's sake. But for liberals, it would constitute a sacrifice helpful to the war effort.
    And in a nutshell, this is the argument. GOD WILLS OIL TO BE BURNED AND HIS PLANET HE CREATED TO BE PLUNDERED ALL FOR AMERICA.

    This article is fucking stupid, the content is fucking stupid, the person who wrote it is fucking stupid, and the people that re-post it are pretty fucking stupid by proxy.

    DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH.
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    We ARE all sacrificing; Bush's WhimWar is costing 10 BILLION a month. As a taxpayer, I object to my revenue being used to finish his campaign commercial war. As for the deaths Bush's war has caused, he will answer to God alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    First, do some fucking research and face reality that ITS A FUCKING NATURE PRESERVE, and that you'd only squeeze about 1 or 2 years worth of oil out of it. Will that end dependence on middle east oil? Of course not. Does the US get half its oil from Canada anyway?

    YES.

    Funny, i thought that's what made america AMERICA. You know, that funny thing called civil rights? Right to privacy? Hello, Bueller? You give that away, and the evil terrorists have won.

    Fucking nazi retard who wrote this should be strung up for treason. What a moron.

    This article is fucking stupid, the content is fucking stupid, the person who wrote it is fucking stupid, and the people that re-post it are pretty fucking stupid by proxy.

    DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH.
    First off all Grimm, once again WHY do you insist on throwing around insults just because someone posts an item that doesn't agree with your world-view. Can't you ever just post what you think without throwing in all the trash talk?!

    Anyway, I agree we should not be so dependent on oil, our own or other countries'. We should instead be focusing on non-oil sources of energy and power. But at the same time, why not find "earth-friendly" ways to drill for oil in Alaska and elsewhere?

    And as far as the wire-tapping or bank-record related monitoring the govt. does, once again, if a person has nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about.

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    No, honey, it's not that I don't agree with it.

    I can live with that.

    It's that it's FACTUALLY INCORRECT. WHy is it neocons love to wield their ignorance like it's a weapon?

    And as far as the wire-tapping or bank-record related monitoring the govt. does, once again, if a person has nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about.
    Yeah yeah, said by citizens in all fascist states before they or someone near them were hauled off. You need history lessons. Ive said this multiple times.

    I bet Maher Arar had nothing to worry about either, yet he was sent off and tortured for a year.

    Your argument crumbles.

    If you give up what makes your nation great, then you've lost. Seems you're happy to do it.

    You haven't the faintest clue what it is to be a *real* american. Fuck, I have more of an idea. How sad is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    No, honey, it's not that I don't agree with it.

    I can live with that.

    It's that it's FACTUALLY INCORRECT. WHy is it neocons love to wield their ignorance like it's a weapon?



    Yeah yeah, said by citizens in all fascist states before they or someone near them were hauled off. You need history lessons. Ive said this multiple times.

    I bet Maher Arar had nothing to worry about either, yet he was sent off and tortured for a year.

    Your argument crumbles.

    If you give up what makes your nation great, then you've lost. Seems you're happy to do it.

    You haven't the faintest clue what it is to be a *real* american. Fuck, I have more of an idea. How sad is that?
    Grimm, back during WW2 there certainly was censorship in the press to protect state secrets, and individuals were expected to NOT talk about items which could help the enemy. Letters home were censored etc. These are the types of sacrifices that NEED to be made during a time of war, and if someone doesn't abide by the instruction to do so, they are not only endangering themselves BUT everyone else by their selfish acts.

    The NY Times may have had the "right" to publish that information, but they should NOT have done so. If the reporter, editor etc. who decided to run that story want to risk their lives and that of their families fine, but the problem is that they made a decision unilaterally to risk the lives of every other American and they do not have the "right" to do that.

    Bottom line, we need to win this war on terror or else we run the risk of living in constant danger like the Israelies do. I for one, do not want to have a country where going out to lunch at a cafe could lead to death by homicide bomber. Yes there are risks in life, but those types of risks we should not have to live with.

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