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    Default Al Gore's Propoganda Meltdown Philadelphia Daily News 6/27


    By JOSEPH BAST

    A FRIEND invited me to a screening of "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's film about global warming, when it arrived in Chicago recently. It was sponsored by an environmental group and the theater was filled with Gore fans. They seemed to love it. I found it frightening.

    In the style of a previous generation of propaganda films, Gore substitutes vivid images of the alleged effects of global warming for an accurate account of the scientific debate. We see glaciers calving into the sea, giant storms sweeping through resort areas, burning deserts, even a cartoon polar bear swimming aimlessly, searching for a place to rest.

    But all of the events in this movie have been occurring since before human activities could possibly have caused them. Glaciers have broken off into seas for millions of years; storms obviously predate modern civilization and its emissions, and real-life polar bears know better than to head into open water during the Arctic summer. At any given time in earth's history, some glaciers have been expanding while others were shrinking.

    Early in the movie, Gore shows us images of Mount Kilimanjaro's disappearing snow cap and blames the loss on global warming. But scientists say the disappearing snow is due to changes in land use at the bottom of the mountain, causing drier air to rise up the mountainside.

    Later, we see ice melting in the Arctic, Greenland and the Antarctic. More evidence of global warming? Not necessarily. Scientists say temperatures in the Arctic were higher during the 1930s and the current melting is probably part of a natural cycle caused by ocean currents, not greenhouse gases. And only small parts of Greenland and the Antarctic are melting: Snow and ice are accumulating as rapidly in other parts, for a net loss of around zero.

    Gore ignores these inconvenient facts because, he says, the only people who disagree with him are oil-company stooges. At one point, he compares scientists who disagree with him to apologists for the tobacco industry.

    So what are we to make of Tim Ball at the University of Winnipeg, Robert Balling at Arizona State, Sallie Baliunas at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Bob Carter at James Cook University in Australia, Randall Cerveny at Arizona State, John Christy at the University of Alabama, Robert Davis at the University of Virginia, Christopher Essex at the University of Western Ontario, Oliver Frauenfeld at the University of Colorado, Wibjörn Karlèn at Stockholm University and Christopher Landsea at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?

    And David Legates at the University of Delaware, Henry Linden at IIT, Richard Lindzen at MIT, Ross McKitrick at the University of Guelph, Patrick Michaels at the University of Virginia, Dick Morgan at the University of Exeter, Tim Peterson at Carleton University, Roger Pielke Jr. at the University of Colorado, Eric Posmentier at Dartmouth, Willie Soon at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center, Roy Spencer at the University of Alabama and Boris Winterhalter at the University of Helsinki?

    All are respected authorities on climatology, working at respected universities, who appear regularly in peer-reviewed science journals. Some, like Lindzen, are undisputed leading thinkers in their fields. Yet all dispute Gore's alarmist claims.

    So whom are you going to believe, Al Gore or real scientists?

    There are plenty of other errors and exaggerations in the movie, which people more expert than I are documenting and exposing. Suffice it to say, "An Inconvenient Truth" contains very little truth, and a big helping of propaganda.

    What frightens me is the probability that Al Gore himself believes the hype he's trying to sell. Those who've watched him give his PowerPoint presentation and have discussed it with him say he does.

    Everyone has the right to run for president, even several times, and apparently Gore plans to seek his party's nomination in 2008.

    But do we want to put the incredible powers of the presidency in the hands of what Eric Hoffer called a "true believer," someone who ignores evidence and opinions that contradict his faith?

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    There are plenty of 'real scientists' who have agendas and are full of crap on both sides. So who are 'the scientists' who dispute , lets say, the melting of the Kilimanjaro icecap? And how many of them think it is because of 'rising warm air due to land use changes'..versus how many think it is due to globar warming? Just because 'scientists' say something does not mean they do not have political beliefs and are not 'agenda driven', no matter how renown thye might be. I think I will look into the Kilimanjaro part of this just to find out. and of course will get back with my findings on this. I have s sneaking suspicion the 'land use excuse' is just that.

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    Default Re: AL GORE'S PROPAGANDA MELTDOWN Philladelphia Daily News 6/27

    I do think that there is global warming, but I am not convinced that it is as bad or permanent as alarmists would like us to think.

    at the same time, i have a very hard time taking any of them seriously when no one is really making any changes in our cars, homes etc.

    I for one would be more than willing to drive a hybrid which was affordable, use public transpo if it was available etc.

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    I believe global warming is real. You can show the raise of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, and it's just too much of a coincidence that it all just happened to start in the industrial revolution.

    I also believe that the planet goes through natural cycles of temperature change, but we're just accelerating it and taking it to extremes.

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    You can buy a honda civic hybrid, they aren't that pricey anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVZ
    I believe global warming is real. You can show the raise of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, and it's just too much of a coincidence that it all just happened to start in the industrial revolution.

    I also believe that the planet goes through natural cycles of temperature change, but we're just accelerating it and taking it to extremes.
    I also would like to see more effort going towards controlling the pollution output from places like China and India. These countries are by far worse polluters than the US or Europe.

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    Actually the US still produces 25% of the worlds greenhouse gasses. China and India are catching up, but not yet.
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    There's also alot of resentment from third world countries towards the US as well.

    "You burned all YOUR trees and polluted everything, and you're telling us not too?"

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    Pretty much, even though that's a self defeating stance to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleMonkey


    So what are we to make of Tim Ball at the University of Winnipeg, Robert Balling at Arizona State, Sallie Baliunas at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Bob Carter at James Cook University in Australia, Randall Cerveny at Arizona State, John Christy at the University of Alabama, Robert Davis at the University of Virginia, Christopher Essex at the University of Western Ontario, Oliver Frauenfeld at the University of Colorado, Wibjörn Karlèn at Stockholm University and Christopher Landsea at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?

    And David Legates at the University of Delaware, Henry Linden at IIT, Richard Lindzen at MIT, Ross McKitrick at the University of Guelph, Patrick Michaels at the University of Virginia, Dick Morgan at the University of Exeter, Tim Peterson at Carleton University, Roger Pielke Jr. at the University of Colorado, Eric Posmentier at Dartmouth, Willie Soon at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center, Roy Spencer at the University of Alabama and Boris Winterhalter at the University of Helsinki?

    All are respected authorities on climatology

    Who am I to argue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by equallydivided
    Who am I to argue?
    Hi equally, I don't recall seeing you around here before. nice to meet you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVZ
    There's also alot of resentment from third world countries towards the US as well.

    "You burned all YOUR trees and polluted everything, and you're telling us not too?"
    Well it is not like when most of that was happening we knew we were fucking up as badly as we were..no one really knew about global warming through most of the last century, now did they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JungleMonkey
    Hi equally, I don't recall seeing you around here before. nice to meet you.
    Nice to meet you too....(gives JM the Bush Vulcan salute) Not been here too terribly long, but long enough!

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    So what are we to make of Tim Ball at the University of Winnipeg, Robert Balling at Arizona State, Sallie Baliunas at Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Bob Carter at James Cook University in Australia, Randall Cerveny at Arizona State, John Christy at the University of Alabama, Robert Davis at the University of Virginia, Christopher Essex at the University of Western Ontario, Oliver Frauenfeld at the University of Colorado, Wibjörn Karlèn at Stockholm University and Christopher Landsea at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration?

    And David Legates at the University of Delaware, Henry Linden at IIT, Richard Lindzen at MIT, Ross McKitrick at the University of Guelph, Patrick Michaels at the University of Virginia, Dick Morgan at the University of Exeter, Tim Peterson at Carleton University, Roger Pielke Jr. at the University of Colorado, Eric Posmentier at Dartmouth, Willie Soon at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center, Roy Spencer at the University of Alabama and Boris Winterhalter at the University of Helsinki?

    All are respected authorities on climatology, working at respected universities, who appear regularly in peer-reviewed science journals. Some, like Lindzen, are undisputed leading thinkers in their fields. Yet all dispute Gore's alarmist claims.

    So whom are you going to believe, Al Gore or real scientists?
    So that's about 15 names out of a possible 20 thousand? I'd be very interested to know their political affiliations, and then where they get their grant money from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita
    Well it is not like when most of that was happening we knew we were fucking up as badly as we were..no one really knew about global warming through most of the last century, now did they?
    that is a good point. alot of the pollution we have today was introduced to the environment many years ago.

    Perhaps some of the countries out there would be better served if they looked at our situation and learned from it, rather than using it as an excuse to do the same exact thing.

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