Life begins 2 weeks before you even have sex, according to Arizona
So... women are always pregnant then? The fuck?Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.
The 18th week bill includes a new definition for when pregnancy begins. All of the bills passed the Senate and now head to Gov. Jan Brewer (R) for her signature or veto. Passage of the late-term abortion bill would give Arizona the earliest definition of late-term abortion in the country; most states use 20 weeks as a definition.
A sentence in the bill defines gestational age as "calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman," which would move the beginning of a pregnancy up two weeks prior to conception.
Elizabeth Nash, states issues manager for Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization in Washington, said the definition corresponds with how doctors typically determine gestational age. She said since the exact date of conception cannot be pinpointed, doctors use the day of the woman's last menstrual period to gauge the duration of a pregnancy. The method does not provide an exact date.
"It will have some impact, from what we understand there are abortions provided at that point in Arizona," Nash said. "It will reduce access."
Nash said nationally, 1.5 percent of abortions in the U.S. occur after the 21st week and 3.8 percent occur between the 16th and 20th weeks. She said the bill would violate U.S. Supreme Court rulings on abortion by mandating a cutoff date that is before viability and not having enough provisions for late-term abortions needed to protect a woman's health.
State Rep. Kimberly Yee (R-Phoenix), the bill's sponsor, was not immediately available for comment. Her assistant said that Yee, a former aide to former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R), was voting on the House floor.
State Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson), a physician, said he did not want the state to set the gestational age since science could not provide a precise one. "I imagine it will be a legal dispute. How can a judge determine gestational age?" Heinz said. "If medical science can only determine gestational age to within 10-14 days, how can a superior court judge do it?"
The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.
The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.
All three bills are now headed to Brewer's desk for her review. The governor has not announced a position on the bills, which is her practice, but her spokesman indicated that Brewer has a long commitment to pro-life issues.
Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins
How can other women in power put up with this shit? Why would any of them support this shit? Some seriously self loathing bitches in politics.
Also, people need to stop using "pro life" as a term. It's not "pro life". It's ANTI CHOICE.
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
Sperm meets egg = conception = pregnancy.
Sperm does not meet egg = no conception = no pregnancy.
Day one of last period = not pregnant. Because pregnant = no period. (Usually).
Wtf are these people thinking. No. MEN. What are these MEN thinking??? Have they never had basic biology lessons?
This is why women of childbearing age should be kept in convents until a suitable marriage can be arranged. It's really the safest way to go.
Given that the female governor supported this and will sign this, not a bad idea. Might be better to lock them in cages though.Originally Posted by BBDSP
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
I'm taking this shit with a grain of salt...here's why. I will spare the manifesto, until someone tells me to spill it (its so tinfoil hat'ish too).
There is a Republican agenda going on at the moment, to get Obama voted back in.
Gimme the short version as to why
I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.
Damn you mean I'm pregnant right now? Maybe I shouldn't have gotten shitfaced this weekend.
I am going to come and burn the fucking house down... but you will blow me first."
There is something afoot going on. The republicans are setting Obama up to be the fallguy for it. Obama has done pretty much jack shit the past four years, pissed a lot of Democrats off. If something big were to happen, and the President still acts like he does now, we are fucked. When 2016 rolls around, and the Republicans throw a person actually worth voting for, to clean up the mess, and maintain it. Scary shit right there.
Think about it. Santorum has a sick kid, yet he started this whole family values, pro-life crap. The hornet's nest was kicked, now he's left the running. With all these insane abortion bills being introduced, women across the country are fucking furious. We make up a nice chunk of the voting pool, piss us off, we will vote for the other guy. All of this abortion shit, imo, is basically just giving Obama a majority of the women voters votes. Then think about the pissed off Democrats, who would they vote for to get Obama out, the Mormon, or the guy with bad hair, neither is really worth the gas it takes to drive to the voting booths.
If the Republicans REALLY wanted to get into office this year, they probably could have, yet they just gave us Romney and Gingrich to pick from. As far as scheming, and political agendas go, imo Republicans are much better at it, than Democrats. So if the Republicans are just shooing Obama in, you can't say they aren't up to something.
As abhorrent as I find all three bills, this one disturbs me the most. Not only does it allow a doctor to withhold important medical information preventing the patient from making informed decisions (or plans if they CHOOSE to keep the child), but it also leaves the patient without the ability to sue for what is effectively malpractice. How can this bill even be legal?!?The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.
It is truly disgusting. It's like a doctor knowing you have cancer yet choosing not to tell you because they don't believe in Chemo.
I'm never moving to AZ. Thank goodness i could never deal with all that sun and heat!
That is how they determine gestational age, I never understood it. But it's just ridiculous in this context. Not surprising but insane all the same.
I'm still confuzzled about how Arizona is able to trump the US Supreme Court. What in the fuckity fuck is going on around here?!?
Also, if I'm reading this right, since they're saying the gestation starts during the last menstrual period, they are outlawing abortions at SIXTEEN WEEKS?? That, in my opinion, is NOT a late term abortion. Absolutely NO fetus would survive outside the womb at 16 weeks. I thought the whole late term abortion thing was about aborting babies that could be old enough to be viable outside the womb? Am I wrong???
I don't understand how this is legal. I really, truly don't. When I was pregnant with my son, I was considered high risk (infertility, PCOS, two previous miscarriages). I was URGED by my reproductive endocrinologist (fertility doctor) to get the quad screen blood test and follow that up with at least two level 2 ultrasounds (basically 3D ultrasounds that show a LOT more detail than a regular ultrasound). When it came time for those things, I wasn't asked, nor did I have to ask my OB to get the quad screen test done ... he just simply wrote a script for it and told me it was time to get it done (we were anxious to anyway because my husband's aunt had severe spinal bifida). The same with my perinatoligist ... time to do the Level II. BOTH were to check for abnormalities and my 2nd Level II was after 20 weeks!!!
I had a good friend online who was older (past 40) and was trying IVF to conceive. Her first quad screen came back with Trisomy 18 (which is what Santorum's daughter has). She was devastated to say the least and they had multiple meetings with a genetic counselor. Trisomy 18 babies are lucky to make it out of the birth alive and the ones that do, a very high percentage of them die within hours of birth. It is extremely rare for them to live to be as old as Santorum's daughter. It's not a question of if they they will die, it's when. It's a horrible genetic defect and from what I read and from what my friend's genetic counselor said, if they do live outside the womb, they are in terrible pain and suffer as they are in and out of hospitals because their bodies are so weakened. She and her husband chose to abort.
It sickens me that all these laws are being passed, like the one that makes you watch the sonogram before the abortion (or was that overturned)? Or the state that wants you to carry your dead baby around until term and then go through the ordeal of birth ... I think it was one of the senators that said his farm animals carry dead young to term, so humans should have to too. I swear to God I don't know what shape emotionally I would be in if I had to carry my dead baby around for four or five months. I think I'd be in the loony bin for sure.
They do not trump the SC but as the court is currently constituted do you really think they would overturn these laws? Hell, they don't even have to agree to hear the case if someone tried to appeal these laws on the grounds of unconstitutionality. The composition of the SC is exactly why these sick fascists feel so confident they can throw pure shit against a wall and make it stick.
Don't fear the reefer..
I'm confused...I haven't even had sex recently, but does that mean I could be pregnant?
And of course Brewer will sign this in. Her body hasn't produced eggs in decades. She won't be affected by this.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
I don't really get how this is bad? Women usually don't know when they ovulated and conceived, pregnancy is always dated from the first day of your last cycle.
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