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    Red face Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

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    by John in DC - 5/09/2006 11:11:00 AM

    http://www.teambio.org/2006/05/army-...of-his-autism/

    I'm speechless.

    Jared didn’t know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him last fall — shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a Portland strip mall and complimented his black Converse All-Stars.

    “When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, `Well, that isn’t going to happen,”‘ said Paul Guinther, Jared’s father. “I told my wife not to worry about it. They’re not going to take anybody in the service who’s autistic.”

    But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he had not only enlisted, but signed up for the Army’s most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.


    And check out the other abuses:

    A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness were readily available.

    In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he'd be arrested.

    And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he'd dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.


    Yep, things are going really well.
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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    Not surprised. They have quotas to reach and lots of the guys signing up for the military cannot pass either the drug test or the ASFAB without help from the recruiters. Nothing will be done about this, it will be swept under the rug and continue on.

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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests



    we all look the same when we're dead.

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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    More special-needs meat for the military grinder.

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    we all look the same when we're dead.
    .. except you and I would have pretty Canadian flags
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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    Quote Originally Posted by SVZ


    we all look the same when we're dead.
    As a veteran I would like to see you get your ass kicked around the block for drill. I didn't realize this site was so anti-american.

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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    This is nothing new. There's a depressing article in Vanity Fair (Sept 05) about the tactics of US army recruiters and the clearly unsuitable kids they smoothtalk into the military with tragic results in order to meet their quotas.
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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    I was going to say the same thing, A*O (it's that mind control thing you've got on me again). I'll see if I can find a link.

    As a veteran I would like to see you get your ass kicked around the block for drill. I didn't realize this site was so anti-american.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyPool
    As a veteran I would like to see you get your ass kicked around the block for drill. I didn't realize this site was so anti-american.
    To me that picture is at most anti-war, not anti-American
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyPool
    As a veteran I would like to see you get your ass kicked around the block for drill. I didn't realize this site was so anti-american.
    Uh... how is that anti-american? If anything, it's anti-war, and pro humanity, pro unity, and pro-peace.

    I'd like to see you take a media comprehension course, and then some anger management classes so you can rid yourself of this ridiculous knee jerk reaction that anything against the war is automatically 'anti-american'.

    If i put up pictures of caskets with canadian flags on them, does that make me anti-canadian? No, it means I'm questioning the Afghani mission and its worth. Does that make me evil?

    Your country was founded on dissent and that right to dissent is enshrined in your constitution. If you'd rather see it removed, that makes you a fascist. If you label anybody who questions the actions of their government a traitor and 'unamerican', you're basically repeating what the Nazi's did. You're not that stupid, so stop pretending.

    As a veteran, maybe you should read a history book or 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    Uh... how is that anti-american? If anything, it's anti-war, and pro humanity, pro unity, and pro-peace.

    I'd like to see you take a media comprehension course, and then some anger management classes so you can rid yourself of this ridiculous knee jerk reaction that anything against the war is automatically 'anti-american'.

    If i put up pictures of caskets with canadian flags on them, does that make me anti-canadian? No, it means I'm questioning the Afghani mission and its worth. Does that make me evil?

    Your country was founded on dissent and that right to dissent is enshrined in your constitution. If you'd rather see it removed, that makes you a fascist. If you label anybody who questions the actions of their government a traitor and 'unamerican', you're basically repeating what the Nazi's did. You're not that stupid, so stop pretending.

    As a veteran, maybe you should read a history book or 2.

    First of all, screw you for comparing me to a Nazi. Your stupid little "maybe you should read a history book or 2" comment is pretty lame. Sorry you're Canadian, that's not my fault. I am not pro-war, I am not republican. You guys just don't understand what a flag represents or the soldiers who died defending it. Real life is happening outside of your romantic, poetic ideals of socialism and commie power. If everyone hates our country so much then why is everyone trying to get in and no one is fighting to get out? And what is your "country" going to do when the immigration invasion sucks everything out of our healthcare and welfare system and they make their way up to your doorstep? You'll probably take it dry - no lube required.

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    Debate is fine, but keep the rules of the forum in mind. Do NOT take it to the personal level.

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    First of all, screw you for comparing me to a Nazi. Your stupid little "maybe you should read a history book or 2" comment is pretty lame.
    Advocating that dissent should be stifled is fascist. Face reality. This is the part where you need to go back and read your history, because so far you're showing a shocking lack of education on the subject.

    Sorry you're Canadian, that's not my fault.
    No need to be sorry, even if it was your fault I'd thank you wholeheartedly.

    I am not pro-war, I am not republican. You guys just don't understand what a flag represents or the soldiers who died defending it.
    Yeah, it represents the ideals that your nation was founded on, including the right to dissent against the government.. hell, even overthrow it should the need arise. If soldiers are dying for a nation that no longer follows the ideals it was founded on then those soldiers are dying FOR NOTHING.

    So, would you rather be made very aware of the personal cost of war by those willing to sacrifice their lives for the ideals they're sent off for, or would you rather pretend it isn't happening and label anybody who questions the motives for conflict as 'unpatriotic'?

    Your choice. One is democratic. The other fascist. Tick tock.

    Real life is happening outside of your romantic, poetic ideals of socialism and commie power.
    Real life? Like the one you're presently advocating denying happening? Look at those flag draped coffins. That's real life. Face it. THEY. ARE. DEAD.

    Now ask WHY.

    The rest of that bit is just ignorant blather, some jarhead spouting propaganda and ridiculous sound bites that your gov has been spewing for the last 50 years. Commie pinko hippie liberalist, blah blah blah. Educate yourself please.

    If everyone hates our country so much then why is everyone trying to get in and no one is fighting to get out?
    Let's see: The most people trying to get into America = Mexicans. Not exactly a flattering scenario, considering how much of a pile of puke Mexico is.

    Secondly, why is that always thrown up as a petulant defense? What does that have to do with the topic at hand, the topic being dead soldiers and the unscrupulous methods to which army recruiters try to fill the quota?

    Oh right.

    NOTHING.

    And what is your "country" going to do when the immigration invasion sucks everything out of our healthcare and welfare system and they make their way up to your doorstep?
    I like the use of quotes, please continue to use them and be regarded as a foot-stamping infant.

    I hate to tell you, but we're a total patchwork of immigrants. We take in tons. Hell, Toronto itself is fully 1/2 immigrants, and we're all getting along just fine.

    Secondly, we pay pretty well to have the social safety nets to enjoy, on top of having a pretty efficient immigration department that is open to reform.

    So... want to stick to the topic at hand, or are you prepared to stuff your head in the sand while screaming USA! USA! and waving a little flag?

    Here, just so you don't feel singled out:





    You want to bet I'm asking WHY, and it's my patriotic DUTY as a Canadian to do so.

    I wouldn't surrender that privilege for anything, and I don't consider it anti-Canadian in any respect.
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    Default Re: Army recruiters forcibly sign autistic kid up; tell others how to cheat drug tests

    You also need to be asking why the US Govt does everything in its power to stop pictures of coffins of dead servicemen and women (flag-draped or not) being shown in the US media. The only mainstream publication that's had the courage to incur the full wrath of the Govt (and people like Dirty Pool) is Vanity Fair which published not only pictures of coffins, but also individual pictures of all the US service personnel who had died in Iraq. Page after page of optimistic, proud (dead) young men and women. It was very moving and an eloquent reminder of the sheer waste of this pointless war.

    Calling the morally bankrupt US Administration of Dubya and his Good Ole Boys to account is NOT the same as being anti-American. I like 'America' and all it stands for. I feel only contempt for the people running it at the moment.
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    If everyone hates our country so much then why is everyone trying to get in and no one is fighting to get out?
    Do I want to go live in the USA? With all due respect, heck no! There is nothing like the European countries' debt ridden social system
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    It's not like I'm the secretary of state or anything! I just love it when people chop up a post and feel they have to break it down Barney style. You're trying to label me as a hater and I'm not. I think Robert Frost said it best, "Good fences make good neighbors".

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