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    Thumbs down US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

    17 April 2006
    In an act of at least partial contrition, an officer in charge of the US military occupation of Babylon in 2003 and 2004 has offered to make a formal apology for the destruction his troops wrought on the ancient site.

    Colonel John Coleman, former chief of staff for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Iraq, said yesterday that if the head of the Iraqi antiquities board wanted an apology, "if it makes him feel good, we can certainly give him one".

    For more than a millennium, Babylon was one of the great cities of antiquity. It reached its greatest glory in the early 6th century BC, as the capital of Nebuchadnezzar II, builder of the celebrated Hanging Gardens.

    Babylon declined and fell into ruin after it was conquered by the Persians under Cyrus the Great in around 538BC. But no devastation seems to have matched that inflicted by US troops and their Polish allies after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

    Saddam himself had not helped. He had much of the ancient site rebuilt and developed as a tourist site as part of efforts to portray himself as Nebuchadnezzar's modern successor and turn Mesopotamia once more into a regional superpower. He built a contemporary ziggurat-shaped palace nearby and carved out an underground car park among archeological deposits.

    But after entering Babylon in April 2003, coalition forces turned the site into a base camp, flattening and compressing tracts of ruins as they built a helicopter pad and fuel stations. The soldiers filled sandbags with archeological fragments and dug trenches through unexcavated areas, while tanks crushed slabs of original 2,600-year-old paving.

    "All of these things have combined to do a lot of damage to what is one of the most important, sensitive archeological sites in the whole world," John Curtis, curator of the British Museum's Near East department, said last year.

    Col Coleman's repentance was qualified. "If it wasn't for our presence," he told the BBC, "what would the state of those archeological ruins be?" - a repeat of the US claim that had its forces not occupied ancient Babylon, the site would have been laid waste by looters.

    "Is there a price for the presence? Sure there is," he declared. "I'll just say that the price, had the presence not been there, would have been far greater."

    After US and Polish troops left in 2004, the first restoration plans for Babylon were drawn up. Last November Unesco, the United Nations' cultural and scientific organisation, said it would be carrying out some initial repair work, and setting up a photographic registry of the site.

    The work, in which France, Britain, Poland, the US, Iraq, Japan, Italy and the Netherlands are also involved, is being co-ordinated by the German Archaeological Institute, under the direction of the Iraqi authorities and Unesco.

    But Babylon is not the only point of archaeological controversy in a country with an estimated 10,000 sites. In a separate complaint, the Iraqi Ministry for Tourism and Antiquities has demanded that US troops pull out of the city of Kish, which dates back 5,000 years, accusing American forces of damaging the precious archaeological site.

    It accused the soldiers of preventing anyone from entering the city to assess damage. There has been no comment from the US military.

    * At least six Iraqi policeman died and up to 39 others were missing yesterday after insurgents ambushed a police convoy near a US base, officials said. Separately, a suicide car bomber outside Basra wounded four British soldiers at the Shuaiba military base, and killed at least one civilian.

    Archaeological cost of invasion

    * US Marines from the First Expeditionary Force first set up camp in Babylon in April 2003

    * Soldiers filled protective sandbags with sand containing ancient artefacts

    * 2,600-year-old pavements were crushed by heavy military vehicles

    * Landing helicopters caused structural damage to some of the city's ancient buildings and sandblasted fragile bricks in the palace of Nebuchadnezzar

    * Archaeologists say gravel brought in to build car parks and helipads has contaminated key sites

    * US troops have also been accused of causing damage to the 5,000-year-old city of Kish by the Iraqi Ministry for Tourism and Antiquities
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    fucking morons. this reminds me of the brits who burned down an ancient chinese palace.

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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    Who needs ancient Babylon, when you can have a FRESHLY PAVED PARKING LOT.
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    ^^^ AND a brand new Walmart
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    Yes, except in Iraq it would be Walachalachahaalalaaaal-Mart.
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    Another forehead slapper, thanks Grimm.
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    [nodding] Durka Burka Durka Durka
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    How gracious, classy and heartfelt an apology: "If it makes him feel good." And Americans wonder why nobody likes them any more? Did I miss something? Why did the base have to be built on the site exactly? Or was it just because it would piss people off?

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    don't hate us cause we are run by an asshole!!!
    Shit like this is such a fucking embarrassment. Asshole Bush and his useless, senseless invasion in the name of 'terror' when THERE WAS NO CONNECTION OF IRAQ AND 911 ..AND NO WMD!!! Fuck you Bush and your oil hungry ass!! ...our country will be ruined forever by the time we get him and his ilk out.
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    Well don't worry, you can just pave over it and start anew in your sparkly fresh parking lot of a country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    Well don't worry, you can just pave over it and start anew in your sparkly fresh parking lot of a country
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    I'm afraid that in true canadian tradition, i will have to defer that to a committee for review.
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    ^^Heehee. Don't worry, Soj. I know a lot of Americans don't support these idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze
    ^^Heehee. Don't worry, Soj. I know a lot of Americans don't support these idiots.
    but there really are SO MANY who do!!!! ...and so many of them are filthy rich and have tons of influence...*sigh* the apocalypse is approaching, better dig a hole and stock up on water, firearms, and canned goods...
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    Default Re: US troops bulldoze 2600 yr old ancient Babylon, say "sorry"

    It makes me sick to think of how many historical and artistic things are being ruined for this war. Does anyone remember those huge Buddhas that the Iraquis (I think it was them) dynamited because they thought they were "wrong" or something stupid. Beautiful huge tall statues blown up, and for what?
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