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    Court OKs in-state tuition for illegal immigrants - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com

    SAN FRANCISCO — The California Supreme Court weighed in Monday on the politically charged immigration fray when it ruled that illegal immigrants are entitled to the same tuition breaks offered to in-state high school students to attend public colleges and universities.

    While the ruling applies only to California, the case was closely watched nationally because nine other states, including New York and Texas, have similar laws.

    Republican congressmen Lamar S. Smith of Texas and Steve King of Iowa filed a so-called friends of the court brief urging that illegal immigrants be denied the reduced rate.

    The lawsuit considered by the court was part of a broader legal assault led by immigration legal scholar Kris Kobach, who has filed numerous cases across the country seeking to restrict the rights of illegal immigrants.

    He represented a group of U.S. students who filed the lawsuit seeking to invalidate the California law.

    A unanimous state Supreme Court, led by politically conservative Justice Ming Chin, said the California provision was constitutional because U.S. residents also had access to the reduced rates.

    The California Legislature passed the controversial measure in 2001 that allowed any student, regardless of immigration status, who attended a California high school for at least three years and graduated to qualify for in-state tuition at the state's colleges and universities. In-state tuition saves each state college student about $11,000 a year and each University of California student about $23,000 a year.

    A state appellate court ruled in 2008 the law was unconstitutional after a group of out-of-state students who are U.S. citizens filed a lawsuit. The suit alleged the measure violated federal prohibitions barring illegal immigrants from receiving post-secondary benefits not available to U.S. citizens based on state residency.

    However, the state Supreme Court noted the California law says nothing about state residency, a distinction that foes of the plan said shouldn't matter. The Sacramento-based Pacific Legal Foundation, which supports numerous political efforts, said the spirit of federal law was to deny tuition breaks to illegal immigrants.

    "This court has received many briefs making policy arguments for and against section 68130.5's tuition exemption. We have received arguments that section 68130.5 affords deserving students educational opportunities that would not otherwise be available and, conversely, arguments that it flouts the will of Congress, wastes taxpayers' money, and encourages illegal immigration," the Supreme Court ruling noted.

    "But this court does not make policy. Whether Congress's prohibition or the Legislature's exemption is good policy is not for us to say. Rather, we must decide the legal question of whether California's exemption violates Congress's prohibition or is otherwise invalid."

    Foundation attorney Ralph Kasarda, who submitted a friend-of-the-court brief in the case, said California was not in sync with the federal mandate against showing favoritism to illegal immigrants.

    "California's policy is also atrocious financial stewardship," he said.

    The state law also requires illegal immigrants who apply for the in-state tuition to swear they will attempt to become U.S. citizens. The applicants are still barred from receiving federal financial aid.

    "Through their hard work and perseverance, these students have earned the opportunity to attend UC," said University of California president Mark G. Yudof. "Their accomplishments should not be disregarded or their futures jeopardized."

    Kobach also failed to invalidate a similar law in Kansas. His lawsuit in Nebraska is pending.

    The law professor was the chief drafter of Arizona's tough new laws against illegal immigrants, which is pending before a federal appeals court.

    He was elected earlier this month to serve as secretary of state in Kansas.

    Democratic leaders in Washington, D.C., are mulling whether to try to pass immigration reform measures before they lose control of the House of Representatives in January.

    During his re-election campaign, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., promised to try to get a vote on the "DREAM Act," which would create a path to citizenship for youth living in the country illegally who attend college or join the military.

    White House spokesman Luis Miranda said the administration welcomes any opportunity for Congress to take up the proposal. The legislation "is important to both our national security and our economy," Miranda said.

    Meanwhile, retiring Republican Florida Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart is seeking a vote on proposed legislation giving states the option to allow illegal immigrant students to pay in-state tuition.

    "Allowing undocumented students to attend primary and secondary schools but requiring that they pay out-of-state tuition for college creates an unfair financial burden," Diaz-Balart said.

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    I think (and am prepared to be stoned for it) that there should be limitations on this for illegal immigrants. I mean, honestly, this one statement really cements it for me: A state appellate court ruled in 2008 the law was unconstitutional after a group of out-of-state students who are U.S. citizens filed a lawsuit. The suit alleged the measure violated federal prohibitions barring illegal immigrants from receiving post-secondary benefits not available to U.S. citizens based on state residency.

    Looks like what we're saying here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that California (in it's infinite financial savvy/wisdom) is willing to give this break to illegal immigrants but not to US citizens who live in other states? Or am I just reading this wrong?

    Now, I do know that it is beneficial for illegal immigrants to receive an education but at what cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    I think (and am prepared to be stoned for it) that there should be limitations on this for illegal immigrants. I mean, honestly, this one statement really cements it for me: A state appellate court ruled in 2008 the law was unconstitutional after a group of out-of-state students who are U.S. citizens filed a lawsuit. The suit alleged the measure violated federal prohibitions barring illegal immigrants from receiving post-secondary benefits not available to U.S. citizens based on state residency.

    Looks like what we're saying here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that California (in it's infinite financial savvy/wisdom) is willing to give this break to illegal immigrants but not to US citizens who live in other states? Or am I just reading this wrong?

    Now, I do know that it is beneficial for illegal immigrants to receive an education but at what cost?
    It would be interesting to know how many illegal immigrants would actually avail themselves of this deal if it goes through. Then, you could figure out, based on the differential number of new undocumented students vs. undocumented students who would be able to reduce their tuition, just how much this would cost the state of California. The thing is, California is already swimming in a sea of red ink. What is the rationale for adding more debt to the amount they already have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    It would be interesting to know how many illegal immigrants would actually avail themselves of this deal if it goes through. Then, you could figure out, based on the differential number of new undocumented students vs. undocumented students who would be able to reduce their tuition, just how much this would cost the state of California. The thing is, California is already swimming in a sea of red ink. What is the rationale for adding more debt to the amount they already have?
    Exactly. California should not be allowed to make decisions like this during a financial crisis such as this. I don't even know why it would be considered - all things considered.
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    The state law also requires illegal immigrants who apply for the in-state tuition to swear they will attempt to become U.S. citizens. The applicants are still barred from receiving federal financial aid.

    On the one hand, they are swearing and do not qualify for financial aid.

    On the other hand, they do not want to maybe think of going back to their country for University?

    I guess I am on the fence about this and am no way trying to be intolerant minded or anything. I am just literally on the fence about this is all.

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