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    Default Virginia Governor declares Confederate History Month

    Virginia's Republican Governor Bob McDonnell has declared April to be "Confederate History Month," the first time in 8 years that such a proclamation has been issued in the state.

    In the statement, McDonnell says that the Confederate history "should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered," and that its leaders "fought for their homes and communities and Commonwealth in a time very different than ours today."




    Here's a portion of the statement from McDonnell's website:

    WHEREAS, April is the month in which the people of Virginia joined the Confederate States of America in a four year war between the states for independence that concluded at Appomattox Courthouse; and

    WHEREAS, Virginia has long recognized her Confederate history, the numerous civil war battlefields that mark every region of the state, the leaders and individuals in the Army, Navy and at home who fought for their homes and communities and Commonwealth in a time very different than ours today; and [...]

    WHEREAS, this defining chapter in Virginia's history should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered by all Virginians, both in the context of the time in which it took place, but also in the context of the time in which we live, and this study and remembrance takes on particular importance as the Commonwealth prepares to welcome the nation and the world to visit Virginia for the Sesquicentennial Anniversary of the Civil War, a four-year period in which the exploration of our history can benefit all;

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, Robert McDonnell, do hereby recognize April 2010 as CONFEDERATE HISTORY MONTH in our COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, and I call this observance to the attention of all our citizens.


    McDonnell's two Democratic predecessors -- Mark Warner and Tim Kaine -- refused to issue such proclamations, the Washington Post reports.

    "Republican governors George Allen and Jim Gilmore issued similar proclamations. But in 2002, Warner broke with their action, calling such proclamations, a 'lightning rod' that does not help bridge divisions between whites and blacks in Virginia."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/confederate-history-month_n_527363.html

    Just one question: when the kids re-enact things, who plays the slaves?
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    I guess this is Virginia's first step toward an attempted secession.

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    Children should be taught the true and accurate history of the world and particularly the country they reside in. However, I have doubts that this will be taught in that manner and certainly doesn't need fanfare and will more likely show the Confederacy as nostolgic (sp? too lazy to check just now) kitch.

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    For whatever reason, this doesn't bother me that much. It is indeed a part of our history, and having lived in Virginia for many years, I can tell you there are a huge amount of civil war historical sites. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this is more about increasing tourism money than anything else.
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    They also seem to have done away with all anti-slavery language so it "draws tourists"

    Conservatives whitewashing history again
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    For whatever reason, this doesn't bother me that much. It is indeed a part of our history, and having lived in Virginia for many years, I can tell you there are a huge amount of civil war historical sites. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this is more about increasing tourism money than anything else.
    my aunt lives in Richmond. We'd visit from CA every summer, and every summer, the kids had all of the historical sites shoved down our throats, and i hated it.

    now? i wish i'd have paid more attention. Its interesting to me
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    I love Virginia.. I was conceived there in the back seat of a taxi cab, don't cha know? History is there every where, markers along side the road, historic buildings. Northern Virginia is much like Maryland and Washington D.C. but southern Virginia is soul inspiring. We don't have much history here to see, thank you Sherman, you arsonist you.

    That said you should study the Confederate history along with the program not make it a special time, month or what ever, then again I'm not for Black History month, or womens month or Spanish Speaking peoples month or anything that makes any one seem more special than the other. It is what it is... history.

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    I'm busy trying get a Khmer Rouge history month going in my state!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I'm busy trying get a Khmer Rouge history month going in my state!

    oh yeah I was going to study that just this week... OK I'll go look it up now

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    Well, it's officially fucked up. The Guv has now said he is not including slavery because 'it's not significant enough'. People are somewhat upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    Well, it's officially fucked up. The Guv has now said he is not including slavery because 'it's not significant enough'. People are somewhat upset.
    Yes, the civil war actually started over which side of the Mason Dixon line the Rock'n Roll Hall of Fame would be built. It had nothing to do with slavery, assuming it ever existed in the first place.

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    Ah, this makes me so embarrassed to live in Virginia, but maybe that's because I grew up out West (no one hears of the "War of Northern Aggression" bullshit out there). I feel like this is in someway defending the Confederacy. If it were Civil War history month, that'd be one thing, but it's not.

    This is part of the gov's proclamation that bothers me:
    WHEREAS, it is important for all Virginians to reflect upon our Commonwealth’s shared history, to understand the sacrifices of the Confederate leaders, soldiers and citizens during the period of the Civil War, and to recognize how our history has led to our present; Governor Robert F. McDonnell: Our Commonwealth
    I'm sorry they died for a f*cked up cause, but what they died in vain for is not worth celebrating.

    Oh, and he's corrected himself and added a paragraph to recognize slavery:
    WHEREAS, it is important for all Virginians to understand that the institution of slavery led to this war and was an evil and inhumane practice that deprived people of their God-given inalienable rights and all Virginians are thankful for its permanent eradication from our borders, and the study of this time period should reflect upon and learn from this painful part of our history;
    Somehow the link between slavery and the reason for the Confederacy is missing.
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    Default Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers By Dana Davis, T

    (this guy's somewhat well known for his views, an older article)

    Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers By Dana Davis, The Tribune







    Confederate Flag defender, political activist, former President of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP and 52-year-old black man, H.K. Edgerton was recently accosted by two black men while standing by his confederate flag in front of Asheville High School. Though he was appalled by the alleged violent actions of 19-year-old high school drop-out Andre Dewayne and 32-year-old Kevin Miller, he concedes, "I know and understand their pain because they've been lied to for so long. A lot of people know nothing about that time in history."

    Describing the event, Edgerton recalls, "A man approached me quickly and when he got a foot away from me, he lunged at me, tried to grab my flag, spit on me, spit on my flag, bent my flag pole. Then another man, who was older, came. I thought he was going to stop him, but he joined in, striking and spitting on me and bending my flag even more." Edgerton said the incident left lingering injuries to his shoulder.

    Though Edgerton empathizes with the anguish of the two men he asserts, "You have to know how to conduct yourselves. And give a man a chance to speak. Many people have heckled me and cursed at me. When giving speeches I've had blacks heckle me and they had to be removed in Columbia and Charleston, but never has anyone accosted me or my flag. It is my 1st amendment right to take a stand, and you must not violate my right to do so."

    Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time. They see that flag and someone says slavery and it all falls apart and they think of Southern Christian white folks as being evil."

    "We can't let the stars and stripes get away that easy. Never were the stars and bars flag flown over a slave ship. And you want to know why? Because it's a Christian Battle Flag that was emulated after St. Andrew, Jesus Christ's first disciple. In 69 A.D. in Petro, Greece -- now a part of Russia -- St. Andrew was jailed because of his teaching and preaching of Jesus Christ, his Lord and Master, and he was told he was going to be crucified on the cross. He begged that persecutor not to nail him to that Latin cross in the shape of "T" because he was not worthy of being punished the way Jesus Christ had been nailed. So he begged to be tied in an X-shape to the cross and the persecutor did what he asked him to. That X is a Greek symbol to CH, the first two letters in Christ's name. When St. Andrew was on the cross he continued his teaching of Christ and all the folks started believing him and for three days he remained on that cross teaching and after three days they begged the persecutor to take him down and when he
    did, St. Andrew came down off that cross and died, and he became a martyr and a saint.

    "When (Civil War Confederate ) General Beaureguard decided they needed another flag, he chose the cross of St. Andrew for these reasons. Most Southerners, in fact, did not want to do away with the stars and stripes because they didn't feel they had done anything wrong. They thought it was the north who was eradicating the Constitution.

    "And as for President Lincoln, our American hero, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. In march of 1861 Abraham Lincoln called all those black leaders in his office and he told them -- Even if I set you free you'll be inferior. You need to get out of the country because I will colonize you. Lincoln proposed the 13th Amendment, being the only President ever to do so. That amendment said Congress would never have the power to interrupt an institution of state. He told the southerners they could keep the slaves if they paid the North a 42% tariff. The South agreed to a 10% tariff but not 42%. So, who I am supposed to blame the institution of slavery on?

    "At that time, one of the richest men in the world, John D. Rothchild told his family to put all their money into the Confederacy and described Lincoln as a crook. He said the slaves in the south were better off than the slaves in the north who had to work for next to nothing in the cotton mills.

    "The attack on the Confederacy doesn't get the attention it deserves. These blacks today have no idea what took place back then. (Blacks) earned a place of dignity in that war. If it wasn't for Africans that war would have lasted four days, not four years. We made all of the implements of war, we fought, we participated -- not one slave insurrection happened during that period of time. They did not have whips and guns forcing them to be there. God and his infinite wisdom brought these people here. He brought about a love between master and slave that has never happened before. If you search this empirically then you will know the only one who cared about the African was the man in the south. But we don't want to face that.

    "Bill Clinton's apology to (the black race) doesn't mean a thing to me. If Bill Clinton was any kind of a man he would march right down to the Education Secretary and demand that we start telling the truth to all about our history. If there are any apologies to be given, it is me. I need to apologize for walking away from the Christians in the South because I was lied to. Even the NAACP is not a black run operation. The national board is run by white liberals and Jews and I question their motives.

    "Those who know their history know that we walked away from the war with dignity. But we took the loyalty we gave to the white man and started believing the lies of the North and now people are believing this madness. But even if you pull this flag from every flag pole and stand in the south you can't pull it from the hearts of the Christians in the south. If you speak to any blacks in the south my age or older you will find out that most of them had kinship to Confederate Veterans. The more who search their backbone will find out they were a part of this. They want to think they were beaten into this. Wrong. That's not how it happened.

    "Times have changed. In the old south a young man would have never approached an old gray-haired man like myself. We've gotten away from that. Had we been left alone by the northern carpet-baggers, we would be better off.

    "Now I have to watch the Cuban flag flying in land we used to have and know that they can live in Florida without ever speaking English. And I have to hear John Rocker get off the subway in New York and not even know where he is. Well, come get me John Rocker because I don't know where we are either and I want to know.

    "My fight for my people continues. In all my speeches, I say -- Don't hurt my people, forgive them. We just don't know. -- I grew up with the same lies, claiming that Lincoln liberated and saved me. What a crock. All we have to do is think about this thing and search out the truth. I would encourage all my African-American friends to go to Southern Confederate Veterans' meetings and they will be greeted open-armed. The only day we will truly be free is when H.K. Edgerton walks out his door and every African-American is holding a Confederate Flag and I will say one thing - Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Praise God, Hallelujah.

    "Not one time did Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. put down the Confederate Flag. He wanted blacks and whites to sit and eat together. I asked Dr. Young, one of King's closest friends, what his feelings were about that flag. He said, Leave it alone. Let's do something about the things we can do something about, like our children selling drugs on the street. King could never have brought us all together the way he did if he had put down the (Confederate) Flag.

    "At first, I was confused by the NAACP putting down the flag, but they just don't know. I just don't want my people lied to. I hate to see them led down the path of hate. They're in the wrong ball game. There was a Machiavellian view in the North - they are different from the south. The bottom line is, if I would have had a choice back then I would have stayed in the South. If the Southern man set a man free he gave them land and a home. The North did not give them anything. You don't set a man free in the woods without anything.

    "But people don't realize this. One time when I was holding the stars and bars on the street, a black man with dreadlocks told me what I was doing was wrong, and then he called to his white girlfriend and their child across the street. Now, tell me that man is not confused.

    "It was the wealthy African leaders who sold the poorer Africans to the slave traders. Blacks want to speak of their African heritage, when it was their heritage who sold them out to slavery. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for blacks today to follow the Muslim religion, and Muslims practice slavery today. But no one wants to talk about that."

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    ^^Hmmm....I think he should give some thought to the Underground Railroad.
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