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    Thumbs down Marines get shiny new guns with bible references stamped on the sights. Lovely.

    No, this isn't creepy as all fucking hell. Lovely how the military is defending it.

    Following an ABC News report that thousands of gun sights used by the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan are inscribed with secret Bible references, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps said the Corps is 'concerned' and will discuss the matter with the weapons manufacturer.

    "We are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived," Capt. Geraldine Carey, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps, said in a statement to ABC News. "We will meet with the vendor to discuss future sight procurements." Carey said that when the initial deal was made in 2005 it was the only product that met the Corps needs.

    However, a spokesperson for CentCom, the U.S. military's overall command in Iraq and Aghanistan, said he did not understand why the issue was any different from U.S. money with religious inscriptions on it.

    "The perfect parallel that I see," said Maj. John Redfield, spokesperson for CentCom, told ABC News, "is between the statement that's on the back of our dollar bills, which is 'In God We Trust,' and we haven't moved away from that."

    Said Redfield, "Unless the equipment that's being used that has these inscriptions proved to be less than effective for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and military folks using it, I wouldn't see why we would stop using that."

    A spokesperson for the Army told ABC News that the Army was looking into the procurement "to see if anything is amiss here. We are still checking."

    As ABC News reported Monday, the sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

    'This Does Not Constitute Proselytizing'
    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

    Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them.

    Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    On Monday, spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both told ABC News their services were unaware of the biblical markings. On Tuesday, Redfield of CentCom told ABC News that the inscriptions did not violate the directive against proselytizing. "This does not constitute proselytizing because this equipment is not issued beyond the U.S. Defense Department personnel. It's not something we're giving away to the local folks."

    But ABC News was able to find repeated references to the Biblical citations in on-line discussions of the gun sights. In August 2009, a poster named "Latex Ducky" tells other posters on a forum for firearm enthusiasts called "The Firing Line" about the inscriptions. "Here's something interesting: There should be a reference to a Bible verse on the base of the scope."

    Back in 2006, on a self-described "Armageddon Forum," a number of users discuss the Bible references. "Seems there's a different verse on each model," writes Mr45auto. "They chose some whoppers too!"

    After the Blotter's report Monday morning, the TPM Muckraker news Web site listed numerous references to the Trijicon Bible codes on-line dating back several years, including a January 2006 thread on a gaming forum that said "DoD contractor puts bible verses on it's (sic) products."

    In May of 2006, a poster on Militaryphotos.net began a comment thread by asking, "Has anyone ever noticed the Bible verse on their ACOG sight?" Another user responds, "Yeah I read about that recently, but I didn't know there were than many different verses on all the different optics."

    A video on YouTube that discusses the Bible verses had close to 20,000 views. "One of the really cool things that I like about this sight," says the maker of the video, is the Bible verse. "It says JN8:12. What that is is John 8:12."

    "I love it. I love it. Yes, Trijicon, those guys are Christians. On all of their different sights they have verses on there."

    "For those of you who aren't Christians, well, you know, get over it."

    In another video, the same YouTube user notes the reference to Second Corinthians on a Trijicon scope.

    'They Should Fix Them All'

    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

    Weinstein said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of those who call the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan "a Crusade."

    Retired Army Major General William Nash, now an ABC News consultant, said he had "no problem" with organizations providing Bibles and other religious tracts to U.S. troops. "But I do have a problem," said Nash, "with military equipment being labeled in a way where it seems like it's our god against their god."

    Nash, who commanded the first brigade of the third armored division during Desert Storm in Iraq, said the Pentagon should make Trijicon remove the Bible codes from their sights.

    Said Nash, "They should fix them all, they should do a modification on those sights and take off those inscriptions. And if they fail to do that they should be penalized."

    Secret Bible Verses on Guns: Marines Are 'Concerned' - ABC News
    *shakes head*
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    wonder what percentage of marines are Christians. Wonder what percent in all of the armed forces.
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    Hmm. I should put something on mine.
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    Born to Kill?

    No wait....how about Ezekiel chapter 25 verse 17? (that might take a lot of space)
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    Hmm. I should put something on mine.
    Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.
    Well, I had more in mind: You wanted a blow job? Here it is!
    Then pow.
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    mine would say "pew pew pew!"
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    Well, I had more in mind: You wanted a blow job? Here it is!
    Then pow.
    Or you could shorten it to 'hell no, I won't blow.' Then pow.

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    Damnit,King! I was going to remove that evidence!!
    I didn't post that. Someone-I think it was Mel-seized control of my computer. Or something.
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    And now that evidence will be used as Exhibit A, unless you can find a way to place Mel at the scene of the crime.

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    Wasn't Mel off somewhere adjusting her Battle Tiara?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    And now that evidence will be used as Exhibit A, unless you can find a way to place Mel at the scene of the crime.
    Easy. Just lift fingerprints off the tiara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsDark View Post
    Born to Kill?

    No wait....how about Ezekiel chapter 25 verse 17? (that might take a lot of space)
    F**k Yea, I want that on my scope. Imagine, you with a "terrorist," you pull out your scope, and get to work:

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb4jn5y94g[/YOUTUBE]

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    How ironic. I'm sure thats what Jesus intended, his message of peace on firearms. Furthermore, this is ridiculous! I was thinking perhaps they were vague Bible references that weren't what I would consider "protelysizing", but NO - these references are all about Jesus being the son of God, the only way to heaven, etc. Thats really polarizing! I'm a Christian and I'm offended for people that aren't. I don't see how this could be defended, honestly.
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    Nice way to hand propaganda to the 'insurgents'.
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