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    Default SHOCK POLL: 44% want Bush back over Obama...

    December 09, 2009

    Bush closes the gap

    Public Policy Polling:

    Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama's declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that's somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country's difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections. Using the Bush card may not be particularly effective for Democrats anymore, which is good news generally for Republicans and especially ones like Rob Portman who are running for office and have close ties to the former President.

    Bush closes the gap - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

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    Considering what a right-wing rag politico has become, I'd be curious to know the metrics of this poll and who conducted it

    Still, the discontent is spreading among Democrats as well... a lot of them are fed up with his spinelessness and lying
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    What's the sample? Members of the Bush family?
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    Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that's somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country's difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited.
    I'm curious about the people they talked to for this poll. But I think the part in bold represents the Tea Party's influence along with Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Because their mantra is 'the country was great until Obama showed up, and Bush was great.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Considering what a right-wing rag politico has become, I'd be curious to know the metrics of this poll and who conducted it

    Still, the discontent is spreading among Democrats as well... a lot of them are fed up with his spinelessness and lying

    Maybe it's the second option (although I don't agree with it). Here is the PPP wiki entry:

    Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American, Democratic Party-affiliated polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1][2][3] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer.[1][4] The company's surveys use Interactive Voice Response (IVR), an automated questionnaire used by other polling firms such as SurveyUSA and Rasmussen Reports.[5] Following the 2008 U.S. presidential election, an analysis by The Wall Street Journal showed PPP's swing-state polling was the second most accurate projection.[5] The neutrality of PPP's surveys has been questioned since the firm's clients are exclusively Democratic-affiliated organizations, and because surveys on health care reform have included polarizing questions such as if respondents think President Barack Obama is the "Antichrist".[1][6]

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    Ok. that's it. As soon as I get some money, learn to drive, and have experience in the job field, I'm moving to Canada. I'm pretty much set on that decision, now. Fuck this backwards world I have to live in.

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    Nicole, don't rush off just yet. Outside of some of his policy decisions, the biggest thing hurting Obama now is the economy/unemployment.

    The economy tanked last year and helped Obama and hurt McCain because Bush was still president. And unemployment has been on a steady rise since Obama became president and his approval numbers have taken a steady hit as unemployment increases.

    When unemployment is high the president gets the blame, when unemployment is low the president gets the credit. Tie that into the fact that Obama didn't take the same tough stance with Wall Street that he did with the auto industry and it places even more economic discontent on his shoulders. But until unemployment goes down his approval numbers are going to keep taking a big hit.

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    Uh, yea, who took this poll? Was the sample representative? How was the sample selected? So many questions, you can't take stupid shit like this at face value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Nicole, don't rush off just yet. Outside of some of his policy decisions, the biggest thing hurting Obama now is the economy/unemployment.

    The economy tanked last year and helped Obama and hurt McCain because Bush was still president. And unemployment has been on a steady rise since Obama became president and his approval numbers have taken a steady hit as unemployment increases.

    When unemployment is high the president gets the blame, when unemployment is low the president gets the credit. Tie that into the fact that Obama didn't take the same tough stance with Wall Street that he did with the auto industry and it places even more economic discontent on his shoulders. But until unemployment goes down his approval numbers are going to keep taking a big hit.

    Obama's good, but Canada still looks better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleWasHere View Post
    Obama's good, but Canada still looks better.
    Canada always looks better. Just ask Alec Baldwin and the other people who kept threatening to move there, but stayed here. They knew something we didn't.

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    Canada's got it's own problems.

    A major part of the problem is some liberals who have the idea that Obama is the same as Bush. No, he isn't: he may not be perfect, but he's so much better in a number of areas (climate change and other aspects of the environment , working with other nations instead of bullheadedly going alone, torture, court appointments, abortion and other reproductive rights, and fair pay). Plus we would really be up shit creek if the stimulus had not passed, far worse than we are now.

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    uh, the torture, patriot act, invasion of privacy, FISA, 2 wars, and other Bush awesomeness, and a whole shitload of other things are continuing.
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    Torture isn't continuing. Iraq is winding down. We've had FISA since the 70s & Obama has gone back to what was in place before Bush.

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    Yes, it's continuing along with all the rendition and the secrecy to do it, he's already gone to court to defend it so don't gimme that.

    Iraq is winding down so Afghanistan can wind up, and FISA has NOT gone back to what was in place in the 70's, it was an EXTENSION of powers without judicial oversight that Obama flipflopped on.

    Where the hell are you getting your rosy info from, eesh.
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    WHAT??? Maybe somebody else but not him back! WTF? Is everybody drinking???

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