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    Carter: Race plays role in Obama dislike

    Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:44 PM by Mark Murray

    From NBC's Mark Murray

    In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, former Democratic President Jimmy Carter attributed much of the conservative opposition that President Obama is receiving to the issue of race.

    "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man," Carter said. "I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that share the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans."

    Carter continued, "And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the South but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."
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    Good for him. I've always admired Jimmy Carter; he's not afraid to say anything. He still has his fingers on the pulse of the country.

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    Carter's right. Which means the right-wingers will be burning him in effigy, or a cross, any minute.

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    ^I was thinking his Secret Service protection will probably need to be increased.

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    ^^True. But first they need to increase Obama's Secret Service detail.

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    I'm sure Obama's detail is fine. Former presidents have a much reduced detail, which would be why Carter would need his increased.

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    It's about time someone with some clout said it out loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I'm sure Obama's detail is fine. Former presidents have a much reduced detail, which would be why Carter would need his increased.
    I don't know how well Obama or Carter's details are with all of the reported cuts being made. Then again, I haven't had the utmost confidence in the Secret Service since they let that reporter throw two shoes at Dubya, funny though it was.

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    I'm glad Jimmy is speaking out (he's right), but I fear his words will fall on deaf ears.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I'm sure Obama's detail is fine. Former presidents have a much reduced detail, which would be why Carter would need his increased.
    I don't think Obama's detail is fine. He's received far more death threats than previous Presidents and there are reports saying that the detail is spread thin.

    Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service - Telegraph

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    I'm aware of that. But Obama does have far more protection than Carter, which is why I said what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    It's about time someone with some clout said it out loud.
    Absolutely. Jimmy Carter rules and is very much in tune with the times, despite his age. An elderly statesman to be proud of.
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    Like there was ever any doubt..
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    Morning news shows are starting to run with this now, 'bout damn time.
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    I agree 100% with Carter. I just hope it doesn't backfire. Under Bush we were afraid to honestly criticise him because we would be called unpatriotic. Now under Obama you are called a racist if you criticise him. There are actually some people out there who are critical of his policies regardless of his race. If they are made to feel they cannot be forthright with their opinions we will see an uprising as we did against Bush. That will not help us. This is new terriotory and there are fine lines to be walked.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/op...dowd.html?_r=1

    September 13, 2009
    Op-Ed Columnist
    Boy, Oh, Boy
    By MAUREEN DOWD
    WASHINGTON

    The normally nonchalant Barack Obama looked nonplussed, as Nancy Pelosi glowered behind.

    Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t.

    But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!

    The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.

    The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.

    I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race.

    I tended to agree with some Obama advisers that Democratic presidents typically have provoked a frothing response from paranoids — from Father Coughlin against F.D.R. to Joe McCarthy against Truman to the John Birchers against J.F.K. and the vast right-wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton.

    But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.

    “A lot of these outbursts have to do with delegitimizing him as a president,” said Congressman Jim Clyburn, a senior member of the South Carolina delegation. Clyburn, the man who called out Bill Clinton on his racially tinged attacks on Obama in the primary, pushed Pelosi to pursue a formal resolution chastising Wilson.

    “In South Carolina politics, I learned that the olive branch works very seldom,” he said. “You have to come at these things from a position of strength. My father used to say, ‘Son, always remember that silence gives consent.’ ”

    Barry Obama of the post-’60s Hawaiian ’hood did not live through the major racial struggles in American history. Maybe he had a problem relating to his white basketball coach or catching a cab in New York, but he never got beaten up for being black.

    Now he’s at the center of a period of racial turbulence sparked by his ascension. Even if he and the coterie of white male advisers around him don’t choose to openly acknowledge it, this president is the ultimate civil rights figure — a black man whose legitimacy is constantly challenged by a loco fringe.

    For two centuries, the South has feared a takeover by blacks or the feds. In Obama, they have both.

    The state that fired the first shot of the Civil War has now given us this: Senator Jim DeMint exhorted conservatives to “break” the president by upending his health care plan. Rusty DePass, a G.O.P. activist, said that a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was “just one of Michelle’s ancestors.” Lovelorn Mark Sanford tried to refuse the president’s stimulus money. And now Joe Wilson.

    “A good many people in South Carolina really reject the notion that we’re part of the union,” said Don Fowler, the former Democratic Party chief who teaches politics at the University of South Carolina. He observed that when slavery was destroyed by outside forces and segregation was undone by civil rights leaders and Congress, it bred xenophobia.

    “We have a lot of people who really think that the world’s against us,” Fowler said, “so when things don’t happen the way we like them to, we blame outsiders.” He said a state legislator not long ago tried to pass a bill to nullify any federal legislation with which South Carolinians didn’t agree. Shades of John C. Calhoun!

    It may be President Obama’s very air of elegance and erudition that raises hackles in some. “My father used to say to me, ‘Boy, don’t get above your raising,’ ” Fowler said. “Some people are prejudiced anyway, and then they look at his education and mannerisms and get more angry at him.”

    Clyburn had a warning for Obama advisers who want to forgive Wilson, ignore the ignorant outbursts and move on: “They’re going to have to develop ways in this White House to deal with things and not let them fester out there. Otherwise, they’ll see numbers moving in the wrong direction.”


    Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company

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