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    Question Sarah Palin tells health protestors to calm down, but still stokes fires

    (CNN) Despite Sarah Palin's suggestion that President Obama's health care plan will institute "death panels" to evaluate elderly and disabled citizens a claim that was quickly debunked her latest message to the public is a bit more conciliatory.
    Posting once again on her Facebook page the former Alaska governor's recent soapbox of choice Palin on Sunday called on critics of the health care plan to turn down the volume.
    "There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment," Palin wrote.
    Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, was presumably referring to reform critics who have shouted down members of Congress at several town halls around the country over the last week.
    House Minority Leader John Boehner and a handful of other GOP leaders have defended the angry reaction at some of the forums.
    "Such tactics diminish our nation's civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters' passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying," Palin wrote. "Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."
    Palin urges restraint at town hall meetings
    If Palin doesn't want to give anyone a reason to criticize opponents of healthcare reform she shouldn't use words like 'death panels.'

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    Palin wrote. "Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."
    She's obviously not including herself in this
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    Does she have no advisors? Or do her advisors tell her to say something stupid each day in order to build up her national political credibility? Or is she her own advisor/worst enemy? Even Cheney has turned down the volume lately. The only thing she provides lately is snark bait.

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    ^Supposedly Todd was/is her most trusted advisor.

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    Why is she talking?
    He who knows does not speak.
    He who speaks does not know.
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    My husband and I heard her 'speak' on the news a few nights ago and we both just fucking laughed and laughed. And he's a Republican! And even HE thinks she's a fucking disgrace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookie View Post
    Does she have no advisors? Or do her advisors tell her to say something stupid each day in order to build up her national political credibility? Or is she her own advisor/worst enemy? Even Cheney has turned down the volume lately. The only thing she provides lately is snark bait.
    Mavericks don't need no stinkin' advisors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visitor42 View Post
    Mavericks don't need no stinkin' advisors.

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    Why would anyone even give a shit what she thinks?
    (276): Michelle Duggar likes to fuuuuck
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    Default FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill

    FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill - Yahoo! News

    WASHINGTON – Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin says the health care overhaul bill would set up a "death panel." Federal bureaucrats would play God, ruling on whether ailing seniors are worth enough to society to deserve life-sustaining medical care. Palin and other critics are wrong.
    Nothing in the legislation would carry out such a bleak vision. The provision that has caused the uproar would instead authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, if the patient wishes. Here are some questions and answers on the controversy:
    Q: Does the health care legislation bill promote "mercy killing," or euthanasia?
    A: No.
    Q: Then what's all the fuss about?
    A: A provision in the House bill written by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., would allow Medicare to pay doctors for voluntary counseling sessions that address end-of-life issues. The conversations between doctor and patient would include living wills, making a close relative or a trusted friend your health care proxy, learning about hospice as an option for the terminally ill, and information about pain medications for people suffering chronic discomfort.
    The sessions would be covered every five years, more frequently if someone is gravely ill.
    Q: Is anything required?
    Monsignor Charles Fahey, 76, a Catholic priest who is chairman of the board of the National Council on Aging, a nonprofit service and advocacy group, says no.
    "We have to make decisions that are deliberative about our health care at every moment," Fahey said. "What I have said is that if I cannot say another prayer, if I cannot give or get another hug, and if I cannot have another martini — then let me go."
    Q: Does the bill advocate assisted suicide?
    A: No. It would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.
    Q: Who supports the provision?
    A: The American Medical Association, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization and Consumers Union are among the groups supporting the provision. AARP, the seniors' lobby, is taking out print advertisements this week that label as false the claim that the legislation will empower the government to take over life-and-death decisions from individuals.
    Q: Should the federal government be getting involved with living wills and end-of-life questions — decisions that are highly personal and really difficult?
    A: It already is.
    The government requires hospitals to ask adult patients if they have a living will, or "advance directive." If the patient doesn't have one, and wants one, the hospital has to provide assistance. The mandate on hospitals was instituted during a Republican administration, in 1992, under President George H.W. Bush.
    Q: How does a living will work, and how is it different from a health care proxy?
    A: A living will — also called an advance directive — spells out a patient's wishes if he or she becomes incapacitated. Often people say they don't want to be kept alive on breathing machines if their condition is terminal and irreversible.
    A health care proxy empowers another person to make medical decisions should the patient become incapacitated.
    There's also a power-of-attorney, which authorizes another person to make financial decisions for someone who is incapacitated.
    Such legal documents have become standard estate-planning tools in the last twenty years.
    Q: Would the health overhaul legislation change the way people now deal with making end-of-life decisions?
    A: It very well could.
    Supporters of the provision say the main consequence would be to formally bring doctors into a discussion that now takes place mainly among family members and lawyers.
    "When you execute a legal document with your lawyer, it ends up in your files and in the lawyer's files," said John Rother, a senior policy and strategy adviser for AARP. "Unless the doctor is part of this discussion, it's unlikely that your wishes will be respected. The doctor will be the one involved in any decisions."
    The American Medical Association says involving doctors is simple common sense.
    "There has been a lot of misinformation about the advance care planning provisions in the bill," AMA President Dr. James Rohack said in a statement. "It's plain, old-fashioned medical care."
    Q: So why are some people upset?
    Some social conservatives say stronger language is needed to protect seniors from being pressured into signing away their rights to medical treatment in a moment of depression or despair.
    The National Right to Life Committee opposes the provision as written.
    "I'm not aware of 'death panels' in the bill," said David O'Steen, executive director of the group. "I'm not aware of anything that says you will be hauled before a government bureaucrat. But we are concerned ... it doesn't take a lot to push a vulnerable person — perhaps unwittingly — to give up their right to life-sustaining treatment."

    The White House says it is countering false claims with a "reality check" page on its Web site, http://www.whitehouse.gov.

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    Nobody has thought this through I swear! If we go to a government health care system then, some day down the road the neocon @$$holes will be back in power and have control of your body! Forget abortions or any other procedure that doesnt pass their bible test. Give me an insurance company over the Bush/Cheney gang any day!

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    Will someone please tie this bitch up and put her in a closet for the next ten years! I am begging! Or maybe get Bristol pregnant again so she can fake a pregnancy away from the spotlight.

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    She is dangerous. Like Hitler was dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaffyMoon View Post
    She is dangerous. Like Hitler was dangerous.
    She's no where near Hitler territory. I just can't believe how people can take her seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oltifreakinbaby View Post
    She's no where near Hitler territory. I just can't believe how people can take her seriously.
    The thing is people DO take her seriously. That is what makes her and all the other idiots like her so dangerous.

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