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    Angry GOP blatantly admits trying to kill health care to make Obama look bad in 2010

    Yeah you know.. who cares if people die or go bankrupt, it's all about who gets to line up at the trough in 2 years.

    ast week, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) set off a political storm when he said that if Republicans can defeat health care reform it would be President Obama’s “Waterloo” because it would “break him.” Since then, some Republicans have sought to distance themselves from DeMint’s view that defeating health care would yield political advantages for the GOP.

    But Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) isn’t shying away from revealing his honest feelings. Appearing on Janet Parshall’s radio show yesterday, Inhofe argued that the defeat of President Clinton’s health care reform “started the demise of Bill Clinton that led to the 1994 Republican takeover of the House and the Senate.” He then added that he is now “tracking the demise” of Obama’s health care plans and it is making him “optimistic”:

    INHOFE: They ought to know, they ought to know from history. This is a losing proposition for them. And for those out there who believe, that would like to have something optimistic to look at, we are plotting the demise on a week by week basis of where Bill Clinton was in 1993 and where Obama is today and his demise ratio is greater than Clinton’s was in 1993. So, he’s trying to do the same things, except more extreme.


    Inhofe also appeared on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show yesterday, where he was asked if Republicans had the votes “to block health care, the radical stuff in the Senate.” Inhofe said he thought they did:


    INHOFE: Oh, I think so. I really do. In fact, there’ll be a lot of Democrats. You know, I liken it to the cap and trade thing. Now that’s the one that I’ve been kind of in charge of for ten years, and we know where we are on that now. We know that if, as long as people keep talking the way they are right now, we’re going to defeat it. They only have 34 votes. They need 60 votes. I’d say health care right now is somewhere in the neighborhood of, they have maybe 45 votes. But every day, they lose votes, because people find out what it is, what it’s going to do, and what it’s not going to do. When you tell people that the mortality rate in Canada is 25% higher for breast cancer, 18% higher for prostate cancer, you know, they say why in the world would we emulate a system like that? This is life threatening. And so we have all the issues on our side on this thing, and I think, you know, I just hope the President keeps talking about it, keeps trying to rush it through. We can stall it. And that’s going to be a huge gain for those of us who want to turn this thing over in the 2010 election.

    Think Progress » Inhofe: If GOP Can ‘Stall’ Or ‘Block’ Health Care Reform, It Will Be ‘A Huge Gain’ For The 2010 Elections
    and they delayed the vote for what reason Sen. Harry Reid of pussy lane?
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    I think we need reform, big time, but I think there are some serious issues with this particular plan, and I am glad for the break because I feel like this bill is rushed. Something this important takes time. However, I am surprised that the Republicans are openly admitting that they want Obama to fail. If he fails, we all fail.

    BTW, I was wondering whatever happened to public health clinics? They were around in the late 70's because I remember going to one with my grandmother (who was rich as shit but was being cheap). They used to do things like provide condoms, give basic immunizations, that kind of stuff, for free.

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    The GOP could care less about anything but the bottom line of the rich corporations that line their pockets.

    But if Obama and the Dems choke on healthcare then they can't blame the GOP for the fallout. The Dems have the numbers to get it passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    BTW, I was wondering whatever happened to public health clinics? They were around in the late 70's because I remember going to one with my grandmother (who was rich as shit but was being cheap). They used to do things like provide condoms, give basic immunizations, that kind of stuff, for free.
    My understanding was that they went the way of the dodo after Nixon allowed health care companies to go from non-profits to profit-making corporations.

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    BTW, I was wondering whatever happened to public health clinics? They were around in the late 70's because I remember going to one with my grandmother (who was rich as shit but was being cheap). They used to do things like provide condoms, give basic immunizations, that kind of stuff, for free.


    We still have public clinics in NY, that provide free or very low cost care. And when I looked it up, it seems that many other states still have them too.

    Here's a link if you need one:

    Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income. Health centers provide
    1. checkups when you're well
    2. treatment when you're sick
    3. complete care when you're pregnant
    4. immunizations and checkups for your children
    5. dental care and prescription drugs for your family
    6. mental health and substance abuse care if you need it
    Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas. Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.

    HRSA - Find a Health Center - Search Page
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    Yeah, that's what I'm talking about...all you hear about is how people w/o insurance go to the emergency room and we all know how much that costs. I think a good place to start is to beef up these public health centers to focus on preventative care type issues before it escalates to an ER situation. Free BC, free immunizations, free flu shots, free strep tests, free insulin for diabetics, etc.


    If these are still around, why don't we hear about them anymore? Do people even still use them?

    And we should beef up student health centers on campuses as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    If these are still around, why don't we hear about them anymore? Do people even still use them?
    That's an interesting point about people using them. I'm sure they probably have wait times, not the greatest personal service, etc, but it still has to be better than going to hang around an ER and wait hours for care.
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    What I guess I am saying is that for the poor, instead of a government plan for all medical needs, why don't we build up the existing infrastructure of these public health clinics already in place and use that as a starting place? It would not cover catastrophic care, we would need a separate plan for that, but it would meet most needs and provide the preventative care that keeps a lot of issues from escalating into an emergency room visit.

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    We already care for the truly poor medically. We have clinics like these, public hospitals for catastrophic care, and Medicaid.

    The real issue on health care reform is the working class- they earn too much to be able to use the existing programs for the poor, but not enough that paying for insurance and medicine doesn't take too much of their pay to live on.
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    I know, my mom was one of them. I was thinking that as a starting place these clinics would be open to all, payment on a sliding scale. Just like Planned Parenthood.

    Then we could have a payroll tax to cover specialty care and hospital care. Something like 1-2% of income. To utilize $ from this pool, you would need a referral from a public health clinic. You wouldn't be able to just make an appointment with a cardiologist.

    Those of us with private or employer-provided insurance pay more but we have the luxury of seeing specialists without referral or getting an appointment at a private doctor's office instead of the clinic.

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    I understand what you mean, and you have a good idea there.

    I've been poking around that website I posted upthread, and these clinics are available to all, with fees based on your income. Which would help many of the working class....there seems to quite a lot of them too. Just as an example NY has 401 clinics, and NC has 157, CA has almost 1000.
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    Whynot just have universal healthcare that everybody pitches into with a few tax dollars which covers the essentials for EVERYBODY, and that is augmented by employment benefits like the rest of the civilized world?

    Why the resistance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    If these are still around, why don't we hear about them anymore? Do people even still use them?
    Many have cut back on the amount of services they offer. They also only offer some services once a month. They can't serve as many people because of the lack of staff. In many places, there is a doctor on staff once of twice a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Whynot just have universal healthcare that everybody pitches into with a few tax dollars which covers the essentials for EVERYBODY, and that is augmented by employment benefits like the rest of the civilized world?

    Why the resistance?
    Because America is too much of a 'me first' country. Too many people are selfish and don't want to help anyone else, even if it's for the greater good. People tend to think that if they have the money or benefits, then everyone else should be able to easily get benefits, too if they 'worked hard enough.' Forgetting that everyone doesn't have the same education, income, etc.

    Hell, they just raised minimum wage and people are bitching that it should be abolished completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Because America is too much of a 'me first' country. Too many people are selfish and don't want to help anyone else, even if it's for the greater good. People tend to think that if they have the money or benefits, then everyone else should be able to easily get benefits, too if they 'worked hard enough.' Forgetting that everyone doesn't have the same education, income, etc.

    Hell, they just raised minimum wage and people are bitching that it should be abolished completely.
    Plus, people are too stupid to realize that they already are paying for the medical bills of the poor, through higher costs and higher insurance premiums. If it weren't for the greedy fucks in charge of the insurance industry, it would all balance out. You'd pay a bit higher taxes but your premiums would go down. Or, if you pay out of pocket, you would pay less for that office visit, less for that insulin, less for that urgent care visit...

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