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    I'm sure that almost every community is facing school budget cuts right now. In fact, our local schools are debating between cutting teachers or cutting school days to 4 days a week. Books have already been cut, as well as any 'extra' programs. Sports have always been pay to play here. There wasn't a word about the cost to hire specialized teachers to cover programs like ESL, and otherwise fund the education of illegals. Why? Especially since the school budgets come out of tax dollars, and the illegals aren't paying taxes.

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    I'm in CA, I can't even talk about the budget cuts right now, it pisses me off. The public schools are fucked and the public universities are probably going to have all grants taken away. Kids aren't going to have any help with tuition so some won't even be able to go to college. Illegal immigrants can't get financial aid at the universities, but the universities are still having trouble financially. So let's not blame all this shit on illegals, they are not the source of these problems. It's a lot more complicated than that.

    Oh and just because there are programs like ESL, doesn't mean they are teaching nothing but illegal immigrants. Many AMERICAN CITIZENS don't speak English very well (and a lot of people labeled "illegals" are citizens!!).

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    I am strictly talking about illegals, not children of those who came over legally. And let me be clear: K-12, not universities. Like it or not, it still costs money. At least at the university level, the immigrants have to pay.

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    I don't think you got the point. The point is that EVERYONE is having a hard time. All the schools are feeling financial pressure right now. And you can't blame this on illegal immigrants, you can't scapegoat out of frustration.

    The public schools around me are shitty. I have a kid, I worry about where she is going to go, what kind of education she will have. I feel frustrated, but I am not pointing at illegal immigrants and saying they are the source of this problem. It goes so much deeper than that, like I said, it's more complicated that your easy answer to blame illegal immigrants.

    And just because your tax money is suppose to go to schools doesn't mean it does. Look at the SS and Medicare funds, they use that tax money for all sorts of things.

    Oh and illegal immigrants do pay many taxes... think sales tax for one (and some of that goes to schools).

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    I'm in Oz and the bloody P&C (PTA to others) gives roughly 100 grand a year to the school to make up teh shortfall from the government. This on top of parents paying upwards of 1000 bucks a piece just for stuff like books, teachers, etc. Then we have to provide all their pens, paper, notebooks, etc. I have no idea what the government actually pays for. It's nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    I'm in Oz and the bloody P&C (PTA to others) gives roughly 100 grand a year to the school to make up teh shortfall from the government. This on top of parents paying upwards of 1000 bucks a piece just for stuff like books, teachers, etc. Then we have to provide all their pens, paper, notebooks, etc. I have no idea what the government actually pays for. It's nuts.
    Most NYC schools require parents provide toilet paper and face tissue among a whole list of other essential supplies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDwarf View Post
    I don't think you got the point. The point is that EVERYONE is having a hard time. All the schools are feeling financial pressure right now. And you can't blame this on illegal immigrants, you can't scapegoat out of frustration.

    The public schools around me are shitty. I have a kid, I worry about where she is going to go, what kind of education she will have. I feel frustrated, but I am not pointing at illegal immigrants and saying they are the source of this problem. It goes so much deeper than that, like I said, it's more complicated that your easy answer to blame illegal immigrants.

    And just because your tax money is suppose to go to schools doesn't mean it does. Look at the SS and Medicare funds, they use that tax money for all sorts of things.

    Oh and illegal immigrants do pay many taxes... think sales tax for one (and some of that goes to schools).
    1) we don't have sales tax - so it has to come from other sources like state income tax and property taxes.
    2) Quite frankly, don't confuse my question as if it is my answer. My question is simply why are all the other programs getting cut/reduced except that one. If they are doing cuts 'all across the board', then I think that particular program should equally be reduced.
    3) My frustration isn't with the illegals, I am more frustrated with the overpaid administration. I disagree with the heavy on top management, and I equally disagree with the resistance to reduce ESL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed Hour View Post
    Most NYC schools require parents provide toilet paper and face tissue among a whole list of other essential supplies.
    They do taht here as well.
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    IceQueen, what state or country do you live in? That will impact this discussion- if you're in CA its one thing. If you're overseas its another.

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    Oregon, which I know is not as bad off as California.

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    What I find odd here is that we live in a nice area so parents can afford to pony up a lot of cash just to keep the school running and even then it's not enough for anything extra, like support teachers or even language teachers. I can't imagine what it's like in poorer areas, where people are living hand to mouth and the idea of handing over 600 bucks per kid (that's what they're currently asking) to the PTA for stuff like, oh, BOOKS. It's absolutely crazy that publicly-funded schools are not actually funded properly and meanwhile the pols have their snouts in the trough and are living in two homes, giving themselves raises, etc. Me, I'm going back to private as soon as the older heathen hits secondary. I'd do it sooner but he's had a hard enough time moving around so much and now has friends and is happy. For what I pay here, due to the type of visa we're on, it's almost as much as private and not even close to half as good. I'll give up a few holidays and nights out so that my kids can get a decent education.

    But I'm confused: when I was a kid I went to state school when I was in primary and we had everything paid for through taxes. There was the odd bake sale to raise money for band uniforms or whatever but we actually had books instead of the crappy handouts they give now (which we get billed for). Hell, they don't even teach proper history or science or art or music or PE because they can't afford the specialised teachers. Taxes seem higher yet services worse. What the hell is going on and why isn't anyone asking more questions?
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    I think most of them must be frozen & don't know WHAT to ask. I have never heard of the PTA having to carry the school. My son attended public schools and got a wonderful education free. We do have record setting property tax here. We pay right around $6,000 a year while my sister in New Orleans pays $108.00 a year! Maybe that is the difference?
    I would like to see much more Corporate involvement. After all.theses are the people they will be hiring in 15 years.
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    Nah, we pay majorly and still have to pony up thousands every year. It's a scam, I tell ya. I'm going back to private.
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    I don't see how ordinary families can afford that. Outrageous.
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    Public education is in the toilet imo (USA). We just had our budget in our town cut resulting in losing 10% of the teachers for next year.

    I was very involved in trying to stop that but a MAJOR issue was the teacher's union. They refused any kind of concession. Had they offered something, the town would have ponied up an increase and we could have saved teacher's jobs (in fact, the town put an increase in first to show they wanted to save teachers). I was intimately involved in all of the talks so I know for a fact that the unions refused to budge.

    So our already crap schools will be even worse next year. And they've been declining for years already.

    I'm considering a magnet school for my daughter. I hate pulling her out of her hometown school and sending her to the "city" but she is not getting the best education here.

    Unions suck.

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