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    WASHINGTON (CNN)- On the eve of President Obama's meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that the Obama administration wants a complete halt to settlement activity by Israel, which she argued would help Washington's Mideast peace efforts.
    "We think it is in the best interest of the effort that we are engaged in that settlement expansion cease," she said following a meeting with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Ali Aboul Gheit.
    Clinton spoke hours before having dinner with Abbas, who will meet with President Obama at the White House Thursday.
    Last week President Obama met with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, where he pressed him to commit to the creation of a Palestinian state and halt settlement activity to create a better atmosphere for peace talks.
    Netanyahu has committed to removing illegal settlement "outposts," but has pledged to continue expansion, or "natural growth"of existing settlements.

    "The president was very clear when Prime Minister Netanyahu was here, he wants to see a stop to settlements," Clinton said. "Not some settlements, not outposts, not natural growth exceptions. That is our position that is what we have communicated very clearly not only to the Israeli's but to the Palestinians and others, and we intend to press that point."
    During her meeting with her Egytpian counterpart, Clinton reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to a two-state solution, calling Egypt and integral partner in the Obama administration's mideast peace efforts.
    The body language between Clinton and Aboul Gheit was much more relaxed than with her predecessor Condoleezza Rice, with whom the minister had a tense relationship.
    The Bush administration alienated Egypt by making human rights and democracy in the Middle East a cornerstone of it's foreign policy.
    Aboul Gheit, who wrapped up two days of meetings in Washington, said the Obama administration is "very different from the Bush administration"and less "rhetorical" in its approach to dealing with Cairo.
    "They are disucssing issues but they also listen, and that is very important to listen and understand where you come from and understand the reason," he said.
    President Obama is traveling to Cairo next week, where he will give a major address to the Arab and Muslim world.
    "We are full of expetations for the presdient's visit," Aboul Gheit said.
    Clinton calls for halt to Israel's settlement activity
    Well, at least Obama and Hillary aren't automatically bowing down to Israel like the U.S. usually does. Both Israel and the Palestinians are going to have to make some hard compromises.

    And the person that wrote this article needs to use spellcheck.

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    That took a pretty good amount of guts for Hilary. From what I read, she had a huge base of support and contributions from Jewish voters in New York. Taking this stand could sever that relationship permanently.

    Obama should pressure Netanyahu to get rid of Uzi Landau and Avigdor Lieberman and make half of Israel's annual aid package contingent on a flat stop to settlement activity.

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    Cut off the money. They'll come to heel quick enough.

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    Call me cynical, you wouldn't be the first...

    But this is part of how we curry favor with the Arabs......we publicly make statements like this.....and behind closed doors we sing a whole different tune...... Israel knows that this is how the game is played, periodically we appear to condemn them....our financial and military arrangements stay the same....

    The Arabs know it too.......that's part of why the whole situation never goes anywhere
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    I'm bored of the "judeo-christian" devil's pact.
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    I just wanted to post this documentary, its long and in several parts but I think most Americans will be surprised by it. It does address the settlements being built by Israel. American media is so biased that we never get to hear the other side. I also appreciate that many of the scholars who are speaking are Israeli themselves:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4[/youtube]

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2HW4T7wK4&feature=related[/youtube]

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UKGzSUlP1I&feature=related[/youtube]
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Call me cynical, you wouldn't be the first...

    But this is part of how we curry favor with the Arabs......we publicly make statements like this.....and behind closed doors we sing a whole different tune...... Israel knows that this is how the game is played, periodically we appear to condemn them....our financial and military arrangements stay the same....

    The Arabs know it too.......that's part of why the whole situation never goes anywhere
    I have to agree with this, it's the same thing year in and year out with zero progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Call me cynical, you wouldn't be the first...

    But this is part of how we curry favor with the Arabs......we publicly make statements like this.....and behind closed doors we sing a whole different tune...... Israel knows that this is how the game is played, periodically we appear to condemn them....our financial and military arrangements stay the same....

    The Arabs know it too.......that's part of why the whole situation never goes anywhere
    Yep, every president say this. Even Bush.

    Bush Criticizes New Israeli Settlements - General News - redOrbit

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    I'm slightly more optimistic. Probably because I have the benefit of being around when Menachem Begin was president of Israel. Begin was a militant Israeli Likud leader who was a former terrorist himself. Back when Begin was annexing these areas and rolling recent immigrants into the territories, almost no one dared say a single negative word about what Israel did. Over the years, people are speaking out -- more loudly and more often.

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    ^^PM Netanyahu isn't exactly a lamb. He's the CHAIRMAN if the Likud party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha View Post
    ^^PM Netanyahu isn't exactly a lamb. He's the CHAIRMAN if the Likud party.
    Netanyahu is one of the most ideologically driven Israeli PM's and Likud leaders that I can remember for decades. People believe that it was hysterical statements from guys like Netanyahu that led to Yitzhak Rabin's assassination. I'm surprised that Netanyahu is still politically viable because a lot of scandals and rumors of corruption cropped up toward the end of his first stint as PM.

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    I too was around under Begin....and while I can respect optimism, I can't share it.

    and I know the settlements were condemned by Carter, Reagan, Bush I, et al........and we can see the results of those condemnations, how Israel came to heel and stopped them....oh wait....

    "Our position on the settlements is very clear. We do not think they are legal, and they are obviously an impediment to peace."
    -- President Jimmy Carter, April 12, 1980


    Total settlement population: 61,500


    "The immediate adoption of a settlements freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel."
    -- President Ronald Reagan, Sept. 1, 1982


    Total settlement population (1983): 106,595


    "My position is that the foreign policy of the United States says we do not believe there should be new settlements in the West Bank or in East Jerusalem. And I will conduct that policy as if it's firm, which it is."
    -- President George H.W. Bush, March 3, 1990


    Total settlement population: 227,500


    "The Israeli people also must understand that . . . the settlement enterprise and building bypass roads in the heart of what they already know will one day be part of a Palestinian state is inconsistent with the Oslo commitment that both sides negotiate a compromise."
    -- President Bill Clinton, Jan. 7, 2001


    Total settlement population: 387,859


    "Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognized boundaries, consistent with United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338."
    -- President George W. Bush, April 4, 2002


    Total settlement population: 414,119


    "Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward."
    -- President Obama, May 18


    Total settlement population (2008): 479,500

    U.S. Presidential Statements on Settlements
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    That's one aspect of looking at it. Presidential statements, and what the Administration at that time is actually willing to do about it, are two different things. From what I remember, George HW Bush actually threatened to hold up Israel's much-desired $10 Billion in loan guarantees over a settlement freeze. Among strong Israel supporters, that was considered cold water in the face.

    Aside from what U.S. Presidents say, which I still think is important, Israel's own internal dynamics are more important than anything else:

    1. Israel has grown tired of battling on all fronts.

    2. After the latest disastrous campaign in Lebanon, Israel knows that they can't stop missile attacks through an extensive bombing campaign.

    3. Israel has a lot more "dovish" activist groups in its country than it did 20-30 years ago.

    4. I honestly think there is more of a consensus in the U.S. than ever (even among Israel supporters), that the only way that there will be peace in the Middle East, and a way to squelch the kind of anger that leads to Islamic militancy, is for their to be a viable Palestinian state next to Israel.

    However, Israel's hawks in the Likud in other parties seem to be furiously trying to create such a fractured layout in the West Bank, that it would be almost impossible to pull the fragments together to create a viable Palestinian state there.

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    1. Israel has grown tired of battling on all fronts.

    Hmm, I dunno. Now they are accusing Bolivia and Venezuela of providing Iran with plutonium. This, after both countries cut diplomatic ties over the last 'incursion' into Palestine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    That's one aspect of looking at it. Presidential statements, and what the Administration at that time is actually willing to do about it, are two different things. From what I remember, George HW Bush actually threatened to hold up Israel's much-desired $10 Billion in loan guarantees over a settlement freeze. Among strong Israel supporters, that was considered cold water in the face.
    The Bush-Baker loan freeze attempt was a failure. In the end they got the money, and kept building the settlements. Clinton tried it too, with the same result.


    A viable Palestinian state is the only way this will end. The young people in this area need to decide, if they want to change, or keep fighting these same fights for another few generations.
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