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    Question More people "Pro life" *anti-choice cough* than Pro Choice for first time in US

    PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.



    The new results, obtained from Gallup's annual Values and Beliefs survey, represent a significant shift from a year ago, when 50% were pro-choice and 44% pro-life. Prior to now, the highest percentage identifying as pro-life was 46%, in both August 2001 and May 2002.

    The May 2009 survey documents comparable changes in public views about the legality of abortion. In answer to a question providing three options for the extent to which abortion should be legal, about as many Americans now say the procedure should be illegal in all circumstances (23%) as say it should be legal under any circumstances (22%). This contrasts with the last four years, when Gallup found a strong tilt of public attitudes in favor of unrestricted abortion.



    Gallup also found public preferences for the extreme views on abortion about even -- as they are today -- in 2005 and 2002, as well as during much of the first decade of polling on this question from 1975 to 1985. Still, the dominant position on this question remains the middle option, as it has continuously since 1975: 53% currently say abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances.

    When the views of this middle group are probed further -- asking these respondents whether they believe abortion should be legal in most or only a few circumstances -- Gallup finds the following breakdown in opinion.



    Americans' recent shift toward the pro-life position is confirmed in two other surveys. The same three abortion questions asked on the Gallup Values and Beliefs survey were included in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from May 12-13, with nearly identical results, including a 50% to 43% pro-life versus pro-choice split on the self-identification question.



    Additionally, a recent national survey by the Pew Research Center recorded an eight percentage-point decline since last August in those saying abortion should be legal in all or most cases, from 54% to 46%. The percentage saying abortion should be legal in only a few or no cases increased from 41% to 44% over the same period. As a result, support for the two broad positions is now about even, sharply different from most polling on this question since 1995, when the majority has typically favored legality.

    Republicans Move to the Right

    The source of the shift in abortion views is clear in the Gallup Values and Beliefs survey. The percentage of Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) calling themselves "pro-life" rose by 10 points over the past year, from 60% to 70%, while there has been essentially no change in the views of Democrats and Democratic leaners.





    Similarly, by ideology, all of the increase in pro-life sentiment is seen among self-identified conservatives and moderates; the abortion views of political liberals have not changed.



    "Pro-Life" Up Among Catholics and Protestants

    One of the more prominent news stories touching on the abortion issue in recent months involves President Barack Obama's commencement speech and the bestowal of an honorary doctorate degree on him at the University of Notre Dame -- a Roman Catholic institution -- on Sunday. The invitation has drawn criticism from conservative Catholics and the church hierarchy because of Obama's policies in favor of legalizing and funding abortion, and the controversy might have been expected to strengthen the pro-life leanings of rank-and-file Catholics.

    Nevertheless, the swelling of the pro-life position since last year is seen across Christian religious affiliations, including an eight-point gain among Protestants and a seven-point gain among Catholics.


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    More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time
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    I always wonder about these studies. How do they contact and select the respondents? Is it truly a balanced sample, etc?

    It also seems like abortion would be a tough one to poll because so many people's views are in shades of grey. A lot of people hold one view for themselves, and another for the rest of the world. I know so many women who say, 'I'm pro-choice but I couldn't ever have an abortion myself.'

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    or the anti-choicers who are hypocrites and get flushed every so often
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    5.14.2009

    Is Public Opinion Changing on Abortion?

    by Nate Silver @ 12:39 PM

    A new survey from Pew Research which suggests that a declining number of Americans support the option of abortion in all or most cases is receiving a fair amount of attention. But is there actually any evidence that public sentiments on abortion are changing?

    In my opinion, probably not -- and if there is change in public opinion, it is occurring very slowly. The chart below is populated with data from PollingReport.com and incorporates data from eight organizations -- ABC/Washington Post, Quinnipiac, Pew, LA Times/Bloomberg, AP/Ipsos, CBS, NBC/WSJ and CNN -- that ask respondents a four-option question about abortion, where they are given a choice between saying abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in most cases, illegal in all cases, or illegal in most cases. We then draw a linear trendline through the individual datapoints.



    Although two recent surveys -- the Pew poll conducted last month and an NBC/WSJ poll conducted in September -- indicated smaller-than-usual margins for the legal option, this is countered by a large amount of data from earlier in 2008 which indicated support for legal abortion at about its typical levels in the mid-50's. While it's possible that public opinion has shifted more dramatically on this issue since sometime late last year, it seems highly unlikely. Polls don't move without reasons, and abortion hasn't been particularly in the news of late. Who knows -- maybe Baby Trig won over a few hearts and minds -- but odds are the Pew result is a mild outlier. Since the abortion choice question is surveyed quite frequently, we will know soon enough.

    As far as a longer-term trend goes, you can arguably perceive a slight one in favor of those saying abortion should be illegal. On the other hand, if we look at a different type of survey question -- those asking the respondent to identify as pro-choice or pro-life -- we do not perceive any such pattern:



    Or, if you like, we can combine the two types of surveys onto one graph:



    There's just no trend at all there, except maybe toward slightly more people having an opinion, one way or the other, about the abortion choice question.

    In fact, the remarkable thing about abortion is precisely how steady public opinion has been on it for many, many years. Perhaps this in and of itself is interesting -- as Ross Douthat pointed out, there is some decent evidence that Gen Y'ers are less inclined to take the pro-choice position than Gen X'ers or Baby Boomers -- although they are still more pro-choice than the voters they are gradually replacing in the voting pool, which are members of the Silent Generation. This is in spite of the fact that young Americans are considerably more liberal than their peers on issues like gay marriage and marijuana legalization, issues on which there is more tangible evidence of "momentum" in favor of the liberal position. There are evidently an increasing number of pro-life, pro-gay marriage Americans, particularly among Generation Yers, a position it would have been very unusual to encounter just a few years ago.
    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Is Public Opinion Changing on Abortion?

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    Wtf ever, stay out of business that isn't fucking yours.

    Don't like abortion? Don't have one.

    Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one.

    What other people do with their personal lives doesn't affect you. Mind your own fucking business.
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    That's just because it's been way too long since women didn't have the option. Give this new spoiled anti-choice generation (a good percentage of whom have had themselves hoovered) a year without it and I bet it would do drastic things to that percentage.
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    All our work for women's rights . This generation doesn't realize what it was like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsDark View Post
    That's just because it's been way too long since women didn't have the option. Give this new spoiled anti-choice generation (a good percentage of whom have had themselves hoovered) a year without it and I bet it would do drastic things to that percentage.
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    All our work for women's rights . This generation doesn't realize what it was like.
    Yup. I think of older generations who knew girls who had illegal abortions decades ago and either became sterile because they were done incorrectly or died. Kids today just can't imagine that.

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    It was bound to happen, pro-lifers are breeders, pro-choicers are not. I only hope this doesn't turn out to be a war of attrition.
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    It doesn't have to be, just abort them.

    ... no, it doesn't matter that they're already born.
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    i'm not surprised.
    however, i don't think issues like abortion, gay rights, etc. should be put to a vote. they are minority rights that often need to be defended from the majority. and i don't think it's anti-democratic either. democracy doesn't mean tyranny of the majority, and that's why institutions like the supreme court (in the case of the US) are put in place, as a safeguard and a check on majority rule.
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    I'm always suspicious of polls because most of them are conducted over the phone, which I believe skews the results toward older people. A lot of people under 30 don't have landlines anymore.

    However, "they" say that we are moving toward being more conservative as a nation after the most recent pornification culture of shaved beavers, fake tits, sex tapes, and Paris Hilton-type famewhores. It's like some people are becoming more prudish in response.

    Try having a discussion with your 65-yo MIL about gay rights. That's fun

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    I am not big on polls either
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    I flat don't believe this.
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    I don't believe it either.
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