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    Angry Pres. Obama continuing Bush admin legacy of immunity for warrantless wiretapping

    dude needs to get his shit straight.

    NOW.

    I'm getting a number of emails about this. People are pissed. After all, Obama did promise to filibuster FISA, once upon a time. More from McJoan:



    In three separate cases in as many months, the Obama Justice Department has used the same arguments that the Bush administration Justice Department used to attempt to stop judicial review of extraordinary rendition and warrantless wiretapping. In the Mohamed v. Jeppesen extraordinary rendition case, the Obama administration reiterated the Bush administration argument that the case should be dismissed to preserve "states secrets." Likewise, in the Al-Haramain wiretapping case, Obama's DOJ used the arguments of the Bush administration to argue, again, that state secrets should prevent the Al-Haramain case--in which the only secret isn't a secret because it was inadvertently shared with plaintiff's attorneys--from moving forward.

    Late Friday, the Obama DOJ actually went the Bush administration one argument further, in a third case. In Jewel v. NSA, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is "suing the National Security Agency (NSA) and other government agencies on behalf of AT&T customers to stop the illegal, unconstitutional, and ongoing dragnet surveillance of their communications and communications records." The Obama administration filed its first response [pdf] to the suit Friday, demanding dismissal of the entire suit.


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    I'll keep my guns, my money, and my freedom.....you can keep the "Change".

    I read that on the back of some old redneck's truck the other day.

    Oh and he's getting ready to pass a law, so I was told by the gun handlers at Bass Pro Shop, that EVERY ONE that buys a pistol will have to get a concealed weapons permit. WTF? Let's help them hide them in public, legally? Stupid, stupid man. Then also, once you get the permit, and you are issued the gun, the government can come in to your house at any given time. No questions asked.

    As far as if this will pass, I have no clue, but that's what we were told while shopping for paint balls the other day.

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    ... and have you independently confirmed this or is it just gun nut paranoia

    .. and how would that allow "the government" to waltz into your house? What does that mean exactly?

    That ol redneck is obviously ignorant of the rights he's already lost under a good ol boy Republican. That's typical though. The moronic chant of "freedum" from those who don't know any better.
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    Nope, sure haven't, and that's why I said I was told, and didn't say it was fact.

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    Sounds idiotic enough to be completely fake-ass retarded. The Rethugs and their sycophants have been pushing the whole "Obama will take yer GUNZZZZ" meme for months now.
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    That could have something to do with Obama actually trying to ban handguns in IL, and not with rethugs being paranoid for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Oh and he's getting ready to pass a law, so I was told by the gun handlers at Bass Pro Shop, that EVERY ONE that buys a pistol will have to get a concealed weapons permit. WTF? Let's help them hide them in public, legally? Stupid, stupid man. Then also, once you get the permit, and you are issued the gun, the government can come in to your house at any given time. No questions asked.
    Sounds completely made up. Possibly as a result of playing telephone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    That could have something to do with Obama actually trying to ban handguns in IL, and not with rethugs being paranoid for no reason.
    rethugs are always paranoid for no reason. they piss their panties at everything. that's why conservatives exist. People afraid of their own shadows trying to hold on to the past.
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    Yeah, well I find both sides have there hang ups. I will agree with what you said, but I think both sides should be bashed equally.

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    After all, Obama did promise to filibuster FISA, once upon a time
    Yeah, and then he voted for it

    We call that a lie where I come from.
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    Anyone who thought Obama was going to save us all from the evil morass needs their head examined.

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    ^^ Agreed.

    In fact we could insert any politician's name in that sentence and it's still true.
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    Wednesday April 8, 2009 10:26 EDT
    Keith Olbermann's scathing criticism of Obama's secrecy/immunity claims

    Several weeks ago, I noted that unlike the Right -- which turned itself into a virtual cult of uncritical reverence for George W. Bush especially during the first several years of his administration -- large numbers of Bush critics have been admirably willing to criticize Obama when he embraces the very policies that prompted so much anger and controversy during the Bush years. Last night, Keith Olbermann -- who has undoubtedly been one of the most swooning and often-uncritical admirers of Barack Obama of anyone in the country (behavior for which I rather harshly criticized him in the past) -- devoted the first two segments of his show to emphatically lambasting Obama and Eric Holder's DOJ for the story I wrote about on Monday: namely, the Obama administration's use of the radical Bush/Cheney state secrets doctrine and -- worse still -- a brand new claim of "sovereign immunity" to insist that courts lack the authority to decide whether the Bush administration broke the law in illegally spying on Americans.

    The fact that Keith Olbermann, of all people, spent the first ten minutes of his show attacking Obama for replicating (and, in this instance, actually surpassing) some of the worst Bush/Cheney abuses of executive power and secrecy claims reflects just how extreme is the conduct of the Obama DOJ here. Just as revealingly, the top recommended Kos diary today (voted by the compulsively pro-Obama Kos readership) is one devoted to attacking Obama for his embrace of Bush/Cheney secrecy and immunity doctrines. Also, a front page Daily Kos post yesterday by McJoan vehemently criticizing Obama (and quoting my criticisms at length) sparked near universal condemnation of Obama in the hundreds of comments that followed. Additionally, my post on Monday spawned vehement objections to what Obama is doing in this area from the largest tech/privacy sites, such as Boing Boing and Slashdot.

    This is quite encouraging but should not be surprising. As much as anything else, what fueled the extreme hostility towards the Bush/Cheney administration were their imperious and radical efforts to place themselves behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy and above and beyond the rule of law. It would require a virtually pathological level of tribal loyalty and monumental intellectual dishonesty not to object just as vehemently as we watch the Obama DOJ repeatedly invoke these very same theories and, in this instance, actually invent a new one that not even the Bush administration espoused.

    To be clear: there are important areas in which Obama has been quite commendable, and I've personally praised him fairly lavishly for those actions (see, for instance, here, here and here), but it is simply unacceptable -- no matter what else is true about him -- for Obama to claim for himself the very legal immunity and secrecy powers which characterized and enabled the worst excesses of Bush lawlessness. Yet in a short period of time, he has taken one step after the next to do exactly that.

    The Olbermann segments, which are really worth watching, highlight the exact passages of the Obama DOJ's brief which I excerpted and posted on Monday, and underscore how intolerable the Obama administration's conduct in the area of transparency and civil liberties has increasingly become. Credit to Olbermann for highlighting this issue and commenting on it with such unrestrained candor. This should help galvanize greater action to make clear to the Obama administration that this conduct is completely unacceptable, and -- with Accountability Now, FDL and others -- I expect there to be some specific actions announced very shortly to begin pushing back, hard, against these serious transgressions:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30096316#30096316

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    Bottom line, Obama's not the Messiah some people thought he would be and he's not the anti-Christ other people like to think he is. Imagine that.

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    He doesn't have to be a fucking messiah to do the right thing. He just has to be decent, or at least not a complete retard.

    FAIL.
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