Crash winning Best Motion Picture one of the biggest Academy Awards upsets - Page 2

Luna · March 6th, 2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PaintTheTownRed

I loved Crash, I'm glad it won. Racism was just the top layer of this movie. I thought it was more about how judgemental we are of one another. We see people as good or bad only rather than seeing people as multi-dimensional which is more accurate. The "good" characters did bad things and the "bad" characters did good. The racism made us form judgements about the characters and then we followed their actions through the movie. It was brilliant and I thought it deserved to win.

Very good description. I feel the same.

Grimmlok · March 6th, 2006, 05:41 PM

See, I found the one dimensional characters and the related coincidences just a little too shallow for my taste.

muchlove · March 6th, 2006, 07:19 PM

We were cursing at the screen... we just went and saw Brokeback yesterday, and we were all tempted to buy more tickets and go right back in to see it again. That's how good it was. It was totally robbed... I'm glad Ang Lee got Best Director, but... Heath Ledger's performance was perfection, and the movie was instantly in my personal top 5 of all time.

I haven't seen Crash, but the few friends that have seen both say it just should not have won out over Brokeback. We're planning on watching Crash tonight to see if we think it actually deserved to win.

**NoDayButToday** · March 6th, 2006, 07:39 PM

When I was on the Oscar site doing their interactive TV thing, part of it was "who should win best picture". 73% of people on there said Brokeback, about 14% said Crash. We aren't the only ones upset over it.

deckchick · March 6th, 2006, 09:02 PM

I am a HUGE movie fan, I probably see 10-15 new ones every month, and I must say that Crash is, in my opinion, one of the best movies I have EVER seen. I am sure Brokeback is a very good movie too, but I am very glad Crash won. Crash is one of those movies you either loved it or hated it, but for me it was a very deep and thought provoking movie. I haven't seen Brokeback yet, so I can't comment on it, I will buy it when it's comes out on DVD.

darksithbunny · March 6th, 2006, 09:18 PM

I saw it. It was ok. I think it was a bit preachy at times. Racism hit it's peak a good 10 yrs ago. I think the next huge problem in the US anyways will be the class wars. It is already happen where I live. Been this way for, well, 10 yrs!

They are trying to do away with the middle class. Only rich and poor. Happening right in my town. Most of the working/middle class can't afford homes. Waiting for the next Hollywood movie about that.

Voodoo Child · March 6th, 2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Well at least Jawnifer Maniston looked like fake-baked ass as she masticated her way through presenting one of the categories.

Wtf does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Grimmlok · March 6th, 2006, 11:03 PM

It gives me comfort since my gays lost

**Tati** · March 7th, 2006, 12:10 AM

I thought both films were very good. Crash was a bit heavy-handed, but at the same time, I don't think it was at all one-dimensional, and those deeper layers and the performances really saved it.

When I first started reading this thread, I was a little surprised, because I thought either movie was deserving of the win. Now that I've reflected upon it a bit more, though, I too would have to say that Brokeback was the superior film. It's not something that's necessarily easy to define, how do I put this...? When I was watching Brokeback Mountain, I didn't feel I was sitting in a theatre watching a movie on a screen. I felt like I was sneaking a private glimpse into the lives of two men. Not everything was said, not everything was shown, a lot happened off-screen, the score was very deftly applied. Everything the characters said and did felt real to me. I didn't feel like a director was framing everything he wanted me to see, it was just something very natural and organic happening - slowly, as things tend to happen - and I was somehow privy to it.

Crash was essentially the opposite. The director's vision was easily apparent, and every scene came across as carefully orchestrated, every spoken word measured. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a movie after all. But it felt a little less natural, less subtle, and more constructed and therefore was, to me, a little less of an artistic achievement. Still a great film and an important one to see because of the human frailties it highlights. Brokeback doesn't highlight anything. It just tells a story, which to me makes for an overall better film, especially when you factor in the performances. But I'm not pissed, I do think both were excellent. Ang Lee definitely deserved the directing award, though, for his expertly light touch with Brokeback.

Voodoo Child · March 7th, 2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Grimmlok

It gives me comfort since my gays lost

Can someone please perform an exorcism on Grim??

muchlove · March 7th, 2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tati

Now that I've reflected upon it a bit more, though, I too would have to say that Brokeback was the superior film. It's not something that's necessarily easy to define, how do I put this...? When I was watching Brokeback Mountain, I didn't feel I was sitting in a theatre watching a movie on a screen. I felt like I was sneaking a private glimpse into the lives of two men. Not everything was said, not everything was shown, a lot happened off-screen, the score was very deftly applied. Everything the characters said and did felt real to me. I didn't feel like a director was framing everything he wanted me to see, it was just something very natural and organic happening - slowly, as things tend to happen - and I was somehow privy to it.

Crash was essentially the opposite. The director's vision was easily apparent, and every scene came across as carefully orchestrated, every spoken word measured. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a movie after all. But it felt a little less natural, less subtle, and more constructed and therefore was, to me, a little less of an artistic achievement. Still a great film and an important one to see because of the human frailties it highlights. Brokeback doesn't highlight anything. It just tells a story, which to me makes for an overall better film, especially when you factor in the performances. But I'm not pissed, I do think both were excellent. Ang Lee definitely deserved the directing award, though, for his expertly light touch with Brokeback.

I think you captured the essence of it perfectly. The story feels so natural and so real, you don't even feel like you're watching a movie anymore.

haggard · March 8th, 2006, 01:48 AM

I keep hearing people elsewhere talking about how the Academy is prejudiced because Brokeback didnt win...Didnt Philip Seymour Hoffman win Best Actor for Capote, and wasnt Truman Capote gay?

I dont know...I havent seen Brokeback and dont plan to, so I cant say whether or not it was better than Crash, but I do think that Crash was a very good movie, and definitely not undeserving of an Oscar...

AliceInWonderland · March 9th, 2006, 01:39 PM

I agree; Crash is a predictable piece of garbage!

MrsMarsters · March 10th, 2006, 02:18 AM

Crash was so horrible..we all know the reason it even won an award..is because it deals with some sort of racism that we barely even talk about in society..I hated hated the movie..the acting..and like you said the "one" dimensional characters..the acting was stiff...and yet overdone. This movie just needs to be burned

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Originally Posted by Tati

I thought both films were very good. Crash was a bit heavy-handed, but at the same time, I don't think it was at all one-dimensional, and those deeper layers and the performances really saved it.

When I first started reading this thread, I was a little surprised, because I thought either movie was deserving of the win. Now that I've reflected upon it a bit more, though, I too would have to say that Brokeback was the superior film. It's not something that's necessarily easy to define, how do I put this...? When I was watching Brokeback Mountain, I didn't feel I was sitting in a theatre watching a movie on a screen. I felt like I was sneaking a private glimpse into the lives of two men. Not everything was said, not everything was shown, a lot happened off-screen, the score was very deftly applied. Everything the characters said and did felt real to me. I didn't feel like a director was framing everything he wanted me to see, it was just something very natural and organic happening - slowly, as things tend to happen - and I was somehow privy to it.

Crash was essentially the opposite. The director's vision was easily apparent, and every scene came across as carefully orchestrated, every spoken word measured. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a movie after all. But it felt a little less natural, less subtle, and more constructed and therefore was, to me, a little less of an artistic achievement. Still a great film and an important one to see because of the human frailties it highlights. Brokeback doesn't highlight anything. It just tells a story, which to me makes for an overall better film, especially when you factor in the performances. But I'm not pissed, I do think both were excellent. Ang Lee definitely deserved the directing award, though, for his expertly light touch with Brokeback.

Yes you nailed it

SVZ · March 10th, 2006, 12:54 PM

crash felt more like a play to me...just the way that it was written lended itself more to the theatre than a film imo.

you had to suspend alot of reality to enjoy the film