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    They just don't come any more stupid than this.

    A US filmmaker has launched his own "moral values" prizes because he is unhappy at the awards success of films such as gay romance Brokeback Mountain.
    Michael Class urged "media leaders with a sense of patriotism and respect for family... to turn the American Values Awards into a high-profile event".

    This year's awards season has been dominated by films with politically and morally contentious storylines.

    Mr Class called Syriana, Munich and Brokeback Mountain "morally confused".

    Family films

    "Syriana blames America for terrorism. Munich confuses justice with vengeance. Brokeback Mountain? What's positive about a film whose main character's sexual behavior destroys a family?"

    "They are morally confused - I don't want my kids seeing them," said Mr Class, who heads an independent studio called Magic Picture Frame Studio.

    George Clooney's politically-charged Good Night, And Good Luck, and award front-runners Capote and Transamerica, about a man in the process of undergoing a sex change, have also upset right-wing film industry figures.

    Mr Class said his preferred frontrunners were family films The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe and Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
    So you won't let your children think for themselves and develop their own points of view? You'll restrict them from seeing life and opinion in all its variations?

    You don't want children, you want automatons. Also, if you had any grasp of history and if you didn't live in a fantasyland where beaver-cleaver is your idol, you'd be able to see the poignancy of the material presented. However, you seem content to merely want to see films that reinforce your own narrow view of the world. How do you grow as a person that way? Oh right. You don't. You calcify.

    In short, you suck sir.
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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    Seems clear as mud to me. Sex is obviously confusing, whereas violence is good for children. It's the perfect solution. Let violence influence your child and then they will end up dead before having to make those nasty decisions like "with whom should I sleep?" If you keep an open mind, all kind of crazy stuff falls into it. However, if you keep a closed mind, then you never have to worry about rearranging it or changing it. Tidy, tidy, tidy.

    It's hard to type with my tongue that far into my cheek. Stops the flow of blood to my brain....rather like Mr. Class.....speaking of irony....

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    Good Lord!!! When was the last time that 'family films' were the forerunners for any sort of movie award? Family films don't usually win awards becuase they are often very 'watered-down' stories - and rightly so, they are for children and adults alike.

    Award winners are most often realistic, honest and sometimes painful...most have R ratings. It's all starting to go a bit to far. As a Catholic I'm a bit embarassed with the battles that Christian groups and others who speak for 'moral values' are choosing to fight. You don't fight the battles about the moral virtue of entertainment in the public sector - it just doesn't make sense. You fight that battle in your home, with your children and the kind of entertainment you'll allow them to participate in.

    Seems to me there are bigger public issues to address. I'm not concerned about the morality of my movies - I'm concerned about the morality of my government officials and my priests. I'm interested in some honest answers about this war, some truthful and informed dialogue about the state of abortion rights in this country...but mostly I want to know what in the hell can be done to get these 'high and mighty', 'morally astute' and 'holier than thou' morons to stop shitting all over the moral dilemmas of our time. It's not about gay cowboys for crying outloud, it's about lying politicians and pedophile priests...good God, don't we have bigger issues!!!

    Forgive me, I'm usually a bit more reserved than that, but I'm very pregnant and irritated at the world today.

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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    *opens an umbrella just in case*

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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    This man is a 50-year-old child.

    A US filmmaker has launched his own "moral values" prizes because
    he is unhappy at the awards success of films such as gay romance
    Brokeback Mountain.

    Michael Class urged "media leaders with a sense of patriotism and respect
    for family... to turn the American Values Awards into a high-profile event".

    This year's awards season has been dominated by films with politically and
    morally contentious storylines.

    Mr Class called Syriana, Munich and Brokeback Mountain "morally confused".
    The awards are fine by me, even if they are awarded by a nobody.
    But his reasoning below seems almost sick.

    Family films

    "Syriana blames America for terrorism. Munich confuses justice
    with vengeance. Brokeback Mountain? What's positive about a film
    whose main character's sexual behavior destroys a family?"

    "They are morally confused - I don't want my kids seeing them," said
    Mr Class, who heads an independent studio called Magic Picture Frame Studio.
    I'm sick and tired of these people using their children as shields.
    Protecting your children means treating me like a child, and I
    resent it.

    And I have never pretended that a film needs to be positive.
    Platoon isn't positive; neither are films like Chinatown, Network,
    They Were Expendable (A John Ford war movie) or The Deer Hunter.
    Does he expect to raise his children in Disneyland?

    What's more, if he doesn't think American politicians have caused
    terrorism and coup d'etats (regime changes) all over the world
    for the benefit of our corporate overlords, I recommend he read this:



    His comments on Munich clash directly with the words of
    former Atty-General John Ashcroft, who famously remarked,
    "Justice is about violence, about revenge" --before 9/11.
    Ashcroft is gone, but that mindset still dominates Washington politics.
    Did he vote for W knowing that they feel this way?

    George Clooney's politically-charged Good Night, And Good Luck, and
    award front-runners Capote and Transamerica, about a man in the process
    of undergoing a sex change, have also upset right-wing film industry figures.
    No offense to the Transamerica crowd -- haven't seen it -- but do
    they have any idea how few people are going to go see these things,
    even among liberals? The ONLY thing they're made for is to give
    prominent roles to actors; everyone wants to play a character with
    more lines than MacBeth. They don't release movies like Brokeback
    because they think it'll increase gay recruitment.

    (And think about the production costs -- just film the cowboys outside;
    you don't have to build sets. Just film a few conversations about
    "the big sex change" and the "implications" and you'll have 2/3 of
    Transamerica; you can film it in your neighbor's house. They're cheap!)

    Mr Class said his preferred frontrunners were family films The Chronicles of
    Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe and Harry Potter and the
    Goblet of Fire.
    Three children's movies, in other words.

    If Class has his way, there will be a renewed MPPC (Motion Picture
    Production Code) designed to censor scripts before they are filmed,
    and to blacklist industry figures who try and depict unpleasant
    truths about America (George Clooney is actually making daring films
    this year). The only safe films for his children will turn them into
    defiant patriots whose images of war and international crimes
    are no more un-American with the sanitized world view in
    Sands of Iwo Jima.

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    ^ I'll probably see TransAmerica, and so will a lot of people I know. My hometown is good about showing independent films. Honestly, I've heard it is fantastic, regardless of how cheap it was to make. The actors are supposed to perform beautifully in the movie, and that is why I want to see it. There aren't as many movies coming out where they are performed well (as a theater person at heart I'd rather see a fantastic performance by a skilled artist than a big-budget explosion flick or horror movie), so I will see just about any movie where I hear the performances were good.

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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    I wouldnt want my kids seeing those movies either. Not because they're "morally bankrupt" but because they're movies made for adults, and depending on the age of the kid, they probably arent going to understand or care at all about the movie.

    Kids grow up too fast anyway...why push it by being like "here, watch this movie about 2 gay cowboys because I want you to be understanding of the homosexual community."

    Kids dont need to see every single "controversial" movie just to be understanding of the subject...they'll figure out that stuff on their own eventually.

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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    Well nobody is PUSHING their children to see movies, but the people who object to the movies THEMSELVES seem to think that.

    If the kids want to see it, let em see it. Chances are they won't anyway. The crazies just think that because the movie is even in the theatre, it'll lead to the downfall of society or something.
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    Conservatives are so xenophobic when it comes to movies of different topics or opinions. If it ain't a blow-em-up, USA war movie or a crappy family movie then it's unpatriotic. Conservatives are so dim-headed in thinking.

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    Default Re: Another conservative links "immoral" movies with being unpatriotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Authority
    Conservatives are so xenophobic when it comes to movies of different topics or opinions. If it ain't a blow-em-up, USA war movie or a crappy family movie then it's unpatriotic. Conservatives are so dim-headed in thinking.
    Perhaps the war machine just wants movies that will turn children
    into soldiers when they grow up -- to keep supplying the war machine
    with helicopter pilots, infantrymen, what-have-you, for future
    "regime changes" in countries abroad.

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