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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    This is amazing: With 86 percent of Tour de France winners since 1967 having been implicated in doping, perhaps you don't win races by being a naturally gifted athlete either.
    Wow. it really is pretty much ALL of them!
    And Lance Armstrong, a guy who had a cancerous testicle removed, along with necrotic, cancerous pieces of his brian scooped out in 1996, with a predicted 40% chance of survival, went on to not only live, but beat his fellow Tour de France competitors, the majority of whom were much, much healthier cheaters.

    I know cheating is wrong, but it's hard for me to get too worked up about that.
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    Sheryl Crow interviewed by federal agents as part of doping investigation into Lance Armstrong's Tour de France-winning teams

    The Grammy-winning musician, who was once engaged to Armstrong, was interviewed by federal agents in late 2011 the Daily News learns

    Comments (47) By Nathaniel Vinton / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

    Friday, August 31, 2012, 8:36 PM


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    Sheryl Crow interviews with federal agents in 2011 as part of doping investigation involving Lance Armstrong (r.).

    When the doper’s code of silence around Lance Armstrong cracked, Sheryl Crow was obliged to sing.

    Crow, who was once engaged to the tarnished cyclist, provided information last year in a far-reaching federal investigation into the doping programs that fueled her former fiancé’s victorious Tour de France teams, the Daily News has learned.

    Federal agents interviewed the Grammy-winning musician in late 2011, just before a grand jury probe into Armstrong and his associates abruptly ended without any criminal charges being handed up.

    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency banned Armstrong on Aug. 24 and stripped his Tour de France titles
    after Armstrong abandoned a legal challenge to doping charges the non-profit agency issued in June. According to USADA, more than 10 cyclists cooperated with its two-year probe of Armstrong’s teams, which paralleled the federal investigation.

    Armstrong, now 40, has vowed he competed clean, but a tidal wave of inside information about doping conspiracies on his teams is now flooding into public view, testing the promise Armstrong issued last week in which he claimed he is finished answering questions about the matter.

    Food and Drug Administration criminal investigator Jeff Novitzky, who helped lead the government’s investigation, declined to comment when asked about the feds’ interview with Crow. Lawyers for Armstrong did not respond to an email the Daily News sent Thursday afternoon seeking comment about Crow’s role in the investigation.

    An attorney who advised the celebrated songwriter about cooperating with the investigation also declined to comment on the matter when the Daily News contacted him Thursday morning.

    “I’m not going to comment one way or the other,” said the attorney, Jay Cooper, citing attorney-client privilege among the reasons he wouldn’t comment.

    ROBERT PRATTA/REUTERS



    The grand jury’s probe came to an abrupt end in February 2012 when the U.S. Attorney’s office in Los Angeles announced it had suspended the case without filing charges. The grand jury is not believed to have issued a no-true bill rejecting the government’s case, meaning that Armstrong theoretically still faces legal jeopardy.

    Crow’s relationship with Armstrong became public in 2003, after Armstrong divorced his wife of five years, Kristin Armstrong. The celebrity romance spanned the last two of Armstrong’s now-invalidated seven Tour de France victories, and coincided with the sophisticated doping exploits and cover-ups that witnesses have described as an open secret within Armstrong’s inner circle.

    “Lance Armstrong’s War,” a 2005 book by Daniel Coyle that opened a window on Crow and Armstrong’s charmed life together in Europe, features a scene in which Italian doctor Michele Ferrari worries the singer’s presence with the team distracts Armstrong from his preparation. (USADA banned Ferrari in July as part of the Armstrong doping case, describing him as a crucial accessory; Ferrari denied the charges in a statement on his website, but chose not to fight the ban.)

    Armstrong and Crow publicly called off their five-month marriage engagement in early 2006, about two weeks before Crow announced she had been diagnosed with breast cancer. She underwent a lumpectomy to treat ductal carcinoma in situ in her left breast. She and Armstrong spoke fondly of each other after parting ways.

    While they were together, they were one of America’s golden couples — two cosmopolitan beautiful people at the rarefied heights of their respective careers. They lived a jet-setting life in Los Angeles, Spain and Texas, giving cozy interviews to Oprah Winfrey about the cute way their love had blossomed during Andre Agassi’s charity event in Las Vegas.

    Crow stayed with Armstrong in an apartment in Girona, Spain, that Armstrong’s former teammates, Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton, have described as a distribution point for performance-enhancing drugs and a place to store bags of blood before reinfusing it at big races — a banned and then all-but-undetectable doping method that boosts a rider’s red blood cell count, instantly building endurance.

    Crow also traveled with Armstrong in private jets that Landis and Hamilton have said were critical to doping schemes.

    Hamilton mentions Crow briefly in a new book written in partnership with Coyle, claiming in a footnote that a “source close to the investigation” said that Crow was subpoenaed weeks before the grand jury probe’s closure.

    The Daily News purchased a copy of the Hamilton book from a bookstore in Manhattan on Thursday night, after learning of Crow’s involvement in the probe and after having contacted Cooper and others for comments. The official on-sale date for the book, “The Secret Race,” is Wednesday. The book describes how Hamilton and his teammates doped and covered it up.

    Hamilton’s graphic tell-all is cycling’s answer to Jose Canseco’s 2005 baseball steroid memoir, “Juiced” — only with the machismo replaced by sadness and pain. The doping methods are far more gruesome, involving furtive storage and transport of blood bags. Hamilton claims that before the 1999 Tour de France Armstrong gave him erythropoetin (the banned blood booster EPO) that he kept in the fridge in Spain.

    In 2005, soon after accepting Armstrong’s marriage proposal in a boat on a lake near Stanley, Idaho, Crow gave an interview to USA Today in which she discussed their relationship and her new album, Wildflowers. The interviewer asked Crow about the doping allegations that followed Armstrong throughout his career.

    At the time of the interview, Armstrong had recently attacked a damaging report from the French daily sports newspaper L’Equipe, where investigative reporter Damien Ressiot revealed that an anti-doping laboratory had found EPO in code-labeled samples of Armstrong’s urine from the 1999 Tour de France.

    Armstrong had cited alleged French anti-Americanism as an explanation for the tainted samples, but Crow saw things differently.

    “I don’t think the French people are on a mission to strip him of his integrity,” Crow said. “It’s just a handful of people pursuing that theory, and it’s tiresome and a nuisance, and it will eventually end, I hope.”

    Richard Corkery/New York Daily News

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    Lance Armstrong**'s former assistant Mike Anderson has penned a scathing article about the disgraced cyclist for Outside magazine.

    Anderson, who worked as Armstrong's personal assistant and mechanic from 2002 to 2004, calls Armstrong a vengeful, spiteful man who tried to destroy anyone who disagreed with him about anything.

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    Anderson also claims he saw Androstenedione, a banned steroid in Armstrong's medicine cabinet, and heard him say he "hated going to these f**king things" in reference to his Livestrong Foundation events.

    As RadarOnline.com reported, on August 24, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency stripped Armstrong of his seven Tour de France titles shortly after he announced he was going to give up his legal challenges against the organization.

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    But Anderson's article is less about Armstrong's use of performance-enchaning drugs than about how he dealt with the people around him.

    He constantly feuded with team members, Anderson claims, and sought to discredit any who left his team to head out on their own.

    Anderson described being told to de-Kiking Armstrong''s apartment in Spain prior to a race there because Lance would be bringing girlfriend Sheryl Crowe** with him. Kik was Armstrong's wife Kristins nickname. Anderson said he was told to get rid of everything of hers, with no instructions about where things should go. There was clothing, personal items, mementos, and family photos, and it was all dumped like ordinary trash.

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    "In the middle of this purge, I found a prescription box in the medicine cabinetto the side of the vanity in the bathroomthat sent everything spiraling. I knew what it was. Not exactly at first, but I sensed from my rudimentary knowledge of medicine that this box shouldnt be in the bathroom of a professional cyclist.

    The label said Androstenedione. I looked it up on a laptop computer Armstrong had given me months before. I was searching for valid reasons why he would have this substance, a banned steroid. There were none. I put it back and did my best to forget about it."

    Armstrong continues to claim he never took performance-enhancing drugs.
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    Default The Whole Mike Anderson / Lance Armstrong article (all 11 pages).

    Outside Online
    Friday, August 31, 2012
    My Life With Lance Armstrong

    I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the bike.
    By: Mike Anderson

    Mike Anderson in 2005, at his home in Austin, Texas. Photo: Thomas Terry/Associated Press



    [IMG]http://media.outsideonline.com/images/134*213/armstrong-andersen-sidebar.jpg[/IMG] Drugs and the Peloton

    Outside's best reporting on sports doping and Lance Armstrong's battles with his accusers.
    Team Armstrong Responds

    Mark Fabiani's rebuttal to Mike Anderson.

    Last week, just before the news broke that Lance Armstrong had decided to walk away from his battle with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) and accept the likely loss of seven Tour de France titles, Betsy Andreu gave an interview to Bill Strickland, an editor-at-large for Bicycling magazine who has written frequently about the allegations that Armstrong doped. Betsy, the wife of one-time Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu, has been a public critic of Armstrong’s for a long time, starting back in 2005. That year she and Frankie both gave depositions saying that in 1996 they heard Armstrong tell doctors in an Indianapolis hospital room that he’d used EPO, human growth hormone, cortisone, steroids, and testosterone.
    Armstrong has always denied that. As often happens with him, the denial has been accompanied by harsh attacks on the messenger. So, in his telling, Betsy wasn’t just mistaken about what she said she’d heard, she was a liar and a shrew, motivated by “bitterness, jealousy, and hatred.” In fact, her motivation was straightforward: she was subpoenaed to give a sworn statement in a legal dispute between Armstrong and Dallas-based SCA Promotions, which was trying to withhold a $5 million bonus payment to Armstrong based on allegations that he’d doped to win the 2004 Tour de France.
    Strickland asked her what it was like to be blasted for speaking honestly. “What’s the upside been, going up against Lance?” she said. “To be publicly and privately portrayed as an ugly, obese, jealous, obsessed, hateful, crazed bitch?” She pointed out that crossing Armstrong wasn’t exactly good for her husband’s career arc in bike racing—she believes he lost his 2006 job as team director for Toyota-United because of the controversy surrounding their statements.
    Andreu isn’t alone in being vilified. Others on the list include David Walsh (co-author of the investigative book L.A. Confidentiel, who Armstrong once called “a fucking little troll”), Greg LeMond, Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, Emma O’Reilly, Richard Pound, Travis Tygart, and me.
    I joined Armstrong’s staff in late 2002 as a mechanic, trail builder, and all-around handyman and assistant. At that time, we were friends who had often been on mountain-bike rides together, and he had made a written and verbal commitment to finance my dream of opening an Austin bike shop once my work with him was done. Armstrong soured on me for reasons that had nothing to do with my performance as an employee, and when I was abruptly fired in late 2004, no clear reason was given for my termination. He reneged on the promise about the bike shop and started attacking me, personally and professionally, in a way that ruined my job prospects in Austin. I ended up moving my family to New Zealand to start a new life.
    Keep in mind that Armstrong went on the offensive first—filing a civil suit that alleged I was extorting him—simply because I was trying to get him to live up to a business agreement we’d made. Unlike some of his foes, such as Landis and LeMond, I had never said a harsh word about him in public. I countersued to protect my livelihood and reputation, and during a battle that was ultimately settled out of court, Armstrong and his lawyers dismissed me as a disgruntled schemer, a line they continue to push whenever my name comes up. A fact sheet that Armstrong’s camp supplies in response to journalists’ queries about me is headlined “Anderson’s Complete Lack of Credibility.”
    Armstrong is having a bad year, and it’s about to get worse. His lawyers’ efforts to derail USADA’s case against him—a scorched-earth campaign aimed at destroying the organization outright—failed, so he chose to quit rather than keep fighting. But more revelations are coming soon, with the release of The Secret Race, a tell-all by Tyler Hamilton and co-author Daniel Coyle that promises to expose U.S. Postal’s organized doping program in excruciating detail. Judging by an Associated Press report based on an advance copy, the book could be the death blow to Armstrong’s reputation as an athlete.
    Unlike Hamilton, I can’t offer dramatic proof that Armstrong doped—the evidence I saw and heard was convincing to me, but it was also circumstantial—but I can shed light on how he operates as a friend and an employer. This is relevant because Armstrong’s strongest remaining line of defense is that he’s a good guy who’s being victimized, a theme that permeated his statement last Thursday. He still doesn’t admit that he cheated, instead claiming that he’s walking away because USADA’s “charade” is rigged and the legal battles are taking too much of a toll on him and his family. “From the beginning,” he wrote, “this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs.”



    If you’ve followed the reactions to Armstrong’s decision, you know that many people—fans and journalists alike—believe him. “I never thought I’d see #Armstrong quit,” read a typical tweet. “But this smells more like a witch hunt by #USADA than anything else. He’s never failed a test.”
    The standard Armstrong defense starts with the naive assumption that it’s impossible to beat drug tests and usually rounds out like this: Even if Armstrong did cheat, he’s a person who came along when drugs were endemic to the sport of bike racing, and he got sucked into using them like many others did. But that era is behind us, so we should let it drop and move on, celebrating Armstrong for the good work he does as a cancer philanthropist. “Yes, Lance has 2B stripped of his 7 Tour de France titles now,” ESPN columnist Rick Reilly wrote in his Twitter feed. “Still, to millions, his work for cancer victims alone makes him a champion.”
    “Lance Armstrong is a good man,” Sally Jenkins (co-author of It’s Not About the Bike) declared in a Washington Post column that took dead aim at USADA. “There’s nothing that I can learn about him short of murder that would alter my opinion on that.”
    I might be sympathetic if I hadn’t worked for Armstrong, hadn’t seen him act so often based on a combination of self-interest and spite. Many of the episodes I discuss in what follows—including what I observed on the doping front—have been aired before, in depositions taken during the lawsuits. Some haven’t been heard anywhere, including the statements I made last year to Jeff Novitzky during the FDA investigator’s failed attempt to take Armstrong to federal court.
    I’m telling my story now because millions of people still look up to Armstrong as a role model. That’s their choice, and I think it’s possible he can emerge from the wreckage and continue his second career as a fundraiser for cancer awareness. But he needs to come clean at this point, and the people who support him need to understand that he isn’t and never has been a victim. Here, too, Betsy Andreu put it best: “Until the truth is told, you’re not even dealing with reality.”
    I'VE BEEN MADLY IN love with cycling since I was five. Not the sport at first but the bikes themselves—for the exhilaration they gave me as an Army brat, constantly being moved from place to place and needing consistency wherever I could find it. Growing up that way made me an independent kid, a trait encouraged by my very independent Irish Catholic mother. I wasn’t into team sports at all. The only vaguely sporting thing I liked was racing down the street or through the woods on a bike.
    In 1989, when I was 17, my father retired from the Army and we moved to Dallas, where my parents had grown up. About halfway through my senior year in high school, I got a job at one of the huge bike shops that sprouted during the sport’s late-'80s boom. That’s where I first heard the name Greg LeMond and developed an interest in road racing. The sport was mainly contested in Europe, and it had the Old World feel and traditions. Even better, it seemed like an individual’s pursuit, and for once an American was winning.
    The shop was owned by a well-to-do South African who sponsored a junior racing team and spent generously to provide good kit and a proper coach. The team members were off racing most weekends, often returning with stories to tell. Some were about another kid who was already dominating, and not always in a nice way. His name was Lance Armstrong, and like me, he was 17.



    At the time, Armstrong was sponsored by a shop down the road and looked after by the owner, Jim Hoyt, whose role seemed to be equal parts Daddy Warbucks and Il Duce. News of their tumultuous relationship traveled fast in Dallas bike circles. One early legend concerned an abandoned car, an IROC-Z28 owned by Armstrong but cosigned for by Hoyt and registered under Hoyt’s name. Armstrong had reportedly ditched the car and the passengers—his friends—while fleeing from the police one night, and he refused to apologize to Hoyt, which damaged their relationship for years. Such tales formed my initial picture of Armstrong as arrogant and reckless.
    Throughout the '90s, I focused on college and graduate school, but I still rode and raced, especially mountain bikes, which I found more exciting. Armstrong turned pro as a road racer, riding for Motorola between 1992 and 1996. His name came up a lot, but his record in Europe—including mixed results in his handful of Tour de France appearances—meant nothing to me then, and I didn’t pay much attention to bike racing again until 1998. That was the year of the infamous Festina affair, a doping scandal that nearly brought the Tour to a halt, the year I first realized the sport had a dark side.
    By that time, Armstrong had been through the defining episode of his life: a 1996 diagnosis of testicular cancer, which spread to his lungs and brain and led to a series of grueling treatments, including surgery and chemotherapy. We’d both relocated to Austin by 1999, the year he became world-famous with his first win at the Tour. Armstrong not only had come back from a killer disease but appeared to be racing clean, and so his victory was billed as redemption for a dirty peloton. To me the story seemed borderline miraculous.
    By late 2001, I’d dropped out of graduate school and taken a full-time job as a head bike mechanic. The shop where I worked was sent a specially painted Trek that Armstrong would ride while carrying the 2002 Winter Olympics torch through Austin. I met him for the first time when he came in to pick it up. Over the next year or two, when he was in town, he’d call me to have his bike worked on or to go for a ride on one of the mountain-bike trails in the area. We became casual friends through these informal training sessions on routes I picked, connected by sweat, blood, and a lot of good-natured shit talking.
    During the next year, a mutual acquaintance named Derek Russey—whose company cleared brush and maintained the lawns of Armstrong’s numerous properties—said Armstrong had asked about me coming to work for him. The job was subsequently described in an email: he needed an assistant for the final period of his professional racing career, which (he confided) was going to end in two years. I would fix his bikes, attend to various personal needs, and deal with whatever else cropped up. I’d also drive the follow car in Austin while he trained and tend to his houses when he was in Europe. In return, he agreed to provide funding and endorsements for the bike shop I wanted to open.
    There was no formal contract spelling this out, just the email explaining the job and containing Armstrong’s promise of financial help later on. I feel stupid now for not getting everything in writing, but at the time I was naive, and the need for such a document didn’t occur to me. Armstrong and I were on friendly terms, and I trusted him. From his side of the fence, I wasn’t asked to sign a nondisclosure agreement, so he apparently trusted me, too.
    “We had you checked out,” Bill Stapleton, Armstrong’s agent, told me once. “You’re white trash like the rest of us.” It was a jokey way of telling me I was in.
    Working for Armstrong was hardly the career I aspired to, but as I saw it I was helping a buddy who needed a hand. The pay was an improvement on what I was making. I was married by then, and my wife, Allison, was pregnant. It seemed ideal in many ways.


    AFTER I'D BEEN WITH Armstrong for a month, it became clear that the job description was fluid and often required 12-hour days. As Christmas approached, I found myself building toys for his three children, taking out the garbage, and fitting childproof cabinet-door locks. Lance’s wife, Kristin, jokingly called me “H2”—husband two—and it was rewarding to give her a hand. It felt like being one of the family; the kids even called me Uncle Mike.
    In all, the role seemed more like helping a pal than punching a clock, and I found myself in the thick of Armstrong’s personal life. This was not always easy or comfortable, especially when trouble in the marriage cropped up. In February, I flew to Santa Barbara with Lance, Kristin, and the kids to help out while he shot a commercial. It was during that trip—on the beach in front of the house they were renting—that Lance told Kristin he was leaving her.
    This came as an absolute shock to everyone and made the rest of the time there very stressful. I did my best to provide Armstrong with advice and support, which was difficult, given that I was also friends with Kristin. Clearly, he wanted his marriage to be over. But he showed no emotion, and the way he handled it—dropping the bomb and then leaving Kristin alone on the beach—seemed abrupt and cruel. She was devastated, and over the next few months I watched her shrink from a confident, healthy woman to someone who was frantic and depressed, which was heartbreaking.
    Justifying himself, Armstrong later told me he’d read an email between Kristin and the owner of a local running-shoe store that led him to suspect her of infidelity, which I found hard to believe. At the same time, he told me he didn’t want “to live a lie anymore.” Later, on the last morning we were there, I went to meet him at the hotel where he’d spent the night, to fetch him for a training ride. Empty beer bottles were scattered all over the room. He seemed to be unraveling, and he complained about losing a Rolex somewhere in the night. No surprise, the ride didn’t last long.
    Later that month, when it was time to travel to Girona, Spain, for early season training before the 2003 Tour de France, Armstrong asked me and Allison to come along, since he’d decided that Kristin and the kids could not be around. Having studied a handful of languages in college, including Spanish, I knew I could be of use. This came on very short notice—about a week—and was completely unexpected. But Allison and I were excited to go.
    EUROPE WAS AN EYE-OPENER for me. That’s where I saw indications for the first time—which I discussed over the phone in an interview with Jeff Novitzky—that Armstrong might be dishonest in ways that mattered.
    For starters, there was all the cash he threw around. I had heard from Derek Russey, our landscaper friend in Texas, about the wads of money Armstrong gave him as payment. He said Armstrong would often return from Europe with money stuffed into his pants. It was clumsily concealed from authorities, but this was easy to get away with for a celebrity flying in and out of private air terminals, where control over passengers was fairly lax.
    The cash came from the post-Tour races that are an important part of the cycling culture in Europe, because they allow people in smaller French towns, or outside France altogether, to see pros racing on their local roads. All a rider had to do was show up, race for a while, and collect payment, which was made under the table. Russey told me how much it freaked him out to be handed tens of thousands of dollars in bills.



    In Spain, we often paid people with Euro notes worth $500, which Armstrong told me to pull from the pockets of a pink Chanel coat that hung in Kristin’s old closet. He kept the coat crammed with cash from his appearance fees. Whether he declared this as income or not, I don’t know. All I discussed with Novitzky was its existence.
    In addition to the spending money, Armstrong always had loads of bike swag he wanted to discard, often the spoils of what seemed to be overzealous shopping sprees at NikeTown or other sponsors. I remember one time in Austin when thousands of dollars in shoes, clothing, sunglasses, and other items were simply piled into a heap in his bathtub. Armstrong told me to get rid of it. I had no idea what to do with it all, so I doled some out to my old friends at the bike shop and deposited the rest in Goodwill bins.
    If I was so put off, why didn’t I quit? Well, in part because of my own flaws. I was not immune to the job’s obvious perks. Or, as Bill Stapleton once phrased it: “Welcome to the country club.”
    Being in that sphere of fame was a strange experience: superficial, manic, sometimes energizing, but often nerve-racking. Within months of starting the job, I’d gone from being a quiet and anonymous wrench to a fixture in Armstrong’s entourage, a role that had me flying around in private jets with a wealthy, widely adored celebrity. Commercial shoots, great hotels, nice cars, free stuff. Armstrong gave me a BlackBerry loaded with every contact imaginable. I had Tiger’s number. I had Hein Verbruggen’s number. I had Bono’s number. I even had the number for President Bush. Not that I ever called any of them.
    That summer of 2003, Allison and I watched the Tour at home in Austin with our newborn son. Armstrong won a difficult and tumultuous race, and we were proud of him. After the win, he returned to Austin for a repeat of the previous off-season menu of training, traveling, sponsorship, and Livestrong obligations, which sometimes seemed to get on his nerves. (At one Livestrong event where he had to speak, I heard him mutter under his breath: “I hate these fucking things.”) And, of course, he was dealing with his divorce, which was ugly.
    AS I LATER REALIZED, I should have minded my own business—there were times, for example, when I thought Armstrong was partying too much in Austin bars, and I said so. He thanked me for the advice, but this period marked the start of a steady decline in our relationship. Perhaps I came off like a nanny, but a certain meanness emerged on his end, an increased self-centeredness that at times was understandable, given the strain of Armstrong’s breakup.
    It wasn’t just his personal life that I was brooding about, however. During a training ride after the emergence of a doping scandal centering on Belgian rider Johann Museeuw—who’d been a favorite of mine for his multiple wins of Paris-Roubaix, the hardest one-day race of them all—I asked Armstrong whether he thought any of the cheating allegations were true. “Everyone does it,” he said nonchalantly, looking me straight in the eyes. That floored me. I didn’t say anything else, but the implication was clear enough.
    We carried on that fall and winter with the same routine of training and traveling. I continued to do more and more, which at that point included looking after Armstrong’s ranchette, two houses in town, and the cabin that often housed guests like Michele Ferrari—the Italian physician, now also banned for life by USADA, who worked with Armstrong during all of his Tour wins. (See Bill Gifford’s 2006 Bicycling profile, “Paging Doctor Ferrari.”) We didn’t see as much of each other as in the previous year, and his training didn’t seem to be as solid, which I concluded was the result of his new bachelorhood.


    When late January of 2004 rolled around, Allison and I prepared to leave Austin with our infant son, heading to Spain to get the apartment ready for Armstrong and his new girlfriend, Sheryl Crow. This process was referred to as “de-Kiking” the place. (Kik was Kristin’s nickname.) He asked us to get rid of everything of hers, with no clear instructions about where it should go. There was a great deal of clothing, personal items, mementos, and family photos. We piled it up in boxes and put it on the steps around the corner from the apartment like ordinary household trash.
    In the middle of this purge, I found a prescription box in the medicine cabinet—to the side of the vanity in the bathroom—that sent everything spiraling. I knew what it was. Not exactly at first, but I sensed from my rudimentary knowledge of medicine that this box shouldn’t be in the bathroom of a professional cyclist.
    The label said Androstenedione. I looked it up on a laptop computer Armstrong had given me months before. I was searching for valid reasons why he would have this substance, a banned steroid. There were none. I put it back and did my best to forget about it. But I was torn. Should I risk alienating Armstrong and losing my job by calling him out?
    I didn’t say anything, but I was so rattled that Allison noticed, despite me not saying a word to her about what I’d seen. The day after Armstrong arrived in Girona, I sneaked another look at the medicine cabinet and saw that the box was gone. In short order, Armstrong started behaving very differently with me. There was no longer any of the kidding around I was accustomed to. He was all business and would remain that way from then on. I think he knew what I knew, and he knew I didn’t approve.
    Training commenced in the hills around Girona much like before, though it didn’t last as long, which was surprising. After a short visit from Ferrari, whose presence was always pointedly kept on the down-low, Armstrong and Ferrari departed suddenly for Tenerife. Allison and I were left to our own devices, which was enjoyable, but in the back of my mind the various problems festered. I had to start examining the morality of my situation, which was clouded by emotional bonds.
    I’d made a commitment to Armstrong, and I couldn’t walk away from that—though, looking back, I wish I had. I had self-interests, of course: a family to support, a mortgage. I had my own ghosts to answer to. I desperately needed this job to lead to the promised conclusion: the bike shop, which would have been an instant success, given my association with Armstrong.
    Years earlier, when I’d walked away from a graduate degree in Middle Eastern studies, I’d had regrets about not finishing. To this day, I can still hear the voices of my parents saying, “You’ll make something of yourself one day. You’re smart.” Being a bike mechanic didn’t qualify. It’s a hard way to make a living in the best of times and a very difficult way to support a family. I could not go back and finish school. It would have been financially impossible. There seemed like no way out.
    ONE LATE-SUMMER MORNING in 2004, the phone rang at my home in Austin. It was Russey.



    “Where’s Lance?” he asked nervously.
    “At the ranch, as far as I know,” I said. I wasn’t due to make the 25-mile trip out there for another hour or so, and I thought Armstrong was already there. “Why?”
    “Man, the WADA people are here waiting at the gate!” he shouted.
    “Shit. He was there last night and didn’t tell me he was going anywhere.” This was highly unusual. Armstrong always told me where he was, and there were plans in place to meet that day.
    “Well, he sure as hell ain’t here. And if he’s not, he’s in big trouble with WADA for not being here. I’m gonna call College.” John “College” Korioth was one of Armstrong’s best friends.
    I got myself together to head for the ranch. A few minutes later, as I was driving, my phone rang again. It was Russey. “He’s left town with Sheryl,” he said. “College is gonna go to the airport and get his Suburban and drive it back to the ranch. The WADA people won’t be able to tell if it’s Lance or not when he drives past them and will think it is.”
    The ruse was designed to make WADA’s out-of-competition monitors, who had arrived outside the locked gate of the ranch as part of WADA’s “whereabouts” program, think the person behind the wheel was Armstrong. Even though the WADA people wouldn’t be able to contact Armstrong directly, the trick would allow him to avoid getting hit with a so-called non-analytical positive, based on a failure to accurately report his location. Under the rules of the World Anti-Doping Code, Armstrong had to let WADA know exactly where he was at all times.
    As I drove the last few miles to the ranch, I passed a small white Hyundai SUV, which Russey later told me contained the officials from WADA. I never heard another word about the incident. Armstrong didn’t mention it, but he must have known it was a problem for me, since it was such a clear sign that he was willing to game the drug-testing system when it suited him. Much later, I was completely blown away when both Korioth and Russey flatly denied—in sworn depositions—that any of it had happened, with Korioth mockingly stating that there was never any conspiracy to evade a test.



    WHEN MY JOB WITH Armstrong came to an end a few months later—in the office of his friend Bart Knaggs—I wasn’t especially shocked, and in some ways I was relieved. Foolishly, I held out hope that the parting could be amicable.
    Knaggs stressed that Armstrong had a history of not getting along with people. He had gone some time without speaking to his now-reconciled friend, Korioth, who had helped put together the Lance Armstrong Foundation. He’d had shouting matches with Bill Stapleton and major feuds with teammates.
    There was a pattern. Anyone who challenged him or disagreed with him would eventually feel his wrath. “Lance is intimidated by you for being smarter than he is,” Knaggs said. “Lance doesn’t like Chann McRae because Chann can outrun him,” he added, saying this was no different.
    I suspected Knaggs was right, and that Armstrong would take any disagreement all the way. He’d waged a war against Kristin and her dad over money and real estate during the divorce. He’d told me he would “put LeMond out of business”—referring to Greg LeMond’s bike business with Trek—because of LeMond’s public statements about his association with Ferrari. He’d ostracized former teammates who’d faithfully served him, but who had aspirations of their own and had gone to other teams.
    I asked about the bike shop. “He mentioned it to me,” Knaggs said. “You and Lance can talk about that.” I went away with some hope that, having fulfilled my end of the bargain, the arrangement was still sound.
    That dream crashed when I refused to sign a nondisclosure agreement that would have made me liable for a large sum of money if I even mentioned ever having worked for Armstrong. He had cut me off at the knees financially by firing me; now he held out the prospect of several months’ pay in exchange for my silence. Either way, there would be no bike shop.
    A few days later, while I was sitting with my son at home, the phone rang. I picked up and said hello.
    “Mike, it’s Lance,” he said. “Hey, look, man. You need to cut this shit out.” He meant my refusal to sign.



    “Lance, we had a deal,” I said.
    “No, we didn’t. There’s no deal. People try this shit all the time.”
    I could feel my blood pressure dropping. I put my son down and tried to get up from the table, but I actually passed out. I came to a few moments later, with Allison shaking me and asking if I was all right. The strain of being fired and blackballed was too much. I’d slumped face-first onto the table.
    Allison grabbed the phone. After I regained my senses, I listened to her talking to Armstrong. She said he told her I was a “great guy” but that “we just weren’t getting along.”
    The next day he called again. Allison advised me to stay cool. “Look, Lance,” I said. “This isn’t gonna do either of us any good at all. All I want is for you to fulfill your end of the bargain.”
    “It’s not gonna happen.”
    At this point, I felt like I was being coerced into signing the document. By then, Russey had called me to say that Armstrong, in a fury, had told him I’d better sign if I ever wanted to work in the bike industry again. On the advice of a friend, I spoke to a lawyer to determine what rights I had. I didn’t think that negotiating with Armstrong would go anywhere, so my lawyer wrote a letter asking him to honor his original offer. If he did, I could walk away, bruised but still moving forward. Instead, Armstrong dug in.
    OR, AS BILL STAPLETON aptly put it, he launched World War III, which went by the same script I’d witnessed with the others. Stapleton asked my lawyer for a settlement proposal, which we promptly provided and was stamped up top with the word CONFIDENTIAL. This was part of the normal routine for settling disputes like these.



    The next day, Armstrong slapped us in the face by leaking the terms of the proposal to the media. Stapleton falsely referred to me as a landscaper. Tim Herman (one of Armstrong’s army of lawyers) called me a dogsbody and described my actions as a shakedown.
    Armstrong filed suit against me in Travis County District Court, asking a judge to declare my employment contract—that is, the email Armstrong had sent—invalid. I filed a countersuit for wrongful dismissal, breach of contract, and defamation. Armstrong’s lawyers denied the existence of any contractual email—foolishly, I had not kept a copy, but I could nearly recite the thing from memory—and challenged us to spend the money on forensic computer examination to find it.
    As the struggle unfolded over weeks and months, many people sneered at my story, assuming that Armstrong—Tour hero, cancer survivor, philanthropist—would never fight dirty or lie, so I had to be the dishonest party. I suddenly had a lot of former friends, no job, no money, and a gaping hole in my professional reputation.
    The rest of the story was fought out in rooms full of lawyers and witnesses, a process that took far too much time out of my life, ruined me financially, and put great strain on me and my family. After 10 months of it, Allison and I decided to settle the suit for terms that both sides agreed not to disclose. The courts had thrown out parts of our counterclaim, which was a huge surprise and a setback to my legal team.
    The whole process was, in my opinion, grotesquely influenced by politics, faulty and inconsistent judgments, and outright lies. In my view, Armstrong was able to avoid answering my claims by using his power and influence. The judge allowed him to stall for months on giving a deposition, and the case was settled before he ever had to answer questions under oath.
    I was powerless, and I was inaccurately portrayed by the media, thanks to Armstrong’s efforts at spinning the story. But I stuck by my principles, which I don’t regret. During the two years of my employment with Armstrong, I’d fulfilled my end of the agreement. I did more than required of any mere employee. I’d been his confidante, minder, protector, and more. For that, I got nuked.
    THE PAST 12 YEARS of my life have featured plenty of irony. I turned away from the career path that I had believed would please my parents—my mother, in particular—and toward something I wanted but that made me apprehensive. The choice connected me with Armstrong, whose reputation and resources seemed to guarantee my success. But things didn’t work out as planned.
    Armstrong’s aggressive attempts to ruin me, and their effectiveness, left me with a deepening sense of disappointment in the U.S. justice system, where the well-heeled often get away with things that ordinary citizens simply can’t. We had to sell the house during that period, and in 2006, with little chance of repairing the damage to my reputation in Austin, we sold nearly everything else and moved to New Zealand. Oddly, what earned me permanent-resident status was my experience as a bike mechanic, which at that time was on the list of jobs that needed to be filled.


    Sometimes I look back at my old decisions with regret. I’m still in the bike business, but until now I’ve been hesitant to let anyone know what my past contains—fully aware that, in the polarized world of cycling, doing so would earn me respect from some fans and hatred from others.
    In the absence of any benefit from my time with Armstrong—the moral and ethical lessons notwithstanding—I’m in the same place as before. Geographically, of course, I’m as far removed from Lance Armstrong as possible. And that’s the one part of this story that feels pretty good.


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    Lance Armstrong part of cycling's 'most successful doping program,' USADA says

    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says it will release Wednesday more than 1,000 pages of evidence detailing the involvement of cyclist Lance Armstrong in what the agency calls "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

    Armstrong, who won an unprecedented seven Tour de France titles, announced in August that he would no longer fight doping charges that the USADA brought against him earlier in the year. The famed cyclist's decision prompted the USADA to ban the 40-year-old athlete from competition and strip him of his wins dating to 1998, though there were questions of whether the organization had the authority to take such action.

    The USADA filed doping charges against Armstrong in June. Armstrong retired from professional cycling in February 2011, though he continued to compete in triathlon events.

    The USADA, a quasi-government agency recognized as the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sports in the United States, accused Armstrong of using, possessing, trafficking and giving to others performance-enhancing drugs, as well as covering up doping violations.

    Armstrong's attorney blasted the accusations as "wrong" and "baseless," much like Armstrong has vehemently denied other such claims in the past.

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    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says it will release Wednesday more than 1,000 pages of evidence detailing the involvement of cyclist Lance Armstrong in what the agency calls "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

    Armstrong's attorney blasted the accusations as "wrong" and "baseless," much like Armstrong has vehemently denied other such claims in the past.
    With that level of denial, I think Armstrong would make an excellent pro-coal, anti-Evolution, anti Big Bang, Tea Party candidate.

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    Nike finally dumps Lance Armstrong over doping allegations in move which could lose him at least $50 million over the next five years

    • U.S. sportswear giant has today terminated Armstrong's contract claiming he misled them for more than a decade
    • Nike was accused earlier this week of paying $500,000 to cover up a positive drugs test for Armstrong more than a decade ago
    • Anheuser-Busch follows Nike hours later and announces it won't be renewing its relationship either
    • Armstrong announced this morning that he is stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong charity
    • Donations to the foundation have risen despite the scandal
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    PUBLISHED: 16:34, 13 October 2012 | UPDATED: 21:15, 17 October 2012
    Nike has announced today that it is cutting all sporting ties with disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, citing insurmountable evidence that he participated in doping and misled the company for more than a decade.

    The sportswear giant issued a statement this morning saying it was terminating Armstrong's contract 'with great sadness.'

    'Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner,' it said.

    Just minutes before Nike’s announcement, Armstrong revealed he was stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity so that the organization can steer clear of the whirlwind surrounding its founder. Nike has said it will to continue to support Livestrong.

    Nike has terminated Lance Armstrong's contract claiming he misled them for more than a decade



    After more than a decade together, Nike has ditched Lance Armstrong due to 'insurmountable evidence' of doping

    After Nike, whose next?


    Until today, Lance Armstrong's endorsement value had remained strong in spite of last week's report into his use of performance-enhancing drugs during his career.

    The majority of his sponsors - including Nike - released statements of support in the wake of that report, while others said they were ‘monitoring events closely’.

    Lance Armstrong's current list of sponsors includes:

    • Nissan
    • RadioShack
    • Sunglasses maker Oakley
    • Fitness equipment manufacturer Johnson Health Tech
    • National chain of health clubs 24 Hour Fitness
    • Cycling gear company Giro
    • Energy drink FRS
    • Bicycle component maker SRAM
    One sponsor unlikely to drop him is energy food company Honey Stinger, which he part owns.

    The majority of these sponsorship deals have been closely tied with Armstrong's Livestrong charity, but now both Nike and Anheuser-Buschhave decided he is 'damaged goods', the expectation is that others will follow.

    Projections suggest that the star cyclist could lose at least $50 million over the next five years as a result of lost deals.

    When Tiger Woods ran his SUV over a fire hydrant in November 2009, bringing to light his infidelities, Accenture, AT&T and Gatorade all cut ties with him. Although EA Sports and, ironically, Nike stood by the golfer.


    Within a matter of hours, beer maker Anheuser-Busch said it too would end its relationship with Armstrong when his contract expires at the end of this year, although it would continue to back his charity.

    'We have decided not to renew our relationship with Lance Armstrong when our current contract expires at the end of 2012,' said Paul Chibe, vice president of U.S. marketing for Anheuser-Busch, which had used Armstrong in ads to sell Michelob beer.

    The move comes a week after the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency released a massive report detailing allegations of widespread doping by Armstrong and his teams when he won the Tour de France seven consecutive times from 1999 to 2005.

    The document's purpose was to show why USADA has banned him from cycling for life and ordered 14 years of his career results erased - including those Tour titles. It contains sworn statements from 26 witnesses, including 11 former teammates.

    The 41-year-old Armstrong, who overcame life-threatening testicular cancer, retired from cycling a year ago. He announced in August that he would no longer fight the doping allegations that have dogged him for years.

    The star cyclist could lose at least $50 million over the next five years in deals with Nike and others companies, according to projections by Forbes' Patrick Rische, reports BusinessInsider.

    Together with Nike, the Livestrong Foundation has raised more than $80 million through the sale of yellow Livestrong wristbands since May 2004. The company also produces and sells a line of Livestrong-branded products, including shoes and T-shirts.

    Nike is also expected to change the name of the Lance Armstrong Fitness Center building named after Armstrong at Nike headquarters in Beaverton, Oregon.
    Nike's courting of top celebrity athletes is well known, as are the inherent risks companies assume when doing so.

    The exact value of Armstrong's Nike deal isn't known, but the company is the biggest spender on athlete endorsement deals in the world.

    Nike's annual report shows it has signed commitments for $3.2 billion worth of endorsement deals over the next five years.

    Armstrong made about $17.5 million in endorsements in 2005, the last year his earnings were tracked by Sports Illustrated's Fortunate 50 list of the top paid active athletes. Nike began its relationship with Armstrong in 1996.

    Armstrong is only the second high profile athlete whose contract Nike has terminated due to scandal. Nike signed NFL quarterback Michael Vick to a contract during his rookie year in 2001, but ended that pact in August 2007 after he filed a plea agreement admitting his involvement in a dogfighting ring. Vick spent 21 months in prison.


    Nike re-signed Vick, who plays with the Philadelphia Eagles, in July 2011. The company said at that time that it didn't condone Vick's actions, but was supportive of the positive changes he had made to better himself off the field.






    The star cyclist could lose at least $50 million over the next five years in sponsorship deals with Nike, left, and others companies



    Lance Armstrong has announced that he is stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity


    Shares of Nike edged slightly higher in early trading.

    Today's announcement follows allegations earlier this week that the U.S. sportswear giant had paid $500,000 to the former head of cycling’s world governing body, Hein Verbruggen, to cover up a positive drugs test for Armstrong.

    On Tuesday night the company issued a statement saying they ‘vehemently deny’ that they ‘paid former UCI president Verbruggen $500,000 to cover up a positive drug test’.

    The statement said: 'In response to the offensive allegations in today’s New York Daily News, Nike vehemently denies that it paid former UCI president Hein Verbruggen $500,000 to cover up a positive drug test. Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs.'

    Until today Nike had always strongly defended Armstrong. In August Nike said: 'We are saddened that Lance Armstrong may no longer be able to participate in certain competitions and his titles appear to be impacted. Lance has stated his innocence and has been unwavering on this position.'

    Just minutes before Nike made its announcement today, Armstrong revealed that he was stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity so the group can focus on its mission instead of its founder's problems.
    Armstrong won the Tour de France seven consecutive times from 1999 to 2005


    Armstrong has not been formally stripped of his titles by the sport's governing body, Union Cycliste International. However, the agency said it would use the USADA's report to make its decision

    Armstrong, who was not paid a salary as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, will remain on its 15-member board. His duties leading the board will be turned over to vice chairman Jeff Garvey, who was founding chairman in 1997.

    'This organization, its mission and its supporters are incredibly dear to my heart,' Armstrong said in a statement. 'Today therefore, to spare the foundation any negative effects as a result of controversy surrounding my cycling career, I will conclude my chairmanship.'

    Foundation spokeswoman Katherine McLane said the decision turns over the foundation's big-picture strategic planning to Garvey. He will also assume some of the public appearances and meetings that Armstrong used to handle.

    Armstrong strongly denies doping, but did not fight USADA accusations through arbitration, saying he thinks the process is unfair. Once Armstrong gave up the fight in August and the report came out, crisis management experts predicted the future of the foundation, known mainly by its Livestrong brand name, would be threatened.

    They said Armstrong should consider stepping down to keep the charity from getting dragged into a debate over doping.

    Denial: Armstrong says he never used performance-enhancing drugs or banned substances


    Armstrong's inspiring story of not only recovering from testicular cancer that had spread to his lungs and brain but then winning the world's best-known bike race helped his foundation grow from a small operation in Texas into one of the most popular charities in the country.

    Armstrong drew legions of fans - and donations - and insisted he was drug free at a time when doping was rampant in professional cycling. In 2004, the foundation introduced the yellow 'Livestrong' bracelets, selling more than 80 million and creating a global symbol for cancer awareness and survivorship.

    'As my cancer treatment was drawing to an end, I created a foundation to serve people affected by cancer. It has been a great privilege to help grow it from a dream into an organization that today has served 2.5 million people and helped spur a cultural shift in how the world views cancer survivors,' Armstrong said.

    As chairman, Armstrong did not run the foundation's day-to-day operations, which are handled by Livestrong president and chief executive Doug Ulman.
    Stripped: Lance Armstrong, a hero to millions and a legend in the sport of cycling, has now lost his sponsorship deal with Nike

    Ulman had said last week that Armstrong's leadership role would not change. Armstrong's statement said he will remain a visible advocate for cancer issues, and he is expected to speak at Friday night's 15th anniversary gala for Livestrong in Austin.

    'My family and I have devoted our lives to the work of the foundation and that will not change. We plan to continue our service to the foundation and the cancer community. We will remain active advocates for cancer survivors and engaged supporters of the fight against cancer,' Armstrong said.

    CharityWatch, which analyzes the work of approximately 600 charities, lists the foundation among its top-rated organizations. That status normally goes to groups which 'generally spend 75 percent or more of their budgets on programs, spend $25 or less to raise $100 in public support, do not hold excessive assets in reserve' and disclose basic financial information and documents.

    Livestrong says it had functional expenses totaling nearly $35.8 million last year and 82 percent of every dollar raised went directly to programs, a total of more than $29.3 million.

    The foundation reported a spike in contributions in late August in the days immediately after Armstrong announced he would no longer fight doping charges and officials moved to erase his Tour victories.

    Daniel Borochoff, founder and president of Chicago-based CharityWatch, said last week it may take some time for donors to digest the allegations against Armstrong.

    'Individuals that admire and support an individual who is later found out to be severely tarnished, don't want to admit it, don't want to admit that they've been duped,' Borochoff said.

    'People, though, do need to trust a charity to be able to support it.'


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    I suggest the following revisions to the press release:

    PUBLISHED: 16:34, 13 October 2012 | UPDATED: 21:15, 17 October 2012
    Nike has announced today that it is cutting all sporting ties with disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, citing insurmountable evidence that he participated in doping and misled the company for more than a decade.

    The sportswear giant issued a statement this morning saying it was terminating Armstrong's contract 'with great sadness.'

    'Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner,' it said, adding, 'However, if you want to dip your putter in various porn babes, then crash your vehicle into a tree as the wife you have been misleading for more than a decade chases you with a 9 iron - Rock on, Dude! Rock on!'

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    To be perfectly honest I never followed his career, not a cycling fan. But of course you couldn't avoid seeing his picture every now and then. And from the first time I saw him I couldn't stand the guy. Heard about how he beat cancer etc. and knew that was pretty impressive, but he just rubbed me the wrong way so I never could really feel anything positive for him. First impressions really were right this time.
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    Fuck Nike. I'm no Armstrong fantard I could give a shit but Nike kept Michael Vick and Kobe Bryant so basically rape/murder is okay but taking a little dope is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gas_chick View Post
    Fuck Nike. I'm no Armstrong fantard I could give a shit but Nike kept Michael Vick and Kobe Bryant so basically rape/murder is okay but taking a little dope is not.
    Excellent point!

    I doubt if Armstrong was in any way profitable for Nike anymore they would be dropping him. This is a convenient way for them to look good and save some money.
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    Wow, what a monumental fall from grace. His arrogance is astounding, even to this day.

    I was reading a list about sports greats recently, and a few stand out for obvious reasons ... Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. When Gehrig retired, they left all his awards and plaques at his feet because he was unable to hold any of them. Different era, very different (honest) sports heroes.

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    They just didn't have drugs as sophisticated as the ones available today. Otherwise I'm sure they would have done just as much doping. I don't believe in glorifying anything from the past as more innocent or noble. Humans are no better or worse today than they ever were, they just have better technology.
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