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    I still think the adopting of Matt Sandusky was like a pay off. Why would you need adopted at 18? Wouldn't you have been adopted before that, since he had been with and around the family since he was 8? Since he was abused, you'd think as soon as you turned 18, you would get the hell away from the pervert. Not stick around and get adopted by the puke that had been touching him for years. I think it was Jerry's way of making it all okay, and then buying his silence. I am sure he did this with the other 4 boys as well.

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    ^Believe it or not, it is not all that uncommon for foster kids to not be adopted until they are adults. When they are foster status, they still get all the benefits from the system; monthly payment to the foster family, clothing allowance, medical coverage... That stops once they are 18 and/or out of high school. Some families adopt once the child is of legal age because they want the foster to officially be in their family so that they can inherit without problem, be a legal voice for the parent if need be in medical situations, get the foster child transferred to their healthcare, etc.

    I read that Matt was afraid to come forward when he did because he was afraid of being charged with perjury since he had told the Grand Jury nothing had happened. Then I read this:


    Matt Sandusky went to live with Sandusky and his wife, Dottie, as a foster child and was adopted by them as an adult.
    Shortly after Sandusky's arrest in November, Matt Sandusky's ex-wife Jill Jones successfully obtained a restraining order forbidding the children from sleeping at their grandparents' home.
    At about the same time, details emerged that Matt Sandusky had attempted suicide just four months after first going to live with Jerry and Dottie Sandusky in 1995.

    He had come into the home through The Second Mile charity, and was first a foster child before being legally adopted.
    His name also came up last week during the testimony of one of Sandusky's 10 accusers.

    The man, dubbed Victim 4 by prosecutors, said Matt Sandusky was living at the Sandusky home on an occasion when he had stayed there overnight.
    When asked by prosecutors whether Jerry Sandusky ever engaged him in a soap battle in the showers, he recounted a time when he and Matt Sandusky had been playing racket ball.

    When they were done, he said, they went back to a locker room. Matt got undressed and got into the shower and then Victim 4 and Sandusky followed him in there, he testified.
    'Me and Jerry came in. He started pumping his hand full of soap,' he said.
    At that point, Matt shut off his shower and left and went to another locker room to shower, the witness said.
    Asked by prosecutors about Matt's facial expression when the soap battles started, he replied: 'Nervous.'



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    Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked

    The Penn State administration had finally hatched a plan. It was too kind, backward and included possibly tampering with a criminal investigation. Still, it was enough of a plan that it could've stopped Jerry Sandusky, child molester, back in 2001.

    Just a couple weeks earlier, a football graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, had witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy in a Penn State locker room shower. He told coach Joe Paterno. He told vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. He could've been more specific. He was clearly specific enough, however, to get their attention.

    Schultz plotted out a course of action, according to a bombshell report by CNN, citing an email exchange that's been uncovered in the school's independent investigation by former FBI chief Louis Freeh. The report could be released as early as next month.

    According to CNN in an email dated Feb. 26, 2001, Schultz wrote to Curley about a three-part plan that included talking "with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," … "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare."

    Former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley's alleged email could be damaging for Joe Paterno. (AP)It would have been better to skip directly to the third action and let the welfare authorities do the meeting and informing, but this should've been enough to end Sandusky's reign of terror.

    Except that Curley sent an email to Schultz and school president Graham Spanier on Feb. 27, 2001, that changed everything.

    "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.

    It's unclear why Curley suggested that Sandusky (the "person involved") wouldn't be contacted when Schultz's email told Curley to "talk with the subject asap." But the bottom line is that child welfare services was never contacted. And Sandusky, convicted earlier this month on 45 counts of molestation, continued to stalk and abuse the area's disadvantaged boys for seven more years.

    The email is devastating on multiple levels, perhaps most for Paterno, who had escaped some measure of scorn thus far by playing the, in-hindsight-I-should've-done-more angle. Paterno, who won more games than any other major college football coach, died at age 85 in January of lung cancer.

    According to Curley's email, Paterno participated more than he ever admitted, including likely talking Curley – and thus the others – out of the plan to turn Sandusky over to authorities.

    Take a second for that one to sink in.

    It is now perfectly reasonable to postulate that Joe Paterno protected Jerry Sandusky, who had been a Penn State assistant coach from 1969 until retiring in 1999. Sandusky went right along with his business of showering with boys in the locker room, of bringing kids to the sidelines during games, of sitting in the press/luxury box area of home games. Sandusky used the program's allure like a lollipop to draw kids into his van.

    Paterno will never have the chance to defend against this charge or answer these troubling questions.

    However, what would be his defense?

    The first could be that he and Curley never met on or about Feb. 27, 2001, or if they did meet, Sandusky wasn't mentioned.

    In a 2011 appearance to the grand jury, Paterno said McQueary detailed what he saw in the shower. Within a couple days Paterno relayed the story to Curley over the phone. He said he wasn't involved in the investigation after that.

    "Because I figured that Tim would handle it appropriately," Paterno testified on Jan. 12, 2011. "I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley and I thought he would look into it and handle it appropriately."

    Curley's email tells a different story, that he discussed with Paterno the plan to bring in child protective services.

    Perhaps Curley lied in that original email, although why is anyone's guess. Perhaps Paterno forgot about the meeting (a decade had passed by the time the then 84-year-old testified in front of the grand jury). Or perhaps Paterno was trying to cover his tracks by not mentioning it under oath.

    The other possibility is that the meeting did take place and Paterno supported turning Sandusky over to child welfare but Curley, after "giving it more thought," overruled Paterno's position and changed direction.

    That one is difficult to believe. Tim Curley was Joe Paterno's boss in title only. Curley grew up in State College in a house just down the street from the current Beaver Stadium. He parked cars and sold programs as a kid. He played football at Penn State and was said to be JoePa's handpicked choice as athletic director years later.

    This latest report could really damage former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's legacy. (AP)Tim Curley, like so many in State College, stood in awe of Paterno. Forget the organizational chart, he worked for the coach more than the coach worked for him.

    The notion that he would ignore Paterno's advice, and then upon doing so never have Paterno question him or later overrule him, is highly unlikely.

    There are more details to be sifted through. One is Curley cryptically mentioning he would "tell [Sandusky] we are aware of the first situation."

    This seemingly refers to Sandusky being investigated by Penn State police in 1998 for abusing a boy, later known as Victim No. 6, in the showers. The Centre County district attorney at the time chose not to prosecute Sandusky.

    While most believe there could be no way that Curley, Schultz and Spanier, let alone Paterno, didn't know about the 1998 investigation when choosing not to act in 2001, this is a smoking gun. It establishes that at least the three administrators did know. And wouldn't Curley have brought it up when discussing Sandusky with Paterno?

    It's the most galling and evil part of the CNN revelations. These officials were learning of a second allegation that Sandusky had abused a boy in the showers and yet their reaction wasn't to turn the case over to authorities. Instead they allowed Sandusky to continue to operate on campus, only with the caveat he wasn't supposed to bring children around, an order he routinely violated.

    After 1998, you could argue there wasn't much they could do. There was an investigation but no charge. People who work with children are always in fear of such a thing. If the district attorney said there was nothing to it, then you accept there was nothing to it.

    Until a similar accusation is made, this time not from a possibly confused kid, but from McQueary, your own 27-year-old, no-reason-to-invent-such-a-story graduate assistant.

    In 2001 there was zero excuse to not stop Sandusky. Zero. Penn State's decision was pathetic.

    It's a chief reason why Curley and Schultz are facing prison time for failure to report a crime. It's also why Spanier remains a candidate for similar indictment from the attorney general.

    Did Spanier realize the stakes of his decision? You bet he did. His email back to Curley concerning not going to child welfare says as much.

    "I am supportive," Spanier wrote, according to CNN. "The only downside for us [is] if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

    Graham Spanier is a bad person. That wasn't the "only downside" or even the primary downside of Sandusky not hearing "the message."

    The fact that additional children would be abused was the downside. Spanier, ever the self-obsessed top administrator, cared only about his own liability, not some terrified 10-year-old in an empty shower room. At no point, apparently, did anyone write an email about finding the boy McQueary said was being molested.

    What remains is the question of why otherwise reasonable people would make such an ethically bankrupt and criminal decision. These are highly educated, high-functioning men. The answer may never be determined. It may help to go back to that moment.

    In hindsight, the smart move would have been to have Sandusky arrested. Viewed from today, Curley, Paterno, et. al. would have been lauded for making the correct decision.

    At the time, however, the story would've been about a recently retired defensive coordinator molesting kids in JoePa's locker room.

    Paterno was 74 and coming off a 5-7 season. He didn't have much of a team for the foreseeable future, either. Rumblings were growing that it was time for him to retire, that the game had passed him by, that at his age he couldn't handle the responsibilities of a major college football program.

    An act of child molestation in the locker room would have only fueled that. When word would have eventually leaked out that in 1998 Sandusky had been investigated for the same charge yet still maintained all-hour access to the facilities, it may have too much for Paterno to survive, let alone explain.

    In the precise moment, each of the men must have feared being fired. Even Joe Paterno.

    Perhaps that wasn't the case. We may never know and it certainly isn't an excuse for allowing Sandusky to continue. It may explain it, however. Self-preservation is a powerful motivator.

    If Sandusky had sought the help they suggested, had he stopped his behavior, had the school not commissioned Louis Freeh to dig through every scrap of information in the football program, a witch hunt that found its witches, they may have gotten away with it.

    They didn't, though. Instead, the whole thing gets worse for Penn State. The full report looms. The noose tightens on Curley, Schultz and Spanier.

    And Joe Paterno, the beloved saint of the Nittany Lions, is left looking nothing like the man everyone believed he was.
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    I cannot believe those grown men just left those kids at the mercy of that pervert.
    Penn State is going to pay through the nose for this.
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    Default Penn State Report Summary: Everyone Pretending They Didn’t Know Actually Knew

    If you don't have time to review the full 267-page internal investigation of the Penn State scandal, here's the gist: Everyone knew.

    Former Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno knew. Former Penn State University president Graham Spanier knew. Former Penn State University vice president Gary Schultz knew. Penn State Athletic Director (currently on leave) Tim Curley knew. Everyone knew. As far back as 1998, when they learned of a criminal investigation of Sandusky related to an instance of suspected sexual misconduct with a boy in a PSU football locker room shower.

    Here's a paragraph from investigator Louis Freeh's remarks sent out alongside his report that damns "the most powerful leaders at Penn State University" quite succinctly:
    "Taking into account the available witness statements and evidence, it is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno andC urley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large. Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky's victims."
    Penn State's Board of Trustees has released a statement promising to review their policies on reporting misconduct.
    "We expect a comprehensive analysis of our policies, procedures and controls related to identifying and reporting crimes and misconduct, including failures or gaps that may have allowed alleged misconduct to go undetected or unreported. We will provide our initial response later today."
    Jerry Sandsuky was convicted of dozens of counts of child sexual abuse in a trial in June. He is expected to serve a life sentence.


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    I smell a ton of lawsuits coming......sick bastards.

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    I just don't understand how people who work in the educational system can have so little concern for children. It doesn't make any sense to me, except that I suppose this is about sports more than it is about education. That, right there, is a shame too. What is a university supposed to be for anymore?

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    I hope this means that those 'Paterno did nothing wrong' people will finally shut the fuck up.

    I keep thinking that Paterno sure did check out at the right time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_is_for_Cookie View Post
    I hope this means that those 'Paterno did nothing wrong' people will finally shut the fuck up.
    For some people, I think it's too much cognitive dissonance to handle. Paterno was deified by some people, and I'm not sure anything will make them believe he was less than perfect.

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    Paterno, as an icon, seemed incredibly likeable with his aw-shucks attitude and approachability. I actually think he's lucky he died before having to deal with the fall out of this. Of course they all knew and they should be culpable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDSP View Post
    I just don't understand how people who work in the educational system can have so little concern for children. It doesn't make any sense to me, except that I suppose this is about sports more than it is about education. That, right there, is a shame too. What is a university supposed to be for anymore?
    Not just that but I know Paterno had children and grandchildren. Did the other 3 have children too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDSP View Post
    I just don't understand how people who work in the educational system can have so little concern for children. It doesn't make any sense to me, except that I suppose this is about sports more than it is about education. That, right there, is a shame too. What is a university supposed to be for anymore?
    I would expect the same exact response from my area's Big Ten school as well. Because while they are proud of their academics, nothing compares to men's basketball and football. I'm not shocked everyone knew and hid it. I wish this was a world where it would be shocking to me, but when you're talking big-time college sports, they'd let a kid murder someone and play tomorrow. These sports people are a different breed. It's digusting.

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    Instead of making Penn State, the university, pay - I'd go after all the different individuals involved and sue them individually or institute a class action lawsuit (you lawyer types on here know this stuff way better than I do), or I'd do that in addition to leveling fines against PSU. After all, the "university" was made up of all the individuals who fucked this up. At this point, I'm sorry JoePa isn't around to get sued; maybe his estate will have to pony up. Just heard on local radio that his son is still defending him, claiming he knew nothing about Sandusky's pedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDSP View Post
    I just don't understand how people who work in the educational system can have so little concern for children. It doesn't make any sense to me, except that I suppose this is about sports more than it is about education. That, right there, is a shame too. What is a university supposed to be for anymore?
    The worst part is that you can be damned sure none of their kids were allowed near that pervert. Other people's kids? OK.
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