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    As a fucking janitor???? How hard can it be to find another job?


    I don't have a source but a few people have made interesting comments. Apparently McQueary's dad was good friends with Sandusky. McQ himself was friends with Sandusky's son. That adds a few more layers to this, no?

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    The janitor was a temp and he told his supervisor, at least that's what I remember from the report. It's still inexcusable though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    He was 28 mother-fucking years old in 2002. And he witnessed a grown man sodomizing a 10 year old. And he has accepted the benefits of working for PSU ever since and he certainly encountered Sandusky innumerous times since then. The is no explanation for him to still be employed by the University, unless the Trustees truly do not understand what has gone on and fired Paterno and President whoiwhatzit merely for pr reasons.
    I agree completely. Just trying to figure out why McQueary is still employed, myself.

    One thing I wonder is how did the grand jury know that Curley and Schultz were lying when they claimed to have no prior knowledge of the sexual abuse. McQueary must have told the grand jury exactly what went down. That might be why Penn State hasn't fired him. Without McQueary, none of this would have come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    I agree completely. Just trying to figure out why McQueary is still employed, myself.

    One thing I wonder is how did the grand jury know that Curley and Schultz were lying when they claimed to have no prior knowledge of the sexual abuse. McQueary must have told the grand jury exactly what went down. That might be why Penn State hasn't fired him. Without McQueary, none of this would have come out.
    What are you smoking? McQueary witnessed in 2002. He didn't do ANYTHING to make ANYTHING come out. He was subpoenaed to give testimony before a grand jury because a child's mother had to make the allegations. McQueary and Paterno did the exact same thing..the bare minimum, reported to their supervisor, and neither lied to the grand jury.
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    With McQ's decisions/reactions, several more kids were subjected to abuse.

    I read on a football message board that McQ might be protected under some whistle blower law. Not sure that's accurate because I'd think you'd have to blow the whistle 9 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    What are you smoking? McQueary witnessed in 2002. He didn't do ANYTHING to make ANYTHING come out. He was subpoenaed to give testimony before a grand jury because a child's mother had to make the allegations. McQueary and Paterno did the exact same thing..the bare minimum, reported to their supervisor, and neither lied to the grand jury.
    Yes, I know, I agree. But Curley and Schultz wouldn't be on administrative leave right now if someone didn't contradict their grand jury testimony that they knew nothing, never heard a bad word about Sandusky.

    The only one who could blow their story was McQueary.

    Penn State is probably protecting him because at least he didn't lie under oath. McQueary, at this late date, DID blow the whistle on Sandusky.

    Now, I'm not personally satisfied by that but I understand the angle.
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    Interesting. McQ and Sandusky appeared at a fundraiser together 26 days after the shower incident. Also looks like McQ helped with Sandusky's charity. Sick effing bastards. Read Bradley's comment about Sandusky. Awful choice of words.

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    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Just because Joe Paterno is gone doesn’t mean the child sex abuse scandal at Penn State is over. Many questions remain unanswered — from how much Paterno actually knew to whether there will be any repercussions for assistant coach Mike McQueary, who told Paterno but not police about seeing former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in a shower with a young boy in 2002.

    Defensive coordinator Tom Bradley, Paterno’s lead assistant on the field for the last 11 seasons, was introduced Thursday as the interim coach.

    A few hours later, Gov. Tom Corbett told reporters that he supported the board of trustees’ decision Wednesday to oust college football’s winningest coach and President Graham Spanier because they didn’t do enough to alert law enforcement authorities.

    “Their actions caused me to not have confidence in their ability to continue to lead,” said Corbett, who is on the board and is in State College for another, previously scheduled session.

    Sandusky, Paterno’s former assistant and onetime heir apparent, has been charged with molesting eight boys in a 15-year span.

    In the week since the grand jury released its report, Paterno and Spanier have been fired and two other top university officials also are out.

    “Certainly every Pennsylvanian who has any knowledge of this case, who has read the grand jury report, feels a sense of regret and a sorrow to also see careers end,” Corbett said.

    “But we must keep in mind that when it comes to the safety of children, there can be no margin of error, no hesitation to act.”

    Board vice chairman John Surma said in announcing the firings of Paterno and Spanier, one of the longest-serving college presidents in the nation, that “change was necessary.”

    “To allow this process to continue was going to be damaging to the university,” Surma said.

    Bradley, who testified before the grand jury, declined to reveal what he said, but added: “We all have a responsibility to take care of our children. All of us.”

    Even Paterno himself acknowledges he should have done more.

    McQueary, who is Penn State’s wide receivers coach, told a state grand jury that in March 2002, he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy of about 10 in the showers at the Penn State football building.

    McQueary later told Paterno, Curley and a university vice president, Gary Schultz about the incident, although it is not clear how detailed his description was. Schultz, in turn, notified Spanier.



    Curley and Schultz — as well as Paterno — testified that they were told that Sandusky behaved inappropriately in that 2002 incident, but not to the extent of McQueary’s graphic account to the grand jury.



    Curley and Schultz have been charged with perjury and failure to report the incident to authorities, as required by state law. Curley is on temporary leave and Schultz has retired. Through his attorney, Sandusky has denied the charges.



    Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation, having fulfilled his legal duties by reporting the incident to Curley and Schultz. But the state police commissioner called Paterno’s failure to contact police or follow up on the incident a lapse in “moral responsibility.”



    Paterno has not said why he didn’t go inform law enforcement authorities, nor has he said whether he was aware of any earlier alleged assaults. Aside from a few brief comments outside his house and two statements, Paterno has not spoken publicly since Sandusky was indicted.



    “A tragedy occurred, and we all have to have patience to let the legal process proceed,” Paterno said in a statement after he was fired.



    McQueary has not spoken publicly, either. His mother, Anne, said Thursday they have been advised not to.



    Then 28, McQueary was “distraught” after witnessing the alleged 2002 assault, according to the indictment. Yet it appears he may have continued to participate in fundraising events with Sandusky — including one held less than a month later.



    Sandusky was a coach at a March 28, 2002, flag-football fundraiser for the Easter Seals of Central Pennsylvania, and McQueary and other Penn State staff members participated by either playing or signing autographs, according to a “Letter of special thanks” published in the Centre Daily Times.



    The paper also reported that McQueary was scheduled to play in The Second Mile Celebrity Golf Classic in 2002 and 2003. The Second Mile is the charity Sandusky founded in 1997 to provide education and life skills to almost 100,000 at-risk kids each year.



    And in 2004, the Centre Daily Times reported that McQueary played in the third annual Subway Easter Bowl Game, an Easter Seals fundraiser that was jointly coached by Sandusky.


    Sandusky, a former Penn State player and assistant for 30 years, including 22 as defensive coordinator, had long been considered the likely successor to Paterno. But Paterno told Sandusky around May 1999 that the assistant wouldn’t be getting the top job.



    According to the indictment, one of the alleged victims testified that Sandusky was “emotionally upset” after that meeting with Paterno, and Sandusky announced his retirement the next month.



    Sandusky cited as reasons for his retirement his desire to spend more time with The Second Mile, as well as taking advantage of a generous retirement package that included continued use of an office and access to the Penn State athletic facilities. Several of the alleged assaults took place on Penn State property.



    Sandusky was just 55 when he retired with a sparkling resume. He stepped off college football’s fast track when he would have been considered a top candidate for vacancies at any big-time program.



    Despite spending most of his career at Penn State as a defensive assistant and succeeding Sandusky as defensive coordinator, Bradley had little to say about his predecessor.



    “Sandusky was a defensive coordinator when he worked with the Nittany Lions and I worked underneath him,” Bradley said.



    Penn State has said Bradley will be interim coach for the rest of the season, beginning with Saturday’s home finale against Nebraska. It has not said if Bradley will be a candidate for the permanent job, nor given any timeline of when a new coach will be in place.



    It’s not even clear who will do the hiring, with Curley on leave and provost Rodney Erickson serving as interim school president.



    “We’re obviously in a very unprecedented situation,” Bradley said. “I have to find a way to restore the confidence.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    The janitor was a temp and he told his supervisor, at least that's what I remember from the report. It's still inexcusable though.
    one of them told his supervisor who told him which authorities to report it to but he didn't end up reporting it to anyone.

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    The janitor who witnessed an incident acted as though it were some great tragedy for him to see such a horrible thing (he'd seen horrible things in war, but what he saw in the shower would stay with him forever), but didn't stop the attack. The other janitors were all worried that guy would have a heart attack. WTF? I guess the janitors were really afraid of losing their jobs, but as someone said upthread, finding another janitorial job shouldn't be that difficult. It may be some horrible thing for the janitors to witness, but how about how the kid feels to not only be molested but to have not one but two janitors find them in the showers and not do anything to make it stop?! (For anyone who hasn't read the Grand Jury report, the janitor who reacted like he was going to have a heart attack actually saw Sandusky "licking" the boy, and a second janitor saw that two people were in the showers but didn't see anything except feet in the showers.)

    The really weird thing is that the janitor who testified at the Grand Jury mentioned that Sandusky drove slowly through the parking lot a couple of times in the middle of the night hours after the janitors saw him in the showers. It sounds like Sandusky was trying to intimidate them, and I keep thinking of that DA that went missing. Sandusky, his wife, and one of Sandusky's friends all tried to contact one of the victims before the Grand Jury.

    For me the attempts at intimidation still don't excuse not stopping Sandusky's attack on the child, though, when the one janitor actually saw it.

    The more I find out about McQueary, the dirtier he sounds, too. This whole thing is such a failure of humanity.
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    Reading the various accounts makes me hope that if I ever witnessed something like that that I would do the right thing. It is so sad that no one directly intervened and said cut that shit out right now and tried to see if the kids involved were OK.

    It is weird and strange to me that witnesses saw these things and seemed to think 'sex' (dirty, shameful, embarrassing--I'd better stay out of it) rather than 'assault' or 'crime' (someone is being hurt and I need to stop it). Especially since these kids were prepubescent and there is no way there could be confusion that they were above the age of consent.

    And yuck to the fact that McQ and his dad were friends with Sandusky. No one seemed to care that he was raping kids, as long as he didn't do at PSU.

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    McQ and his dad have been friends with Sandusky for how long, I wonder? I wonder if McQ and Sandusky's son ever had sleep overs at Sandusky's house. I mean you don't just begin anal assaults one day, this sick fuck has been raping and diddling for years. Such a pervert he fashioned his entire life around procuring young men to surround himself with! Who knows how many of these poor kids were molested?

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    The more I hear, the more I wonder about what's left to be revealed. It won't get any prettier from here. I heard one comment on local sports radio yesterday, comparing university sports infrastructures to the mafia. I'm starting to believe that.
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    The whole thing is just sickening. I can't seem to get it all out of my head for very long. They need to get McQ out of there.

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    Alleged Victims' Lawyer: Penn State Board Made Wrong Call By Firing Joe Paterno

    There are so many opinions on the firing of Penn State head coach Joe Paterno, and they all have their own context. Some make sense, some don't, and some get erased from Twitter in two-and-a-half seconds.

    But one opinion that may surprise is that of Harrisburg civil attorney Ben Andreozzi. He has been advising some of the alleged victims of former Penn State defensive coach Jerry Sandusky, but released a statement [Via Pennlive.com] that is certain to raise a few eyebrows:

    "The board of trustees got it wrong. They should have consulted the victims before making a decision on Mr. Paterno...They should have considered these victims watch TV and are aware of the students' reaction and may not want to be associated with the downfall of Mr. Paterno. The school instead elected to do what it felt was in its own best interest at the time. Isn’t that what put the school in this position in the first place?"

    Andreozzi's statement backed up those in State College and elsewhere who have chosen the Penn State Board of Trustees as the newest villain in a sickeningly sordid affair.

    "The way the Board reached its decision raises more concerns than the decision itself. There is no indication the Board considered the impact of the decision on the abuse victims. The school let the victims down once, and I think they owed it to the victims to at least gauge how the immediate termination decision would impact them as opposed to Mr. Paterno's resignation at the end of the year. These victims do not live in a bubble. They see the students reaction to the termination, and to think this does not weigh on their minds would be naive."

    Is his assumption fair? Should the victims fear that somehow, in all of this chaos, they will become the villains?

    Let's all hope not. Perhaps that fact that we are now hearing from the alleged victims -- even through their parents and representatives -- means they won't have to suffer in silence anymore.

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    One of McQueary's friends and former teammate was on a local station this morning. He hasn't spoken with McQueary since the scandal broke, but did say that McQueary never said a word to any of them about what happened and they all knew and loved Sandusky. He was a father figure to him. He believes that there has to be reason why McQueary wasn't fired and that it could be because he did something to stop Sandusky. He said that Mike was not the kind of man to do nothing if he witnessed a child being abused. The current evidence doesn't point to that, but that's what he believes.

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