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    OK...um...WTF is happening with the US women? So far I've seen 2 out of 2 gymnasts step out of bounds on FLOOR.

    I've never seen us suck that bad on floor. What. The. Fuck.

    On the other hand, the Chinese are getting whopping scores on the bars when they're barely hit vertical on any routine and one of them fell on her butt.

    Fuck fuck fuck. Looks like a repeat of Sydney already.

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    They're having a horrible go at it.. it does remind me of Sydney!!

    Side note..what the hell is up with the YOUNG Chinese gymnastics team.. the one who fell off the uneven bars looked 7 at the most!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSDiva View Post
    They're having a horrible go at it.. it does remind me of Sydney!!

    Side note..what the hell is up with the YOUNG Chinese gymnastics team.. the one who fell off the uneven bars looked 7 at the most!!
    No shit! The Chinese are cheating their way through this gymnastics competition. No surprise really, they've done it before. I bet one of them loses a baby tooth before the comp is over.

    And as I was writing this, Chelsea Memmel fell off the fucking bars.

    It's Sydney all over again!

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    At least these scores don't roll over to the rest of the competition. Hopefully the US can get their shit together before then.

    Quote Originally Posted by tee-ha-ha
    No shit! The Chinese are cheating their way through this gymnastics competition. No surprise really, they've done it before. I bet one of them loses a baby tooth before the comp is over.
    No kidding. Some of them look like they still have mother's milk on their breath.
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    Bela Karolyi incensed about underage rules
    NBCOlympics.com - Bela Karolyi incensed about underage rules

    BEIJING (AP) - Bela Karolyi seethed as he watched the Chinese women compete Sunday.
    Not because of how good they were in qualifications, finishing 1.475 points ahead of the American team that often trains at his Texas ranch. What bothered the most famous man in gymnastics was "China's arrogance" for using girls he wasn't even sure were teenagers yet.
    "They are using half-people," Karolyi said. "One of the biggest frustrations is, what arrogance. These people think we are stupid.
    "We are in the business of gymnastics and we know what a kid of 14 or 15 or 16 looks like. You don't have to be a gymnastics coach to know what they look like at 16."
    Karolyi, working the games for NBC, believes the international federation's rules that gymnasts must turn at least 16 during the Olympic year are flawed. Karolyi's complaints are nothing new. But when they come moments after the Chinese have competed at the Olympics, well, they come across more loudly than ever.
    "What kind of slap in the face is this?" he asked. "They are 12, 14 years old, max. And they line them up for the world ... and having the government back them.
    "Since they forced an age limit, it has gotten worse and worse. The FIG is running away from the age problem. They set an age limit and now they can't control it." Gymnastics Federation (FIG) officials have accepted the passports of the Chinese women, which indicate all are old enough to compete. Karolyi is originally from Romania, and he says falsifying documents is a common practice in totalitarian regimes such as Romania, Russia and other former Soviet bloc nations.
    The solution, he said, is to not have any age limit. He believes if a gymnast is good enough to earn a spot at the Olympics or world championships, that athlete deserves to go. He said some juniors today are just as proficient as the age-eligble competitors. Nastia Liukin, for example, would certainly have made the squad for the Athens Games four years ago had she not been 14.
    Karolyi's wife, Martha, the national coordinator for the U.S. women's team, agrees that if there are any questions about age, just eliminate the restrictions being broken.
    "If it's true," she said of any nation using underage gymnasts, "the only situation is to lift up the age limit. It would be an even playing field for everyone."
    Bela Karolyi praised the Chinese for their skills on the various apparatus, and for their competitiveness. His issue is not with the athletes, of course, but with those who would use them as pawns in the chase for medals.
    Very young pawns.
    "They do good gymnastics and are a good service for the sport," he said of the Chinese. "They have the ultimate effective training program. That's why I am more upset that they are cheating. They don't need cheating. They would be just as good a lineup of eligible athletes."

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    I think it's obvious they're cheating but we'll never prove it. Fucking cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Wow did you see that 33 year old gymnast? I've never heard of someone even close to that age competing at this level.

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    I don't understand the judging for Gymnastics yet.
    I will say Shawn Johnson completed the most perfect Beam routine I've ever seen and she was robbed of a higher score.
    Two of the Chinese girls are most def. not 16! One of those girls even has a missing tooth. USA girls were so much better than China on the uneven bars even with the fall. After watching the prelems I'm pretty sure China will be given the gold.
    Bela K. tells it like it is and that is one reason why I like the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celeb_2006 View Post
    Wow did you see that 33 year old gymnast? I've never heard of someone even close to that age competing at this level.
    I know, she's incredible! I hope she wins a medal...what an accomplishment that would be.

    Quote Originally Posted by S&R's Mom View Post
    I don't understand the judging for Gymnastics yet.
    I will say Shawn Johnson completed the most perfect Beam routine I've ever seen and she was robbed of a higher score.
    Two of the Chinese girls are most def. not 16! One of those girls even has a missing tooth. USA girls were so much better than China on the uneven bars even with the fall. After watching the prelems I'm pretty sure China will be given the gold.
    Bela K. tells it like it is and that is one reason why I like the guy.
    I thought Nastia Liukin was robbed worse, but Shawn Johnson was robbed because she's not Chinese.

    I don't agree that we were better overall on bars; I think our athletes had a bit more poise and flair on bars than the Chinese athletes did, but their routines were undeniably more complex and difficult than ours. What irritated me is they didn't seem to ding them for almost never being vertical on the high bar whereas our girls were clearly dinged for it.

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    That's what I noticed the most too. Being vertical is a big deal is the scoring, (hum maybe it depends who is up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&R's Mom View Post
    That's what I noticed the most too. Being vertical is a big deal is the scoring, (hum maybe it depends who is up).
    I guess the Chinese are too young to go vertical. Maybe that ability comes with puberty.

    Me, I'm of the opinion that if a 12 year-old can beat a 20 year-old, fine. However, there are age limits that were put there by people who know far more about the sport than I do and I defer to their judgement. If they think it's dangerous for a 12 year-old to compete at that level, then it probably is (more so than for an older athlete, anyway). The rules should be followed.

    If the Chinese tweens...um, excuse me, "women" win the gold, it will be forever tainted by allegations of cheating. Who wants that? To me, winning doesn't mean shit unless it was a fair fight to begin with. I can beat a five year-old at checkers. Does beating a five year-old fill me with feelings of triumph? Hell no. It wasn't a fair fight!

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    Wouldn't surprise me at all if some of these Chinese girls used to be boys.

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    That youngest Chinese girl looked 12 at the most, I bet she's closer to 9. She moved like a child on the floor competition. Everything that wasn't tumbling, she lacked grace and fluid movement.

    On another issue, is NBC showing non-live events on the east coast first and then 3 hours later on the west coast? Last night I read this thread when it was posted, went to look for women's gymnastics on TV and it wasn't on for 3 hours.

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    Karolyi accuses Chinese of age-old problem - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

    BEIJING – Perhaps the most famous case of an underage gymnast – the current Olympic age minimum is 16 – occurred back at the 1991 world championships.
    North Korea entered a girl who, while certainly capable of spins and flips, looked painfully slight and terribly young. Still, the documentation checked out and no one was truly sure until she happened to flash a big smile which revealed … she was still losing her baby teeth.
    Bela Karolyi, the Vince Lombardi of women’s gymnastics, tells that story just like he tells all of his stories about underage gymnasts – using mock humor to convey the disgust.

    He’s been railing about underage girls in gymnastics for decades. Now he fears the United States women’s team is about to be victimized by them.

    The Americans must compete against Chinese girls who, while “officially” being old enough, sure look awfully young. Consider 4-foot-6, 68-pound Deng Linlin. Or Jiang Yuyuan, who checks in at a strapping 4-7 and 70 pounds.
    “They are using half-people,” Karolyi told the Associated Press. “One of the biggest frustrations is, what arrogance. These people think we are stupid.
    “We are in the business of gymnastics and we know what a kid of 14 or 15 or 16 looks like. You don’t have to be a gymnastics coach to know what they look like at 16.”

    A number of U.S. media investigations have shown that Deng is one of three Chinese team members who previously had ages listed on various documents that would make them as young as 14 during this calendar year.
    However, the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) merely requires a government issued passport as proof of age. China produced one for each member of the team.
    “All passports are valid for all gymnasts competing in the Beijing Olympic Games,” the FIG said in a statement. “Stringent control measures are taken at the time of athlete accreditation for all official FIG competitions. Further, all athlete ages for the Beijing Olympic Games are consistent with the FIG records for all past FIG competitions.”

    In Sunday’s preliminaries, China took a lead over the U.S. in the team competition that concludes Wednesday morning in Beijing. Karolyi is convinced the Americans are being cheated. He wonders out loud if the Chinese packed diapers. He mocks passport accuracy since it is the Chinese government that issued it and says such forgery has been common around the globe for decades.
    Besides, why not trust his lying eyes?

    The Chinese look so young they may still watch “Dora the Explorer.” The team’s average height and weight on its listed roster is a mere 4-9 and 77 pounds.
    By comparison, the smallest American gymnast is Shawn Johnson, a 16-year-old who checks in at 4-foot-9 and 90 pounds. The U.S. average is 5-foot and 107 pounds, which might qualify as obese by Chinese standards.

    Maybe they are doping.

    “What kind of slap in the face is this?” Karolyi asked. “They are 12, 14 years old, max. And they line them up for the world … and having the government back them?”

    In China’s defense, there are other tiny gymnasts. Japan’s Koko Tsurumi is 4-7 and 75 pounds. Russia’s Ksenia Semenova is 4-6 and 77 pounds. Japan’s team average is just 4-10 and 82.5 pounds.
    Younger and thus smaller gymnasts may have an advantage in a number of disciplines. Age limits were enacted by FIG for the safety of the athletes.

    Karolyi is an NBC commentator and no longer has an official role with USA Gymnastics. However, his wife Marta is the team’s coach and the athletes train at their Texas ranch.

    He’s been against age limits for years, preferring to let anyone of any age to compete. FIG says it has no plans to change its age limit, nor should it. Karolyi is wrong on this one; sending out little girls whose muscles and bones haven’t fully developed is not the proper answer.
    Asking for more than a meager passport – which, since the government issues it, is obviously quite easy to control – is a long overdue change. Not that anything would completely eliminate cheating.

    No one knows for sure whether the Chinese are simply tiny or eviscerating the rules and putting their athletes in harm’s way in pursuit of gold.

    USA Gymnastics can’t do much at this point. Officially, it has no statement and reminds that Bela Karolyi doesn’t work for them. Marta Karolyi was pretty clear about what she thinks, though.
    “We are ready to take on any team,” she deadpanned. “Overage or underage.”

    Sniping is about all she can do. Unlike doping, there isn’t a test to determine someone’s age. It’s not like cutting into a redwood tree and counting the rings.

    Maybe they can ask Deng Linlin to smile wide for the cameras.

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