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**arie_skop** · May 15th, 2009, 12:23 AM

From The Age
Group sex incident 'degrading': minister

May 15, 2009 - 10:58AM

The group sex session involving rugby league personality Matthew Johns was predatory, degrading and offensive, federal Sports Minister Kate Ellis says.
She wants more women involved in senior sporting roles to help foster greater respect for females.
While there could be debate about the legality of the Johns incident seven years ago, and the issue of consent, "what is really clear is this is degrading behaviour", she said.
"This is not respectful behaviour," Ms Ellis told Fairfax Radio Network, adding it was predatory behavior.
"When you have half a football team and a teenage girl, I think that's offensive and inappropriate for our sporting role models."
To address the problem more women need to be involved in sport, Ms Ellis said.
"We do need to have a greater presence of women in senior position, in leadership roles within sport, and particularly within clubs."
Clubs and players also needed to stand up and say "we are not going to condone this anymore".
Johns was one of several Cronulla players who took part in a group sex act with a 19-year-old woman in Christchurch in New Zealand in 2002.
The former Test star apologised earlier this week for the "pain and embarrassment" he had caused the woman, but insisted she was a "willing participant".
AAP

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Here's the lastest sex saga involving rugby players in Australia. What's wrong with these sports people?
They are treated like gods/heroes and believe they are invincible.

**A*O** · May 15th, 2009, 04:00 AM

Yes, these sportsmen (not just rugby players) are treated like gods and think their worst excesses of behaviour will be excused, mainly because their clubs and their fans DO excuse them most of the time. "Boys will be boys" and other bullshit.

HOWEVER, in this case the "traumatised" woman was a 19-yr old consenting adult who willingly went to a sleazy motel room with a married sportsman knowing full well what was likely to transpire. These so-called "footy molls" have been around forever.

7 YEARS later she decides to go to the media and spill the beans about her "trauma" despite the fact she was a consenting adult at the time and at no time was there any question of coersion. The fact that she now regrets it is a totally different thing. We've all done things we later regret but most of us put it down to experience and make sure we don't do it again.

Women like this make me sick because she is distracting media and public attention from the REAL victims out there. She's in this for the money, pure and simple and in the process she's wrecked Matty John's career. Despicable.

**arie_skop** · May 15th, 2009, 04:11 AM

Not sure if I can call this woman a victim or not, as 7 yrs later she has pretty much sold her story to earn some cash and now ruined John's career.

What I find odd is now we are hearing reports that at the time she was bragging about the experience to her work colleagues. So are we supposed to feel sorry for her?

**A*O** · May 15th, 2009, 05:40 AM

If anything, this story should warn high profile sportsmen about the risks they take by consorting with these slappers. Most of the time they enjoy the "kudos" of fucking a famous bloke - a bit like groupies - and they don't spill the beans. But once in a while they DO go to the media to earn some easy money with tacky KissNTell stories and of course people just love to read all about it which sells newspapers and that's the bottom line.

I am NOT defending a bunch of drunken footy players having a gangbang with a stupid woman even though they all knew the deal, but there were TWELVE blokes involved in this incident (allegedly) and only one of them has had the balls to fess up and ruin his TV career in the process. He has had the good grace not to name names and the other cowards are letting him hang out to dry.

Apparently the group sex thing happened AFTER Matty Johns left the room and his "mates" piled in afterwards.

**Rica** · May 15th, 2009, 07:10 AM

She bragged about it to her mates when it happened.

**kingcap72** · May 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM

She wants more women involved in senior sporting roles to help foster greater respect for females.

Maybe they should start by fostering greater respect among females who are willing to gangbang a group of athletes and then brag about it.

**sputnik** · May 20th, 2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by A*O

Yes, these sportsmen (not just rugby players) are treated like gods and think their worst excesses of behaviour will be excused, mainly because their clubs and their fans DO excuse them most of the time. "Boys will be boys" and other bullshit.

HOWEVER, in this case the "traumatised" woman was a 19-yr old consenting adult who willingly went to a sleazy motel room with a married sportsman knowing full well what was likely to transpire. These so-called "footy molls" have been around forever.

7 YEARS later she decides to go to the media and spill the beans about her "trauma" despite the fact she was a consenting adult at the time and at no time was there any question of coersion. The fact that she now regrets it is a totally different thing. We've all done things we later regret but most of us put it down to experience and make sure we don't do it again.

Women like this make me sick because she is distracting media and public attention from the REAL victims out there. She's in this for the money, pure and simple and in the process she's wrecked Matty John's career. Despicable.

yeah it's kind of hard to feel bad for a woman who was a willing, adult participant in this kind of thing.
i don't understand why they are making her out to be a victim and talking about the guy like he's some rapist.
he's probably an alpha asshole with no respect for women, but last time i checked that's not illegal if the women are willing participants.

**A*O** · May 20th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Sluts throw themselves at high profile sportsmen all over the world and have done since forever. I bet there were Gladiator Molls in ancient Rome. More of this story has emerged and this woman is rapidly losing any public sympathy she might have gained from going to the media with her "traumatic" experience. She was well known for banging footy players and once she had a famous one ono the list she knew it could earn her some money if she blabbed. She couldn't proudly announce that she'd fucked rugby hero and marrried TV personality Matty Johns because that would make her look like a slut so she pulled the traumatised victim card instead. Johns has been suspended from his TV job but I suspect that once the dust settles he'll be back. This woman will sink back in obscurity where she belongs.

**arie_skop** · May 21st, 2009, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by sputnik

yeah it's kind of hard to feel bad for a woman who was a willing, adult participant in this kind of thing.
i don't understand why they are making her out to be a victim and talking about the guy like he's some rapist.
he's probably an alpha asshole with no respect for women, but last time i checked that's not illegal if the women are willing participants.

Exactly, that's why I don't believe this woman is a victim. She was a willing participant and now is seeking sympathy and money.

**crumpet** · May 21st, 2009, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by A*O

If anything, this story should warn high profile sportsmen about the risks they take by consorting with these slappers. Most of the time they enjoy the "kudos" of fucking a famous bloke - a bit like groupies - and they don't spill the beans. But once in a while they DO go to the media to earn some easy money with tacky KissNTell stories and of course people just love to read all about it which sells newspapers and that's the bottom line.

I am NOT defending a bunch of drunken footy players having a gangbang with a stupid woman even though they all knew the deal, but there were TWELVE blokes involved in this incident (allegedly) and only one of them has had the balls to fess up and ruin his TV career in the process. He has had the good grace not to name names and the other cowards are letting him hang out to dry.

Apparently the group sex thing happened AFTER Matty Johns left the room and his "mates" piled in afterwards.

See, I have a different take. Could it be that she went to the room consenting with one (or even two) man but it was planned by the group for all these guys to pile in and gang rape her? It is possible to consent to sex with some but not all and just because she went willingly to fuck someone doesn't mean his buddies have the right to rape her after he's done. Can you imagine how scary it would be for a woman to be in a room with 12 big assed rugby guys that are drunk and each outweigh you by at least 70 lbs? Some of what i read makes it seem like these guys planned this. I haven' read anything where she was alleged to have bragged about this though. Besides, it is possible for 'friends' to side with their sports idols and say crap about this woman.

And if the allegations are proven to be false, we can go ahead and blame these men for setting themselves up for false accusations by engaging in this sort of behavior to begin with. That's how people have been blaming rape victims for eternity, so why not turn the tables and let men get blamed for false accusations against them? If you aren't out whoring around having casual sex or cheating on your wife/girlfriend, you have less of a chance to be victimized in this way. Let's see how they like that.

**Wiseguy** · May 21st, 2009, 09:03 AM

I have major concerns about this one too. How could this girl, in going back to the room with two men, have ended up being a willing participant while these blokes started lining up at the foot of the bed? Some of these men were climbing through the window to get into the room.

Matthew Johns has confirmed he was in the room while this way happening. He didn't join in (he'd already had sex with her at least once) but that doesn't matter at this point. In my opinion, there is nothing about that situation that is ok. Johns was a senior player at that stage, and had represented Australia. The girl was still a teenager and was naked with literally a team full of men queuing up – that’s a very intimidating scenario.

**katerpillar** · May 21st, 2009, 09:15 AM

I agree with crumpet and Wiseguy on this one.

**crumpet** · May 21st, 2009, 09:59 AM

Another thing: I like porn in general, but I think the pornification of our culture comes into play with this in the sense that men (and women) have gotten accustomed to scenes where 8 men are taking turns with one woman who is loving it and it's all consensual and happy. That doesn't mean that the average woman is all ecstatic about being violently fucked dry by a bunch of men she doesn't know. Frankly, it alarms me that few have seemed to consider that with 12 guys against one woman of course her word would be outnumbered.