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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Kimmi00 View Post
    ^ Yeh, but what I was getting at is that alot of people say no because they think they're 'not normal' or they're embarrassed for no good reason. So many med students, so little opportunity.
    Who here would consent to it?
    I would.

    I noticed that the article didn't mention anything about unauthorised prostate exams. Is it just vaginas that are considered public property?
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    ^Good question! And why stop anywhere? How about unauthorised colonoscopies? I bet students don't get many chances to practice those.

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    This is why I would NEVER use a teaching hospital. FOr example when my daughter was born the only person loooking up my vag was the female OB whom I had seen every week. NO interns whatsoever at Greenwich Hospital, thank you very much. Just board certified docs.

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    Five med students watched me give birth to my daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    honestly, i wouldn't care. i'd be out cold, and med students need to learn.
    i was reading the article thinking, i should probably be outraged... but no outrage ensued. i just kind of went, meh, let them at it.
    yeah, I can't muster up the outrage either ... I agree consent would be ideal, but I don't really care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    This is why I would NEVER use a teaching hospital.

    That's an ill-informed decision. Some of the most prominent and best hospitals in the US are teaching hospitals, like the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Sloan Kettering, L.I. Jewish. Most cutting edge treatment happens at teaching hospitals, they tend to be in the forefront of the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    That's an ill-informed decision. Some of the most prominent and best hospitals in the US are teaching hospitals, like the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Sloan Kettering, L.I. Jewish. Most cutting edge treatment happens at teaching hospitals, they tend to be in the forefront of the field.
    ...and the forefront of people's genitals. Next, they'll probably start installing bleachers in patient rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    This is why I would NEVER use a teaching hospital. FOr example when my daughter was born the only person loooking up my vag was the female OB whom I had seen every week. NO interns whatsoever at Greenwich Hospital, thank you very much. Just board certified docs.
    seriously?
    yours is but one of the dozens of hoohahs those students will see in a day. that's kind of ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    ...and the forefront of people's genitals. Next, they'll probably start installing bleachers in patient rooms.

    Why not? They've always had bleachers in operating theaters
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Why not? They've always had bleachers in operating theaters
    Because after that, there are going to be cheerleaders, and then concession stands, and then the whole thing starts to get kind of unsanitary.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Kimmi00 View Post
    ^ Yeh, but what I was getting at is that alot of people say no because they think they're 'not normal' or they're embarrassed for no good reason. So many med students, so little opportunity.
    Who here would consent to it?
    I would, and so would sixty-two percent of the respondents in the article ^. Sounds like the opportunity to learn is there regardless. People just like to - and should - be asked first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tati View Post
    I would, and so would sixty-two percent of the respondents in the article ^. Sounds like the opportunity to learn is there regardless. People just like to - and should - be asked first.
    Exactly, the data shows that most would consent. I would consent also. I've had a "nurse-practitioner in training" do a pelvic on me before, under supervision. No big thing, I just like the courtesy of being conscious so I'm aware of what they're doing to me and that it's done in a professional manner. I have had the misfortune of encountering asshole doctors before, so I have no doubt that asshole med students exist.
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    It is unethical and a breech of trust to do that to a patient who is concious or unconcious without their knowledge and permission.

    When I learned to do pelvic exams the students did them on each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharky View Post
    It is unethical and a breech of trust to do that to a patient who is concious or unconcious without their knowledge and permission.

    When I learned to do pelvic exams the students did them on each other.
    I bet that was a tight-knit group of classmates.

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    It was a small class focused on women's health issues.

    There was a lecture, demonstration and then you did the pelvic exam with a teacher standing there, advising and the "patient" giving feedback. It worked out great.

    I felt if I was going to learn on someone, then I also need to afford someone that experience also.

    In fact, I feel so strongly about disclosure when I worked at teaching/learning settings I would give the patient's a choice of tests. i.e. there was a standard Chlamydia test involving 1 swab and they could (in addition) have an experiemental test involving several swabs. Some clinicians did both without asking, I let them choose.
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