October 28th, 2009, 05:14 PM
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It sounds like the guy who initiated the complaint doesn't know what he's talking about at all. If you look at the Creole entry in Wikipedia, the usage in the United States sometimes doesn't refer to people of mixed race at all, but rather Francophone American communities in Louisiana:
In the United States, the word "Creole" refers to people of any race or mixture thereof who are descended from settlers in colonial French Louisiana before it became part of the United States in 1803 with the Louisiana Purchase. Some writers from other parts of the country have mistakenly assumed the term to refer only to people of mixed racial descent, but this is not the traditional Louisiana usage. Originally it referred to people of French and then Spanish descent who were born in Louisiana, to distinguish them from immigrants. Later Creole was sometimes used as well to refer to people of African descent born in Louisiana. Later the terms were differentiated, by French Creole (European ancestry) and Louisiana Creole (meaning someone of mixed racial ancestry).
Contemporary usage has broadened the meaning of Louisiana Creoles to describe a broad cultural group of people of all races who share a French or Spanish background. Louisianans who identify themselves as "Creole" are most commonly from historically Francophone communities, with some ancestors who came to Louisiana either directly from France or via the French colonies in the Caribbean. They generally are Roman Catholic and influenced by the traditional French culture of the early part of the state. The term is also often used to mean simply "pertaining to New Orleans". Louisiana's Creole People (Creoles of Color) are of mixed (mainly) French, Spanish, African American, and Native American heritage[1]
(Those Louisianans descended from the Acadians of French Canada usually identify as Cajuns, rather than Creoles.)
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October 28th, 2009, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja
It sounds like the guy who initiated the complaint doesn't know what he's talking about at all. If you look at the Creole entry in Wikipedia, the usage in the United States sometimes doesn't refer to people of mixed race at all, but rather Francophone American communities in Louisiana:
In the United States, the word "Creole" refers to people of any race or mixture thereof who are descended from settlers in colonial French Louisiana before it became part of the United States in 1803 with the Louisiana Purchase. Some writers from other parts of the country have mistakenly assumed the term to refer only to people of mixed racial descent, but this is not the traditional Louisiana usage. Originally it referred to people of French and then Spanish descent who were born in Louisiana, to distinguish them from immigrants. Later Creole was sometimes used as well to refer to people of African descent born in Louisiana. Later the terms were differentiated, by French Creole (European ancestry) and Louisiana Creole (meaning someone of mixed racial ancestry).
Contemporary usage has broadened the meaning of Louisiana Creoles to describe a broad cultural group of people of all races who share a French or Spanish background. Louisianans who identify themselves as "Creole" are most commonly from historically Francophone communities, with some ancestors who came to Louisiana either directly from France or via the French colonies in the Caribbean. They generally are Roman Catholic and influenced by the traditional French culture of the early part of the state. The term is also often used to mean simply "pertaining to New Orleans". Louisiana's Creole People (Creoles of Color) are of mixed (mainly) French, Spanish, African American, and Native American heritage[1]
(Those Louisianans descended from the Acadians of French Canada usually identify as Cajuns, rather than Creoles.)
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Exactly. I would think that these people who self identify as 'Creoles" would be offended by the insinuation that their self identified name is considered 'racist' by someone. And damn they have a great culinary heritage!!
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October 28th, 2009, 05:38 PM
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Exactly. I would think that these people who self identify as 'Creoles" would be offended by the insinuation that their self identified name is considered 'racist' by someone. And damn they have a great culinary heritage!!
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Definitely a great and delicious culinary heritage. That should only be experienced no more than once a month if you want to be able to see any definition in your abs.
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October 28th, 2009, 05:41 PM
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He'd go berserk in NewOrleans. Silly twit.
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Ditto Miami. Large Creole pop. here.
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October 28th, 2009, 05:44 PM
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Definitely a great and delicious culinary heritage. That should only be experienced no more than once a month if you want to be able to see any definition in your abs. 
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I have not seen any definition in them in 20 years!  Hell that is all genetic anyway...*stays in denial and eats Shrimp Creole while slapping self for eating 'racist' food*
***someone should send this article to the New Orleans Paper..forgot the name of it...the one that was awarded for the Katrina coverage. They would have fun with this. (Time-Picayune or something like that????)
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October 28th, 2009, 06:12 PM
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The guy who raised all this is an aboriginal "academic and activist" (make of that what you will) and has a hair trigger offence mechanism for anything he decides is "racist" as in this case. What he's actually doing is making himself a laughingstock - everyone else in Australia apart from this idiot thinks it's hilarious - and he's also showing his deep ignorance (and racism!) about the origins of the word and the people it describes. For info, the language spoken in Mauritius is also called "creole" too. It's a mix of French and other dialects and everyone speaks it there.
Coles supermarkets are pathetic to cave in to this nonsense.
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October 28th, 2009, 10:12 PM
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Oh, please. I lived in Louisiana, and in no way did I ever witness any bigotry towards creole. If anything it was celebrated, especially the food.
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October 30th, 2009, 03:47 AM
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Good thing this guy hasn't noticed that there's a brand of raspberry candy over here called Redskins. 
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Shhhh! Now you've done it!!  What about 'Coon' Cheese, too, if you want to throw a spanner in the works  (I know it's named after the family, but...seriously!)
Seriously, what a tool this guy is. There's a million pertinent issues he could be protesting if he's seriously concerned with racist undertones in Australian society. This just makes him look like a dick.
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Sam Watson lives in a world of racist biscuits.
Despite being on Coles’ shelves for three years, today Coles Supermarkets announced they’d be changing the name of their Creole biscuits due to “claims it is racist”.
I’m the first to admit when I first read the story I had no idea what a Creole was. I thought maybe it was an ancient Greek island but it turns out it’s a derogatory word for people who have mixed European and African ancestry. Oh, and it’s also the name for widely popular spicy cooking that originated out of Louisiana in the US.
What’s more probable, Coles named a food item after a popular food name or that they wanted to send a racist message to the European-Afircan community?
Unlucky for us, possibly the only person in Australia who knew of Creole’s racist connotations decided to make it his personal quest to badger Coles until they agreed to change the name.
Because you know really, this is clearly the most pressing issue affecting Aboriginal and Torres Straight islanders today. I mean christ, I’ve never had the courage to just come out and say it but on the back of Mr. Watson’s (seen on the right there with a ‘Black Australia movement’ tshirt) victory I’m just going to let it rip.
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS USE WHITE SUGAR ON BISCUITS?!
Seriously, is brown sugar just not good enough? What is this crap and who’s responsible. BROWN SUGAR RIGHTS NOW!
While Creole biscuits might be crossing the line, it’s reassuring to know that after a hard day’s work of White King’ing my bathroom and Black & Gold disinfecting my kitchen I can still sit down with a black tea and enjoy some Coon cheese and relax.
Instead of wasting research time on stupid things like racist biscuits perhaps Watson could take a look at some more pressing issues. Like perhaps the fact that:
An aboriginal youth is four times as likely to be the victim of domestic abuse.
Indigenous children make up 40% of all hospital admissions for children aged 0-4.
An indigenous baby is 1.8 times more likely to be neglected or abused.
Just this morning a four year old boy was admitted to Darwin hospital.
The lifeless body of a six-week old baby who was allegedly brutally bashed was rushed to Royal Darwin Hospital this morning.The boy who had reportedly blood on him was pronounced dead upon his arrival at the hospital about 4am. It is believed the boy’s family was known to child protection services.
Whilst the article doesn’t mention the baby was of aboriginal descent, statistically there’s a very high chance he was. In any case, the government’s response?
Ms McCarthy said she was confident with the department’s work and leaks within the agency would be investigated.
Instead of addressing the problem they’re more worried about how embarassing information was leaked and how it can be prevented in the future.
Rudd himself isn’t any better with the announcement today that he is planning a formal government apology for the ‘Forgotten Australians’. Seriously, didn’t we clear all this crap up with the government apology to the Stolen generation?
Apparently not.
This time around we’re apologising to “the survivors of some 500,000 children who found themselves institutionalised in orphanages and homes between 1930 and 1970.”
Child Migrants spokesman Harold Haig said the apology was only a first step.
“There would need to be reparation and restitution … so that child migrants finally get justice.”
Just like the stolen generation apology, greedy opportunists are already getting ready to circle the government with their hands held out. Who’ll fit the bill? Why the taxpayer of course.
In fifty years time I hope somebody gets up in parliament and makes an apology to the current ‘Stolen (from) generation’. I mean Jesus Christ if we thought the stolen generation was bad wait until the neglected kids of today wake up and start asking questions about why nobody did anything to save them in the name of political correctness and non-intervention.
With child protection laws woefully inadequate, child abuse out of control and the Rudd running around apologising on behalf of Australian’s to any minority group he can find, it should be people like Sam Watson leading a charge against blatantly inadequate policy.
But no, instead Watson is off fighting racist biscuits.
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