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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    .. and it doesn't concern you that the US government is able to apply that much pressure on for-profit corporate entities despite no law having been broken by Assange? Isn't the melding of corporate and government interests tantamount to fascism?

    If they can apply that much pressure, why can't they do it to the Swedes? Doesn't the convenience of all of this strike you as the least bit... well, convenient?

    Frankly, why even bother having laws if they're merely ignored when it's inconvenient?
    A government is always able to bring pressure to bear on for-profit companies, both domestic and foreign. The bigger the government, the more pressure can be applied. It's done during trade disputes, during objections over weapons deals, and other kinds of situations.

    The Swedes are not a for-profit company, and as far as I can tell, are seldom completely aligned with U.S. interests. For me to believe that the U.S. could a) pressure two women to offer false claims (multiple times, including the appeal), b) pressure the prosecutor to issue a charge, and c) pressure the Swedish government to contact Interpol, I would like someone to explain how that would work, because there would be plenty of opportunities for some at some level in Sweden to go straight to the press and say, "look what the U.S. is trying to make us do".

    As far as no laws being broken by either Assange or Wikileaks, I admit I'm not an expert here. However, it would appear that Assange would have broken U.S. law by negotiating to acquire classified and/or top secret materials. That would be a violation of the law in just about any country. Whether it would be the kind of law that would make Assange subject to extradition is another matter.

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    When the US government wants someone urgently, they rarely wait for an extradition order. When the wanted person is residing in a third world country, they hire hitmen or drop a drone. When the wanted person resides in a first world country, they kidnap the individual and drag him off to a third world country to be tortured and/or killed. OR they start a smear campaign, planting evidence, buying witnesses in order to get the "suspect" jailed in the country in question.

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    dude, do you seriously believe they have interpol warrants and europe-wide manhunts for every accused rapist? really? i know you love being contrary and playing devil's advocate but this is just making you look silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post

    The Swedes are not a for-profit company, and as far as I can tell, are seldom completely aligned with U.S. interests.

    They are making billions on arms sales to the US while we fight the two wars. Billions. Follow the money.
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    It's always the money. And it's not wikileaks who leaked this universal truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    When the US government wants someone urgently, they rarely wait for an extradition order. When the wanted person is residing in a third world country, they hire hitmen or drop a drone.
    That's the American way!

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    So Miss A had sex with him and then threw a party for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    They are making billions on arms sales to the US while we fight the two wars. Billions. Follow the money.
    I don't think the U.S. is nearly enough of a buyer to influence Sweden in that manner:

    Sweden's 2009 arms sales shot up - UPI.com

    STOCKHOLM, Sweden, March 11 (UPI) -- Sweden in 2009 sold arms worth $1.9 billion, a 7 percent increase over the previous year, a government agency said.
    "Of the total defense materiel exports, 80 percent went to well-established partner countries, both within the EU and to countries like South Africa and the United States," Andreas Ekman Duse, the head of the Swedish Agency for Non-Proliferation and Export Controls, or ISP, said in a statement.
    The ISP monitors and controls weapons exports. It said 2009 saw the biggest yearly growth of arms sales since it began monitoring them in 1996.
    The CV 90, a Swedish infantry fighting vehicle designed by Swedish company Haegglunds/Bofors and produced by BAE Systems Haegglunds, is being exported mainly to European nations.
    The top three export destinations in 2009 were the Netherlands, with $352 million; South Africa, with $240 million; and Pakistan, with $197 million.
    While more than half of all exports went to European nations, 27 percent went to what Duse called "well-established partner countries" -- the United States, Australia, South Africa, Canada, South Korea and Singapore.
    Weapons exports to more questionable markets -- including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Thailand and Bahrain -- continued in 2009, to the dismay of Swedish parliamentarians.

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    Remember when Interpol issued warrants and there were europe- wide manhunt for Roman Polanski and Alex Kelly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Swedish arms exports boom


    Exporting Swedish weapons is a booming business. Even though the ruling Social Democrats have said they don’t approve of expanding such deals, billions of kronor are rolling into the country.Last year Swedish companies exported 8.6 billion kronor worth of weapons, double what was exported just four years before.

    Defence manufacturers play an important role in Sweden's economy, with Saab and Bofors (owned by British BAE Systems) among the major exporters. In total, the arms industry accounted for 0.9 percent of Swedish goods exported in 2005.

    Saab is a bigger exporter of weapons than all other similar Nordic companies combined. The company has some 14,000 employees and orders worth 48 billion kronor, some 75 percent of which is set to be exported, according to Svenska Dagbladet.

    Swedish arms and defence equipment exports to countries with troops in Iraq were worth in excess of 1.8 billion kronor in 2005, according to government statistics. Arms exports to the United States were worth 745 million kronor, exports to Australia were worth 380 million and exports to the UK were worth 353 million. .

    Hägglunds in Örnsköldsvik manufactures armoured vehicles and tracked vehicles.

    The company is smiling with some 12 billion kronor of orders — five times as much as its turnover. During the past 10 years, turnover has tripled to 3 billion kronor, while the percentage of goods exported has gone up from 40 percent to 90 percent.

    The company employs 10 percent of those working in the municipality.

    Criticism of the booming industry is becoming louder.

    “We export, to a greater extent, to countries that break human rights and are involved with war, said Ola Mattsson, spokesman for Svenska Fred.


    Swedish arms exports boom - The Local
    I don't think the article's numbers make a very convincing case:

    Total Swedish arms exports in Krona is 8.6 Billion. With 1 Swedish Krona equaling .145 American dollar, that is a total of about $1.2 Billion (U.S. Dollars) in total Swedish arms exports. All destination countries combined.

    In 2005, the Swedish arms industry accounted for less than 1% of total Swedish goods exported. Even if it doubled as a percentage, that would only be 2% of exports.

    With the U.S. buying a fraction of that, it doesn't appear that we have billions in arms sales to hold over Sweden's head.

    Assuming that could somehow be tied to having two women go twice to the Swedish prosecutor and ask for charges to be pressed against Assange.

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    The US is Sweden's third largest trade partner, and there are more US companies represented in Sweden than in any other country in the world.....but the US has absolutely no way to influence Sweden.

    I can't believe that anyone would refuse to admit the possiblity that the US exerted any influence in this matter.



    Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group



    Yesterday Alexander Cockburn reminded us of the news Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett broke at Counterpunch in September. Julian Assange’s chief accuser in Sweden has a significant history of work with anti-Castro groups, at least one of which is US funded and openly supported by a former CIA agent convicted in the mass murder of seventy three Cubans on an airliner he was involved in blowing up.
    Anna Ardin (the official complainant) is often described by the media as a “leftist”. She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups. She published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba. From Oslo, Professor Michael Seltzer points out that this periodical is the product of a well-financed anti-Castro organization in Sweden. He further notes that the group is connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner whose CIA ties were exposed here.


    Quelle surprise, no? Shamir and Bennett went on to write about Ardin’s history in Cuba with a US funded group openly supported by a real terrorist: Luis Posada Carriles.
    In Cuba she interacted with the feminist anti-Castro group Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White). This group receives US government funds and the convicted anti-communist terrorist Luis Posada Carriles is a friend and supporter. Wikipedia quotes Hebe de Bonafini, president of the Argentine Madres de Plaza de Mayo as saying that “the so-called Ladies in White defend the terrorism of the United States.”


    Who is Luis Posada Carriles? He’s a mass murderer, and former CIA agent. . . .
    Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles (born February 15, 1928) (nicknamed Bambi by some Cuban exiles)[1] is a Cuban-born Venezuelan anti-communist extremist. A former Central Intelligence Agency agent,[2] Posada has been convicted in absentia of involvement in various terrorist attacks and plots in the Americas, including: involvement in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed seventy-three people;[3][4] admitted involvement in a string of bombings in 1997 targeting fashionable Cuban hotels and nightspots;[5][6][7] involvement in the Bay of Pigs invasion; [and] involvement in the Iran-Contra affair…


    Luis Posada Carriles is so evil that even the Bush administration wanted him behind bars:
    In 2005, Posada was held by U.S. authorities in Texas on the charge of illegal presence on national territory before the charges were dismissed on May 8, 2007. On September 28, 2005 a U.S. immigration judge ruled that Posada cannot be deported, finding that he faces the threat of torture in Venezuela.[11] His release on bail on April 19, 2007 had elicited angry reactions from the Cuban and Venezuelan governments.[12] The U.S. Justice Department had urged the court to keep him in jail because he was “an admitted mastermind of terrorist plots and attacks”, a flight risk and a danger to the community.[7]


    Who is Julian Assange’s chief accuser in Sweden? She’s a gender equity officer at Uppsula University – who chose to associate with a US funded group openly supported by a convicted terrorist and mass murderer. She just happens to have her work published by a very well funded group connected with Union Liberal Cubana – whose leader, Carlos Alberto Montaner, in turn just happened to pop up on right wing Colombian TV a few hours after the right-wing coup in Honduras. Where he joined the leader of the failed coup in Ecuador to savage Correa, the target of the coup. Montnaner also just happened to vociferously support the violent coup in Honduras, and chose to show up to sing the praises of the Honduran junta. Jean-Guy Allard, a retired Canadian journalist who now writes for Cuba’s Gramma, captured the moment
    A strange pair appeared on NTN 24, the right-wing Colombian television channel aligned to the Fox Broadcasting Company the U.S. A few hours after the coup attempt in Quito, Ecuador, CIA agent Carlos Alberto Montaner, a fugitive from Cuban justice for acts of terrorism, joined with one of the leaders of the failed Ecuadorian coup, ex-Lieutenant Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez, to attack President Rafael Correa…
    On the margin of his media news shows, Montaner’s is known for his fanatic support of the most extreme elements of the Cuban-American mafia.
    Last year, in the wake of the coup d’état against Honduran President Manuel Zelaya, June 28, he became an fervent supporter of the dictator Roberto Micheletti, along with U.S. Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and another Cuban-American terrorist and CIA collaborator, Armando Valladares.
    Montaner showed up repeatedly in Tegucigalpa to “defend human rights,” and at the same time to applaud the fascist Honduran regime when it unleashed its police on demonstrations by the National Resistance Front.


    Oh…and the “rape” charge that’s smeared Julian Assange’s name around the world? On Thursday James D. Catlin, the Melbourne barrister who represented Assange in London, wrote:
    Apparently having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for rape. That is the basis for a reinstitution of rape charges against WikiLeaks figurehead Julian Assange that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity.
    Sweden’s Public Prosecutor’s Office was embarrassed in August this year when it leaked to the media that it was seeking to arrest Assange for rape, then on the same day withdrew the arrest warrant because in its own words there was “no evidence”. The damage to Assange’s reputation is incalculable. More than three quarters of internet references to his name refer to rape. Now, three months on and three prosecutors later, the Swedes seem to be clear on their basis to proceed. Consensual sex that started out with a condom ended up without one, ergo, the sex was not consensual.


    I’ve spent much of my professional life as a psychiatrist helping women (and men) who are survivors of sexual violence. Rape is a hideous crime. Yet in Assange’s case his alleged victim – the gender equity officer at Uppsala University – chose to throw a party for her alleged assailant – after they’d had the sex that even Swedish prosecutors concede was consensual. Barrister Caitlin again:
    [The] phenomena of social networking through the internet and mobile phones constrains Swedish authorities from augmenting the evidence against Assange because it would look even less credible in the face of tweets by Anna Ardin and SMS texts by Sofia Wilén boasting of their respective conquests after the “crimes”.
    In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange’s honour at her flat after the “crime” and tweeted to her followers that she is with the “the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!”. Go on the internet and see for yourself. That Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these exculpatory tweets from the public record should be a matter of grave concern. That she has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends ever graver. The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Neither Wilén’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of rape.
    Small world, isn’t it? Julian Assange is the human face of Wikileaks – the organization that’s enabled whistle-blowers to reveal hideous war crimes and expose much of America’s foreign policy to the world.

    He just happens to meet a Swedish woman who just happens to have been publishing her work in a well-funded anti-Castro group that just happens to have links with a group led by a man at least one journalist describes as an agent of the CIA: the violent secret arm of America’s foreign policy.

    And she just happens to have been expelled from Cuba, which just happens to be the global symbol of successful defiance of American foreign policy.

    And – despite her work in Sweden upholding the human right of gender equity – in Cuba she just happens to end up associating with a group openly supported by an admitted CIA agent who himself committed mass murder when he actively participated in the terrorist bombing of a jetliner carrying a Cuban sports team…an act that was of a piece with America’s secret foreign policy of violent attacks against Cuban state interests.

    And now she just happens – after admittedly consensual sex – to have gone to Swedish authorities to report the sex ended without a condom…which just happens to be the pretext for Interpol to issue a “Red Notice” informing the world’s police forces of charges against Julian Assange.

    Who just happens to be the man America’s political class – the people who run America’s foreign policy – have been trying to silence. And who happens to be the man some of them have been calling to have murdered.

    With a lust for vengeance like that, one could be forgiven for concluding they’ve just happened to have taken a page from Anna’s revenge manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    The US is Sweden's third largest trade partner, and there are more US companies represented in Sweden than in any other country in the world.....but the US has absolutely no way to influence Sweden.

    I can't believe that anyone would refuse to admit the possiblity that the US exerted any influence in this matter.
    Witch, you would know better than I, but I've been reading about the strangle-hold the Swedish gov't has on the press there. Fuzzy on the details, but it seems like the press is funded by the gov't and in many cases prevented from reporting on things like the rape crisis there by young Muslim men against Swedish girls deemed impious.

    Certainly, all this is challenging the idea of Sweden as an enlightened state.
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    Looks like they are working to cut off any kind of funding by supporters and Hackers are striking back.


    Mastercard payments disrupted after WikiLeaks hackers launch 'cyberwar' over donations ban



    Card users unable to make payments
    • Revenge attack follows similar assault on Swiss Bank
    • Hackers promise to target Twitter over claims WikiLeaks comments are being censored
    • PayPal executive admits U.S. State Department pressured site to stop WikiLeaks payments
    Mastercard users were today facing problems with payments after WikiLeaks supporters hacked into the site in revenge for the card company's decision to stop processing donations.

    Online activists calling themselves Anonymous have launched 'Operation: Payback' following the move yesterday to cut off donations to the whistleblowing website.

    They appear to have staged a 'distributed denial of service' attack and brought down the site, which was unavailable this lunchtime.
    There were reports today that Mastercard users have been unable to make payments. Mastercard this afternoon confirmed a 'service disruption'.

    A message on Twitter from @Anon_Operation, read: 'WE ARE GLAD TO TELL YOU THAT http://www.mastercard.com/ is DOWN AND IT'S CONFIRMED! '#ddos #wikileaks Operationayback(is a b****!) #PAYBACK'
    Another, from AnonyWatcher, added - in a play on MasterCard's advertising: 'There are some things Wikileaks can't do. For everything else, there's Operation Payback.'


    There were also unconfirmed reports that the group would also target Twitter over claims the #wikileaks tag was not being updated properly.

    WikiLeaks Europe - also on Twitter - declared it was 'cyberwar'. The organisation said: 'Group That Took Down Swiss Bank Site Have Now Taken Down Mastercard.com.'

    This type of attack, which is illegal, involves flooding a website with so many requests that it becomes overloaded and stops working.

    PayPal, PostFinance and the Swedish prosecutors office - where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange faces sex allegations - also appear to have been targeted.

    Protest outside Westminster Magistrates court as Julian Assange was denied bail in his fight against extradition to Sweden yesterday


    The Anonymous group said in a statement: 'While we don't have much of an affiliation with WikiLeaks, we fight for the same reasons.

    'We want transparency and we counter censorship... This is why we intend to utilise our resources to raise awareness, attack those against and support those who are helping lead our world to freedom and democracy.'
    It is the latest development in a technological war and comes after MasterCard's move on Monday to no longer process donations.
    U.S. Army private Bradley Manning allegedly passed the State Department cables to WikiLeaks

    At the time, the credit card firm said: 'Mastercard rules prohibit customers from directly or indirectly engaging in or facilitating any action that is illegal.'
    Paypal has also stop processing payments to WikiLeaks, which has sparked controversy with the publication of thousands of secret diplomatic cables.
    This afternoon a PayPal executive admitted the firm stopped processing WikileLeaks' payments after being pressured by the US State Department.
    Speaking at a conference in Paris, Osama Bedier said: 'State Dept told us these were illegal activities. It was straightforward.'
    According to the website TechCrunch, the admission was greeted by a chorus of boos from the audience.
    Bedier, a PayPal vice president, added: 'We first comply with regulations around the world making sure that we protect our brand.'
    He claimed the State Department branded WikiLeaks illegal on November 27.

    Yesterday, the Swiss post office's bank, PostFinance, shut accounts opened by Mr Assange containing a defence fund and personal cash of 31,000 euros and Visa also suspended payments.

    Last week, Amazon pulled WikiLeaks from its servers and then the site's U.S. domain name system provider EveryDNS also severed contact.

    WikiLeaks was forced to move to a new web address based in Switzerland and it took hours for the group to get back up and running.

    The site says it has lost assets worth 100,000 euros in a week as a result of the moves to end agreements with PayPal and other companies.
    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was refused bail yesterday by a London court pending an extradition case over alleged sexual assaults in Sweden.


    Read more: WikiLeaks: Mastercard payments disrupted after hackers launch 'cyberwar' on donations ban | Mail Online
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    VISA just went down as well.
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