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    ^^They admitted they lied? That's a new one. I am really tired of Israel's bullshit. I defended them for years but eventually came to realize that they have been allowed to behave in teh worst way with impunity. And that's not to say their neighbours are angels or have behaved well, because lord knows they haven't. But Israel has the backing of the US and that makes a hell of a lot of difference, in so many ways.
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    Oh, this is lovely:

    A U.S. citizen was among those killed in Israel's flotilla raid Monday, the AP reports.

    A State Department official says one of the nine people killed in the Israeli raid on an aid flotilla Monday was a 19-year-old man with dual U.S.-Turkish citizenship.

    The official identified the victim as Furkan Dogan, who was believed to have been residing in Turkey.

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter has not been officially confirmed by the U.S. government.

    The official said the victim had been shot but it was not clear who shot him. He was among eight of the dead being mourned at a funeral in Istanbul Thursday.

    ABC News, quoting the Anatolian news agency, reports that Dogan was shot at "close range, with four bullets in his head and one in his chest."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/furkan-dogan-us-citizen-k_n_599173.html
    Shot at close range, with four bullets to the head? Wow.
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    A US citizen murdered by the IDF? Oh this should be fun.

    I seriously doubt the US will do anything but blame the dead guy.

    I hope Turkey pounds the shit out of the IDF, I hope the Swedes send a warship (i know they have a few laying around) and I hope the Irish ship gets drunk and fights with someone.
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    Well, since the guy had dual and was living in Turkey plenty of Yanks will be ready to write him off and question his loyalties. I know, I know, it's stupid but it will happen. I'm with you on the Irish...a liquored up Irishman is no one to mess around with. The Swedes are crawling with armaments. They're one of the biggest suppliers in the world, strangely, but since they are all about neutrality they'll go the diplomatic route. But they're very good at arm twisting.
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    An interesting article on the situation and the way it's being played out by the MSM in America. Thank god for the internet:

    Glenn Greenwald took on Dylan Ratigan fill-in Eliot Spitzer on MSNBC over Israel's raid on the flotilla and the Gaza blockade and frankly it was refreshing to see this sort of debate that is not all pro-Israel all the time on one of the cable news shows. Glenn has a bit more on this at Salon.

    Talking about Israel with Eliot Spitzer on MSNBC:

    I was just on MSNBC talking about Israel, the Gaza blockade and the flotilla attack with Eliot Spitzer, who was guest-hosting for Dylan Ratigan. It was a rather contentious discussion, though quite illustrative of how Israel is (and is not) typically discussed on American television, so I'm posting the whole 8-minute segment below. Two points: (1) before I was on, Spitzer had on an Israel-defending law professor, followed by Netanyahu's former Chief of Staff, and both of them (along with Spitzer) were spewing pure Israeli propaganda in uninterrupted and unchallenged fashion; at the end of Spitzer's discussions with them, he asked them to "stick around just in case," and once I was left, he brought at least one of them back on to respond to what I said without challenge; (2) literally 90 seconds before my segment was about to begin, the new cam and sound system I just acquired stopped working, forcing me to unplug everything and use only my laptop cam and mic, which caused the technical aspects to be less than ideal (though still perfectly workable).

    Most of the interviews I've seen with him are worse than this one with that awful web cam of his, so I hope he's got something better if he's going to keep coming on television. It's hard to make your points if the viewers can't hear what the hell you're saying, but anyway, back to the subject at hand.

    sluggahjells at Daily KOS made a few points about the interview that I agree with.

    What makes this interview so important to watch is that it features a perspective that isn't common place on Israel in American television.

    The ugly nature of the Netanyahu's Administration preference to keep the Gaza blockade going on and claim that the blockade is "To make the people of Gaza go on a diet" is really disturbing. And you'll never here what Greenwald said in a regular discussion about Israel here on our sad cable television news stations. Instead, you'll get the usual cautious dribble of support that preceded no matter how heinous the crimes that transpired under Israel's watch are.

    Because sometimes the truth, especially in regards to international news in the Middle East, can be too much for the networks to bare. And that was certainly the case with TV's potential next network man in Spitzer, when he had to deal with a completely honest broker like Greenwald is.

    The other thing Glenn pointed out is that Israel and the United States do not have the rest of the world with us on this one. The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is untenable and when you've got this coming out in reports the problem is not going away any time soon.

    Turkish navy 'to back next convoy' following Gaza flotilla raid:

    Israel is facing another potentially explosive confrontation at sea as pro-Palestinian activists sent two more boats to challenge its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    Turkey - one of Israel's closest Muslim allies until Monday's clash left several of citizens dead - was last night reported to be considering sending a naval escort for the boats.

    This would arrive in the region at the end of the week, creating a potential flashpoint for a major clash between the nations.

    Yesterday Turkish premier Tayyip Erdogan called for Israel to be punished for its attack on the flotilla on Monday and said 'nothing would ever be the same' in relations between the two allies.

    'Israel's behaviour should definitely, definitely be punished. No one should try to test Turkey's patience,' he said. Read on...

    As the media has reported -- President Obama treads lightly in Gaza crisis:

    The Obama administration walked a fine line yesterday in response to Israel’s deadly raid on a flotilla trying to break the blockade of Gaza, urging Israeli leaders to let more aid into the beleaguered territory but refusing to criticize the U.S. ally.

    President Obama telephoned Turkey’s prime minister to express his “deep condolences” for the deaths and injuries aboard a Turkish-flagged vessel and called for an impartial investigation. And Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed support for a U.N. Security Council statement that condemned the “acts” that cost the lives of nine pro-Palestinian activists off the Gaza coast.

    The raid put Obama in a difficult position, caught between pressing Israel to ease harsh conditions in the Gaza Strip while at the same time supporting efforts to stop the smuggling of arms into Gaza that could be used to attack Israel. Read on...

    Not a huge surprise there but as Jason noted, Israel really stepped in it this time and made it extremely hard for the United States to continue being a friend to Israel.

    Democracy Now devoted most of their hour long program to covering the rest of the world's reaction of the attack on the flotilla. You won't see much of this in our corporate media that takes most of their talking points from the pro-Israeli lobbyists in the United States either. John King's been allowing Amy Goodman to come on his new show on CNN once in a while. I would guess he'll never allow her to come on and comment about this situation.

    Global Condemnation of Israeli Armed Attack on Gaza-Bound Freedom Flotilla: At Least 10 Dead, Hundreds Remain in Detention

    To compare and contrast the "news" coverage out there, here's propagandist Sean Hannity with Get-Off-My-Lawn-You-Kids Grandpa McCain complaining that President Obama hasn't done quite enough to suit them to kiss Israel's ass yet since of course the Israelis are never, ever wrong and the people living in squalor, the ones they're keeping confined to a third world slum they can't escape and those attempting to help them and draw attention to it, are never, ever right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    ^^They admitted they lied? That's a new one. I am really tired of Israel's bullshit. I defended them for years but eventually came to realize that they have been allowed to behave in teh worst way with impunity. And that's not to say their neighbours are angels or have behaved well, because lord knows they haven't. But Israel has the backing of the US and that makes a hell of a lot of difference, in so many ways.
    Yep. Israel has all the power and military might in the area, so they use it to full capacity to lord it over their neighbors and bully anyone who dares to cross them. Nobody in that area is perfect but nobody besides Israel has the military might to completely crush people, and create a new Holocaust like what we see in Gaza. They are beyond wicked. And the only reason they admitted they lied this once is because they were backed into a corner and forced to, because the lie they created was such a incredibly bad one and easily disproven. Once again, they tried to lie to make themselves the victim here.

    When is the Rachel Corrie due to arrive? It gives me chills to think of her name being used on the vessel to try to bring humanitarian aid into Gaza. Her parents must be so proud, what a tribute to her name and death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    Yep. Israel has all the power and military might in the area, so they use it to full capacity to lord it over their neighbors and bully anyone who dares to cross them. Nobody in that area is perfect but nobody besides Israel has the military might to completely crush people, and create a new Holocaust like what we see in Gaza. They are beyond wicked. And the only reason they admitted they lied this once is because they were backed into a corner and forced to, because the lie they created was such a incredibly bad one and easily disproven. Once again, they tried to lie to make themselves the victim here.

    When is the Rachel Corrie due to arrive? It gives me chills to think of her name being used on the vessel to try to bring humanitarian aid into Gaza. Her parents must be so proud, what a tribute to her name and death.
    I second this wholeheartedly.

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    Totally off-topic, but I stumbled upon a total lunatic on Twitter. Had itchy fingers to respond but thought I'd take the high road! Her bio says it all! The hilarious thing is she says she's a "peace lover", the worst thing is she says she's a mom. Wowzers!

    http://twitter.com/nancy_michael
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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    Totally off-topic, but I stumbled upon a total lunatic on Twitter. Had itchy fingers to respond but thought I'd take the high road! Her bio says it all! The hilarious thing is she says she's a "peace lover", the worst thing is she says she's a mom. Wowzers!

    http://twitter.com/nancy_michael
    This..can't be real, right? It's got to be an anti-semitic parody?

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    That's what I thought at first! She keeps posting with the hashtag "flotilla" so her tweets pop up with all of those. My husband and I were kind of aghast at first, but she's so far off her rocker that we were laughing after awhile because she's absurd! Unfortunately, I don't think it's a joke. Plus she keeps tweeting that she wishes Israel had killed more flotilla workers because the less Muslims the better. She's crazy! I don't think I've ever seen someone so hate-filled on Twitter before - but then again, I don't go looking for these types of people.
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    Breathtakingly ignorant. I suggest we take a leaf out of her book and strap the bitch to the bow of the next ship that tries to run the blockade cos the less crazy bigots in the world the better.
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    Israel says aid ship Rachel Corrie will not be allowed into Gaza

    Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Andy David told ABC News today that the MV Rachel Corrie, which may be off the coast of Gaza as early as Friday, will be prevented from entering the blockade area.

    “The Rachel Corrie will not be allowed into Gaza," David said. "We are watching it and waiting to see what will happen. Hopefully, the people on board will direct to the port in Ashdod. The naval blockade is still in effect and the ship will not be allowed to enter into the naval blockade area."
    On Monday elite Israeli military commandos stormed six humanitarian aid ships taking part in the ‘Freedom Flotilla’ to Gaza, killing at least 9 civilian passengers and injuring dozens more while the ships were in international waters. The Rachel Corrie had been part of the flotilla but had to stay behind in Malta for repairs.

    Passengers on the Rachel Corrie, which embarked from Ireland, include Northern Irish Nobel peace laureate Mairead Corrigan-Maguire. She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1976. (Photo via Nobel Women's Initiative)


    According to organizers of the aid effort, the Freedom Flotilla was an effort by a coalition of human rights and humanitarian organizations to nonviolently break through Israel's illegal blockade, and deliver much needed humanitarian and developmental aid to the Palestinians of Gaza.
    The United Nations and activists who have recently visited Gaza say the Israeli blockade, in place since 2007, denies residents of Gaza the basic needs of life: a variety of foods, building materials, electricity, fuel, medicines and school supplies.

    Former U.N. assistant secretary-general Denis Halliday, who is on board the Rachel Corrie, told ABC News that they do not intend to stop their mission or head to the Israeli port of Ashdod instead.

    "It's a totally unacceptable embargo. There's no justification for it, there's no legality for it, it's not endorsed by the U.N., it's not endorsed by anybody else. It's an Israeli military zone which is without legal status," he said from the ship today in a phone interview with ABC.


    "When they tell they are about to board we will cooperate because it's too dangerous not to do so, particularly as you say it may be at night which is the usual tactic. We're not fools, we're not about to throw away our lives," Halliday said, according to ABC.


    He said the Rachel Corrie expects to be boarded by the Israelis Friday when they are approximately 80 miles off coast. Some organizers of the aid ships are still saying that the Rachel Corrie may wait until Monday or Tuesday to try to run the blockade. There have been reports that Turkey may send a warship to accompany the aid ships.


    The Rachel Corrie is a converted merchant ship bought by pro-Palestinian activists and named after the 23-year-old American peace activist from Olympia, Washington, who was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer in 2003, set off Monday from Malta. The ship carrying medical equipment, wheelchairs, school supplies and cement, a material Israel has banned in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


    Passengers on the Rachel Corrie, which embarked from Ireland, include Northern Irish Nobel peace laureate Mairead Corrigan-Maguire and several other Irish citizens. Corrigan-Maguire is a Northern Irish peace activist who co-founded, with Betty Williams, the Community of Peace People, an organization that worked for a peaceful resolution to the fighting in Northern Ireland. The two women received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1976.


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    Great slideshow by a man onboard the aid flotilla....

    Palestinian support groups to break through Israel's Gaza blockade

    His eyewitness account:

    AS THE assault began I started shooting, rotating my six memory cards regularly to reduce the risk of losing them.

    What we were seeing was unbelievable and I wanted to make sure the images survived so the story could be told. I took hundreds of photos.



    A few days before Paul McGeough and Kate Geraghty were detained in Israel, they produced this account of the "freedom flotilla" protesting Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    I was praying to God I'd get something.
    Four assault boats full of soldiers were chasing us and I knew they would board. I knew I just had to shoot as much as I could.

    With satellite communication jammed there was no way to transmit the images so I used gaffer tape to hide the micro SD cards on my body and in my clothes.

    Most of the Israeli boats sped away but a Zodiac stopped beside our boat and the commandos boarded.

    I was knocked to the ground, perhaps by a stun gun. I got up and a soldier lunged towards me and snatched my camera.

    Despite numerous searches, including a strip search, I saved three cards. The Israelis found three in my clothing, but I hung on to the others - two on my body and one in some personal gear.


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    So Israel is going to intercept ships AGAIN in international waters in acts of further piracy?

    Look you desert dwelling schmucks:

    YOU DO NOT OWN THE FUCKING OCEAN.

    Get sunk.

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    And more crap from Israel - they sent off a parody video to journalists about the Flotilla incident. Yes lets joke and dismiss the death of 19 people who died

    JERUSALEM (BNO NEWS) -- The Israeli Government Press Office on Friday apologized to journalists after it inadvertently sent out a YouTube link to a video parody about the Flotilla incident last Monday.

    Israeli naval forces on Monday seized the MV Mavi Marmara that was part of an aid convoy called the "Gaza Freedom Flotilla". The ships were en-route to the Gaza Strip.

    Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers who boarded the ship were met with heavy resistance from the passengers, who beat them with sticks, metal bars, and other items. The Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing nine passengers and wounding dozens more. Israel says the soldiers - who wanted to search the vessel for weapons - acted in self-defense.

    The incident prompted widespread international reaction, including the United Nations Security Council and the UN Human Rights Council who condemned the acts.

    On Friday, the Israeli Government Press Office accidentally e-mailed a YouTube video link to journalists, including journalists from BNO News. The video, created by Latma TV, used music from the 1985-song "We Are the World," which was written by Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie.

    "There comes a time, when we need to make a show, for the world, the Web and CNN," a man - dressed as the captain of a ship - sings as the song begins. "There's no people dying, so the best that we can do is create the greatest bluff of all," the song continues, apparently referring to the people on board the MV Mavi Marmara.

    The song goes on, saying they must go on day by day to pretend that there is crisis, hunger and plague in Gaza. "Cause the billion bucks in aid won't buy their basic needs, like some cheese and missiles for the kids."

    It took the Israeli Government Press Office almost three hours to retract the e-mail. "[The Israeli Government Press Office] would like to recall the message, "CAroline Glick and the Flotilla Band"," a brief e-mail to journalists said.

    About 20 minutes later, Efraim Roseman of the Israeli Government Press Office released a statement with more details. "Earlier today, we inadvertently released a video link that we had received, which was intended for our perusal, not for general release," Roseman wrote. "The contents of the video in no way reflect the official policy of the State of Israel, the Government Press Office or any other government body."

    The blunder happened as international pressure on Israel over its handling of the Gaza crisis is increasing.
    PR blunder: Israeli government’s press office sends Flotilla incident parody video to journalists » Breaking News | Wire Update News | News Wires -

    And the video
    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&feature=player_embedded[/YOUTUBE]

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