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    Pfft, the US won't do anything. It'll sit there and bleat for everybody to be calm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    Huh. They're blocking journalists from talking to anyone who might dispute their version of events. This is too much this time.
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    There are now reports that people are being detained and not sent for deportation unless they sign papers confessing to illegally entering Israel. If they were in international waters and were forcibly removed into Israeli territory then that, to me, is kidnapping not illegal entry.

    The whitewash is already underway.
    None of this is surprising. Israel has blocked foreign media all the time from the Gaza occupation so people are fully unaware of just how bad that situation is - one of the most densest areas in terms of population, and nobody can move in or out. They are cutting the people off of their resources and bulldozing their homes, people are dying everyday. Aid has been restricted, or completely undeliverable. This, to me, is another Holocaust and it is absolutely unbelievable that this can occur without anyone blinking an eye. It seems like Israel pulls the Holocaust card to try to prevent anyone from questioning their own genocide in the area. I'm so passionate about this issue that I am literally shaking right now thinking about all that aid that has now been prevented from going to the people of Gaza. The only thing I can say is that I have seen a gradual change from the Bush administration, at least more people seem to be catching on that Israel is not a victim in the Middle East. They aren't quite as able to whitewash their war crimes as they used to be. Israel will never, ever, admit any culpability for their crimes - they will simply whitewash them or act as if they don't exist, just like they did in Qana or the last Gaza massacre. Just look at the stats in the last Gaza conflict: 14 Israelis killed (4 in friendly fire) and 1.417 Palestinians killed (mostly women and children). Over 50,000 Gaza residents displaced and over 4,000 Palestinian homes demolished. No foreign media allowed in to look at the damage and massive amounts of civilian corpses, Israel goes on a massive campaign to make it look like they were once again simply defending themselves. You'll always have people defending Israel because they somehow mistakenly believe that they are the beacon of peace in the Middle East, when they've proven over and over to be the opposite. I think a lot of sympathizers are secretly either Muslim or Arab haters, to be honest - I just wish people were more upfront about it. I don't know how you could ever sympathize with Israel, it raises my hackles. We have 2.8 billion appropriated to give to Israel this year in aid, that also leaves me incredulous - I feel like we're giving money to aid Israel in killing a big dose of civilians, which makes my skin crawl. And every time I post this, I have to clarify - I am not a Palestinian sympathizer either. But they are the underdogs in this fight, they don't have the luxury of a huge military at their disposal and millions of dollars to pump into the media to make sure their crimes are whitewashed.

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    What happens if/when the US starts wading in as supporters of Israel? Countries will be called upon to take sides. This has the potential to turn into a disaster for everyone.
    They would be absolutely stupid to get physically involved. Per usual, to pacify all the rabid Bible thumpers and right-wingers they will issue a statement that they stand behind Israel, they'll never betray them, blah blah blah. They won't stand for Israel to be punished unless they are strong-armed, which they won't be - this will all be over soon, and per usual, nothing will happen to Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minime7 View Post
    Israel will most likely not be held accountable I really dont know why they are so important that their every action is defended and justified. They're alot more trouble than they are worth.
    They've never been held accountable. At some point there's going to be a huge incident and they're not only going to be the cause, they're going to expect us to back them up. The possibilities of what this could turn into honestly scare the hell out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance View Post
    They've never been held accountable. At some point there's going to be a huge incident and they're not only going to be the cause, they're going to expect us to back them up. The possibilities of what this could turn into honestly scare the hell out of me.
    That is pretty much the way I have been thinking, Sundance. I'm also concerned about Israel pulling in favours from their "Friend of the US" status to have pressure brought to bear on the countries who are calling for action against them, and how far the US administration is willing to go to appease them is anyone's guess. Maybe they will just bleat and appeal for calm and then do nothing as Grimm said, but if they do get involved it will be not only be damaging to US/European political relations but will also be as good as telling Israel that they can continue to do whatever they want as their good buddies will get their back. This could turn into something much bigger and much messier and very quickly, especially if the threats of even stronger actions against aid flotillas comes to pass.
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    This may sound very melodramatic but I've always believed(sadly, very sadly) that WWIII would arise one day from the Gaza-Israel situation. Hope this isn't the start of something catastrophic.



    Israel is like the spoiled youngest child..It does something wrong and the big players of the international community just wag their finger, if that. Not even a slap on the wrist. Israel needs some time on the naughty step.

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    Henning Mankell told the Swedish press that people were shot while sleeping. He and other Swedish activists are supremely pissed, as is Foreign Minister Carl Bildt.

    Swedish author Henning Mankell is one of a trio of activists which have arrived back in Sweden after being released by Israel following their participation in the Gaza-bound flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos.
    "Israel has painted itself into a corner": Bildt (2 Jun 10)
    Unclear when Israel will release Swedes (2 Jun 10)
    Swedes in Israeli custody after aid convoy attack (1 Jun 10)
    Mankell arrived in Sweden late Tuesday together with Green Party member Mehmet Kaplan and senior physician Victoria Strand.

    "What will happen next year when we come back with hundreds of boats? Will
    they drop an atom bomb," the renowned author of the Wallander crime series said when he returned to Gothenburg airport on Tuesday night.

    Mankell expressed concern over the Swedes remaining in Israel.

    "We are worried about our friends who are still in jail," the renowned author of the Wallander detective series told the Expressen tabloid onboard the flight to Sweden.

    Sweden's foreign ministry has said that four of the 11 Swedes who had been travelling with the flotilla when it was attacked early Monday - leaving nine
    activists dead and scores injured - had been permitted to leave Israel.

    Kaplan and Strand met the assembled media when they arrived at Stockholm Arlanda Airport. Strand said that it took eleven hours for the Israelis to tow the boat on which they were travelling, the Sofia, into Ashdod harbour. During this time the activists were guarded by masked soldiers.

    The quay was lined with hundreds of soldiers past which the activists were forced to walk passed. They were then dispersed to various "stations".

    "The Israelis did all they could to humiliate us... They wanted to scare us into obedience," Strand said.

    According to Strand the activists were accused of illegally encroaching on an Israeli military zone.

    "Then I replied that "you detained us 79 nautical miles off the coast of Gaza and you do not have any right to a military zone there'".

    Under protest Strand decided to sign a document where she agreed to immediate deportation.

    Mehmet Kaplan told how the Israeli commandos boarded the boat from both sides.

    "It was if we had been attacked by pirates. When they approached our boat they got onboard via grappling hooks on on both sides. We retreated up to the bridge and engine room to protect them but the soldiers, who bore balaclavas, used stun guns against several people on the boat," he said.

    Kaplan underlined that nobody that he travelled with, neither the crew nor the activists, offered any resistance.

    "We had undertaken anti-violence training and we retreated the while time as they advance, fully equipped," he said.

    Kaplan only first found out that activists had died at the hands of Israeli commandos on Tuesday. He reserved warm praise for the foreign ministry and the Swedish embassy in Tel Aviv.

    "Without their help we would perhaps still be there. It is a lifeline for those who remain," he said.

    Henning Mankell completed his journey in Gothenburg and on arrival at Landvetter airport he told the Expressen daily that he had not regrets over his participation, but elected to reserve further comment until later.

    "For the simple reason that some of our friends remain in custody in Israel," he said.

    The Israeli government said on Tuesday that it plans to release all of the foreigners who were involved in the Gaza-bound flotilla. Hundreds were expelled on Wednesday.

    The six ships in the Freedom Flotilla, carrying more than 700 passengers, were on a mission to deliver some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a
    crippling Israeli blockade since 2007.The Local - Sweden's news in English
    Sweden's Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has demanded an immediate, full and independent investigation into the Gaza aid convoy attacks.
    Spyker chief promises new life for Saab (2 Jun 10)
    Unclear when Israel will release Swedes (2 Jun 10)
    Sweden urges EU 'open door' on Balkans (2 Jun 10)
    Bildt said Sweden strongly condemns the use of violence and demands an immediate, full and independent investigation into how the shootings on the Gaza-bound flotilla, which was carrying aid and activists, could have happened.

    "It is important that all this does not degenerate into anti-Israeli hysteria," Bildt told newspapers Dagens Nyheter (DN).

    "The Israelis have painted themselves into a corner with a catastrophic policy that leads to one problem after another. It is the world's business to get it out of the corner and try to find to a constructive resolution to this."

    Bildt made the comments to DN shortly after a call with Israeli Ambassador Benny Dagan, in which he made clear Sweden's position on the imprisoned Swedish activists.

    "Of great importance is also that the Security Council now requires 'immediate release' of the civilians now seized by Israel," Bildt wrote on his blog.

    "The requirement is very important and we are now working so that the EU as a whole can work with Israel to resolve this as quickly as possible."

    He added, "There is no acceptable legal basis for the current detention of citizens of EU and other countries and the Security Council's statement in this part also indirectly makes this clear to the Israeli authorities."

    The best resolution to this affair would be, according to Bildt, a broad agreement that governs relief supplies to Gaza.

    "The Israelis have signaled that they would consider a corridor between the port of Ashdod and the Gaza Strip," Bildt told DN.

    "I have nothing against the Israelis searching the contents if they want to ensure that no weapons are smuggled in the shipments, but it is important that we have a clear and common understanding that makes it possible to establish new routines, preferably under international supervision, for the Gaza Strip's supply."

    In response to whether Sweden should consider former British foreign secretary David Miliband's proposal to boycott goods from the occupied territories, Bildt told DN, "We have already tightened customs regulations on these products. The EU has made clear that our agreement with Israel applies to goods produced inside the 1967 borders, which makes products from the settlements more expensive and less competitive."

    The Israeli government said on Tuesday that it plans to release all of the foreigners who were involved in the Gaza-bound flotilla. Hundreds were expelled on Wednesday.

    Swedish author Henning Mankell and three other Swedes who were involved with the flotilla returned to Sweden on Tuesday. Seven others remained in jail at lunchtime on Wednesday.

    The six ships in the Freedom Flotilla, carrying more than 700 passengers, were on a mission to deliver some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade since 2007."Israel has painted itself into a corner": Bildt - The Local
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    I love the wording used in different media; online regular AP news uses the phrasing "Israel to expel/deport" and Democracy Now says "Israel to release"

    I love even more how Israel says they won't file any charges. Ummmmm you boarded a boat in international waters and took the people on the boat into custody, wtf.
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    Yeah, and some are being charged with "assaulting" IDF soldiers. Do the victims get to charge the IDF soldiers for murdering them?

    Fucking ridiculous. I hope the Turks kick the shit out of Israel.
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    3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Before boarding the Marmara, Ali Khaider Benginin told his family he dreamt of becoming a shahid. Turkish press reports two other slain flotilla participants expressed similar wish. A Dutch activist arrested on flotilla suspected of ties with Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood
    Aviel Magnezi



    The Gaza flotilla organizers insist that all activists killed on board the Marmara ship were innocent peace activists. However, new reports reveal a completely different picture.


    Media reports in Ankara on Wednesday revealed that three out of the four Turkish citizens that were killed during the raid declared their wishes to become shahids (martyrs). Another Dutch report claimed a Dutch activist, who was arrested by the IDF is suspected of being a senior Hamas operative.



    In an interview with Turkish newspaper Haber, the family members of Ali Khaider Benginin (39), resident of east Turkey's Kurdistan region, revealed their relative's true intentions.


    "I am going to be a shahid; I dreamt I will become a shahid – I saw in a dream that I will be killed," Benginin told his family before leaving for the sail.



    According to the report, beniginin, who graduated from al-Azhar University in Cairo, served for the past two years as the chairman of a foundation for rights and freedom in education and culture. His family noted that he had spoken in the past about his dream to become a shahid in Gaza.


    Another Turkish citizen killed during the raid, Ali Akhbar Iritilmis (55), a father of four from Ankara, was active in the IHH organization, which led the naval convoy to Gaza. "He was devoted to this activity, and always dreamt about becoming a shahid," said his close friend Mehmet Faruq Cheber.


    Anadolu News Agency reported that the third activist killed on boards the Marmara, Ibrahim Bilgen (61), an engineer and father of six, was active in the Islamic party in southern Turkey. "He was a role model to all of us; a true philanthropist. Therefore, it suited him to die a shahid's death. Allah gave him the death he wanted," said Ibrahim's brother, Nuri Mergen.


    The fourth slain activist, Muharram Kuchak, was also a volunteer with the IHH.


    The three Turkish "shahids," as it turns out, were not alone. Holland-based Teltarif newspaper reported Wednesday morning that Amin Abou Rashed, 43, and Anne de Jong, 29, are probably the only two Dutch citizens that were arrested among the flotilla participants.



    The newspaper's investigation revealed incriminating details from Abou Rashed's past; intelligence sources claimed he is the local Hamas leader, while the Muslim Brotherhood's website identified him as one of the organizers of the naval convoy.


    According to Teltarif's report, Dutch intelligence services have been following Abou Rashed's activities for a long time. He worked, among other places, with al- Aqsa Foundation, suspected of acting under the guise of a charity, while funneling its donations to Hamas.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...898109,00.html

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    PRUDEN: A shocking story of Israeli survival
    By Wesley Pruden
    6:00 p.m., Monday, May 31, 2010

    When the going gets tough, the not-so-tough call in the cliches. The world's "leaders" are shocked! — shocked! — when Israel defends itself. Actually, they're "shocked" just like Claude Rains, the police inspector in "Casablanca," was shocked to learn that gambling was going on in the casino at Rick's Cafe.
    Ban Ki-moon, the secretary-general of the United Nations who rarely sees Third World evil, shocking or otherwise, says he was "shocked" by the Israeli navy's stopping a convoy that was attempting to break through the blockade of Islamist terrorists in Gaza. The governments of Sweden, Greece and Jordan were so "shocked" that they recalled their ambassadors to Israel to get the inside dope to further fuel their "shock." Tony Blair, who is some sort of "peacemaker"-at-large in the Middle East, was "shocked," too. If he is, it's only because he hasn't been in the Middle East long enough to unpack his Gladstone. France was not just a little bit "shocked," but "profoundly shocked." There was so much "shock" in the air that the manufactured mourning became electric.
    The convoy of six ships carried not only thousands of tons of supplies, but hundreds of "activists," and when the smoke cleared, a dozen or so activists — the count varied through the day — had been rendered inactivists capable of no further mischief. The European Union demanded an official inquiry, so profound was its "shock." The United Nations went into emergency session to recover from its own "shock."
    These usual suspects went riding off in several directions even before they could mount their horses, but an investigation, official or otherwise, is not really necessary. Verdict now, facts later. The Associated Press, which once took pride in its reporting but is awash now only in activists and pundits, set out the story line: "Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its three-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory."
    The account of the Israeli commandos tells a different story. The Mava Marmara, the lead ship in the armada, was told to change course and not land in Gaza. When it ignored the warning, Israeli marines and commandos boarded the ship, some by rope ladders from helicopters. A fierce fight erupted on deck, and only after taking casualties and fearing for their lives did the commandos fire back, trying to aim first at the feet of the "peace activists."
    Israel is at war, fighting for its very existence, surrounded by hostile Islamic regimes, some more hostile than others. Not all the hostile regimes approve, or so they say, of the Islamist campaign of extinction of Israel by attrition. None of these hostile regimes will do anything to persuade, or compel, the Palestinians to give up the Islamist dream of destroying Israel in a second Holocaust. This is the reality in the Middle East, and everyone in Washington, London, Paris and the other capitals of the West knows it. Who could be shocked when the Israelis do what they think they must do to survive?
    The facts on ground and sea are, as usual, ignored in the din of rioting in the streets and diplomatic argle-bargle, with the usual simplistic media telling of the story: The "activist" armada of "peace" ships was intended only to relieve the suffering of women, children and maybe even an occasional cute kitten or puppy. The less appealing but more accurate account is that the "activist" account is bunk.
    Adequate supplies of food, medicine and other necessary goods are delivered regularly to Palestinians in Gaza — and by the Israelis. The government in Jerusalem quickly invited reporters to the Kerem Shalom crossing to see, and photograph, the convoys of trucks delivering these goods to Gaza. The Israelis even offered to transfer the goods from the "activist" boats as soon as they could be unloaded and inspected. The sponsor of the "activist" armada, the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation, is regarded by Israel as a radical Islamist organization, part of a global fundraising operation for Hamas. If the Israelis allow such flotillas to deliver supplies to Gaza, other ships will follow, not with rice and beans but with explosives, rifles and long-range Iranian Fajr-5 missiles.
    But the attack of the "peace" ships was intended for an even larger and more important purpose — to undermine Israeli determination to continue the struggle for its survival. This won't shock anyone who's paying attention. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/31/pruden-a-shocking-story-of-israeli-survival/

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    ^ what a load of shit.

    Israel illegally boarded ships belonging to NATO nations in international waters, murdered 19 of the crew and passengers, and found nothing on board that would warrant such barbarity.

    That is inescapable. All the propaganda and spin in the world will not salvage the situation.

    Israel does not have the right to such actions. If they continue to operate as if they do, they will be met with the deliberate force such a situation calls for.

    Enjoy tangling with NATO and in particular Turkey's well equipped and modern navy. Also enjoy when Turkey invokes a number of NATO clauses, forcing the other members to take a side.

    Starving 1.5 million people to death has its consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marie View Post
    PRUDEN: A shocking story of Israeli survival
    By Wesley Pruden
    6:00 p.m., Monday, May 31, 2010

    When the going gets tough, the not-so-tough call in the cliches. The world's "leaders" are shocked! — shocked! — when Israel defends itself. Actually, they're "shocked" just like Claude Rains, the police inspector in "Casablanca," was shocked to learn that gambling was going on in the casino at Rick's Cafe.
    Ban Ki-moon, the secretary-general of the United Nations who rarely sees Third World evil, shocking or otherwise, says he was "shocked" by the Israeli navy's stopping a convoy that was attempting to break through the blockade of Islamist terrorists in Gaza. The governments of Sweden, Greece and Jordan were so "shocked" that they recalled their ambassadors to Israel to get the inside dope to further fuel their "shock." Tony Blair, who is some sort of "peacemaker"-at-large in the Middle East, was "shocked," too. If he is, it's only because he hasn't been in the Middle East long enough to unpack his Gladstone. France was not just a little bit "shocked," but "profoundly shocked." There was so much "shock" in the air that the manufactured mourning became electric.
    The convoy of six ships carried not only thousands of tons of supplies, but hundreds of "activists," and when the smoke cleared, a dozen or so activists — the count varied through the day — had been rendered inactivists capable of no further mischief. The European Union demanded an official inquiry, so profound was its "shock." The United Nations went into emergency session to recover from its own "shock."
    These usual suspects went riding off in several directions even before they could mount their horses, but an investigation, official or otherwise, is not really necessary. Verdict now, facts later. The Associated Press, which once took pride in its reporting but is awash now only in activists and pundits, set out the story line: "Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its three-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory."
    The account of the Israeli commandos tells a different story. The Mava Marmara, the lead ship in the armada, was told to change course and not land in Gaza. When it ignored the warning, Israeli marines and commandos boarded the ship, some by rope ladders from helicopters. A fierce fight erupted on deck, and only after taking casualties and fearing for their lives did the commandos fire back, trying to aim first at the feet of the "peace activists."
    Israel is at war, fighting for its very existence, surrounded by hostile Islamic regimes, some more hostile than others. Not all the hostile regimes approve, or so they say, of the Islamist campaign of extinction of Israel by attrition. None of these hostile regimes will do anything to persuade, or compel, the Palestinians to give up the Islamist dream of destroying Israel in a second Holocaust. This is the reality in the Middle East, and everyone in Washington, London, Paris and the other capitals of the West knows it. Who could be shocked when the Israelis do what they think they must do to survive?
    The facts on ground and sea are, as usual, ignored in the din of rioting in the streets and diplomatic argle-bargle, with the usual simplistic media telling of the story: The "activist" armada of "peace" ships was intended only to relieve the suffering of women, children and maybe even an occasional cute kitten or puppy. The less appealing but more accurate account is that the "activist" account is bunk.
    Adequate supplies of food, medicine and other necessary goods are delivered regularly to Palestinians in Gaza — and by the Israelis. The government in Jerusalem quickly invited reporters to the Kerem Shalom crossing to see, and photograph, the convoys of trucks delivering these goods to Gaza. The Israelis even offered to transfer the goods from the "activist" boats as soon as they could be unloaded and inspected. The sponsor of the "activist" armada, the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation, is regarded by Israel as a radical Islamist organization, part of a global fundraising operation for Hamas. If the Israelis allow such flotillas to deliver supplies to Gaza, other ships will follow, not with rice and beans but with explosives, rifles and long-range Iranian Fajr-5 missiles.
    But the attack of the "peace" ships was intended for an even larger and more important purpose — to undermine Israeli determination to continue the struggle for its survival. This won't shock anyone who's paying attention. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/31/pruden-a-shocking-story-of-israeli-survival/
    What a complete load of bullocks. Israel wasn't defending itself, it was trying to protect it's illegal blockade of Gaza and killed a bunch of peaceful people in the process. They're well on their way to becoming an international pariah, and it's of their own making. Thye continually behave with the utmost arrogance and are oppressing an entire people.
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    Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marie View Post
    3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Before boarding the Marmara, Ali Khaider Benginin told his family he dreamt of becoming a shahid. Turkish press reports two other slain flotilla participants expressed similar wish. A Dutch activist arrested on flotilla suspected of ties with Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood
    Aviel Magnezi



    The Gaza flotilla organizers insist that all activists killed on board the Marmara ship were innocent peace activists. However, new reports reveal a completely different picture.


    Media reports in Ankara on Wednesday revealed that three out of the four Turkish citizens that were killed during the raid declared their wishes to become shahids (martyrs). Another Dutch report claimed a Dutch activist, who was arrested by the IDF is suspected of being a senior Hamas operative.



    In an interview with Turkish newspaper Haber, the family members of Ali Khaider Benginin (39), resident of east Turkey's Kurdistan region, revealed their relative's true intentions.


    "I am going to be a shahid; I dreamt I will become a shahid – I saw in a dream that I will be killed," Benginin told his family before leaving for the sail.



    According to the report, beniginin, who graduated from al-Azhar University in Cairo, served for the past two years as the chairman of a foundation for rights and freedom in education and culture. His family noted that he had spoken in the past about his dream to become a shahid in Gaza.


    Another Turkish citizen killed during the raid, Ali Akhbar Iritilmis (55), a father of four from Ankara, was active in the IHH organization, which led the naval convoy to Gaza. "He was devoted to this activity, and always dreamt about becoming a shahid," said his close friend Mehmet Faruq Cheber.


    Anadolu News Agency reported that the third activist killed on boards the Marmara, Ibrahim Bilgen (61), an engineer and father of six, was active in the Islamic party in southern Turkey. "He was a role model to all of us; a true philanthropist. Therefore, it suited him to die a shahid's death. Allah gave him the death he wanted," said Ibrahim's brother, Nuri Mergen.


    The fourth slain activist, Muharram Kuchak, was also a volunteer with the IHH.


    The three Turkish "shahids," as it turns out, were not alone. Holland-based Teltarif newspaper reported Wednesday morning that Amin Abou Rashed, 43, and Anne de Jong, 29, are probably the only two Dutch citizens that were arrested among the flotilla participants.



    The newspaper's investigation revealed incriminating details from Abou Rashed's past; intelligence sources claimed he is the local Hamas leader, while the Muslim Brotherhood's website identified him as one of the organizers of the naval convoy.


    According to Teltarif's report, Dutch intelligence services have been following Abou Rashed's activities for a long time. He worked, among other places, with al- Aqsa Foundation, suspected of acting under the guise of a charity, while funneling its donations to Hamas.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...898109,00.html
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    PRUDEN: A shocking story of Israeli survival
    By Wesley Pruden
    6:00 p.m., Monday, May 31, 2010

    When the going gets tough, the not-so-tough call in the cliches. The world's "leaders" are shocked! — shocked! — when Israel defends itself. Actually, they're "shocked" just like Claude Rains, the police inspector in "Casablanca," was shocked to learn that gambling was going on in the casino at Rick's Cafe.
    Ban Ki-moon, the secretary-general of the United Nations who rarely sees Third World evil, shocking or otherwise, says he was "shocked" by the Israeli navy's stopping a convoy that was attempting to break through the blockade of Islamist terrorists in Gaza. The governments of Sweden, Greece and Jordan were so "shocked" that they recalled their ambassadors to Israel to get the inside dope to further fuel their "shock." Tony Blair, who is some sort of "peacemaker"-at-large in the Middle East, was "shocked," too. If he is, it's only because he hasn't been in the Middle East long enough to unpack his Gladstone. France was not just a little bit "shocked," but "profoundly shocked." There was so much "shock" in the air that the manufactured mourning became electric.
    The convoy of six ships carried not only thousands of tons of supplies, but hundreds of "activists," and when the smoke cleared, a dozen or so activists — the count varied through the day — had been rendered inactivists capable of no further mischief. The European Union demanded an official inquiry, so profound was its "shock." The United Nations went into emergency session to recover from its own "shock."
    These usual suspects went riding off in several directions even before they could mount their horses, but an investigation, official or otherwise, is not really necessary. Verdict now, facts later. The Associated Press, which once took pride in its reporting but is awash now only in activists and pundits, set out the story line: "Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its three-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory."
    The account of the Israeli commandos tells a different story. The Mava Marmara, the lead ship in the armada, was told to change course and not land in Gaza. When it ignored the warning, Israeli marines and commandos boarded the ship, some by rope ladders from helicopters. A fierce fight erupted on deck, and only after taking casualties and fearing for their lives did the commandos fire back, trying to aim first at the feet of the "peace activists."
    Israel is at war, fighting for its very existence, surrounded by hostile Islamic regimes, some more hostile than others. Not all the hostile regimes approve, or so they say, of the Islamist campaign of extinction of Israel by attrition. None of these hostile regimes will do anything to persuade, or compel, the Palestinians to give up the Islamist dream of destroying Israel in a second Holocaust. This is the reality in the Middle East, and everyone in Washington, London, Paris and the other capitals of the West knows it. Who could be shocked when the Israelis do what they think they must do to survive?
    The facts on ground and sea are, as usual, ignored in the din of rioting in the streets and diplomatic argle-bargle, with the usual simplistic media telling of the story: The "activist" armada of "peace" ships was intended only to relieve the suffering of women, children and maybe even an occasional cute kitten or puppy. The less appealing but more accurate account is that the "activist" account is bunk.
    Adequate supplies of food, medicine and other necessary goods are delivered regularly to Palestinians in Gaza — and by the Israelis. The government in Jerusalem quickly invited reporters to the Kerem Shalom crossing to see, and photograph, the convoys of trucks delivering these goods to Gaza. The Israelis even offered to transfer the goods from the "activist" boats as soon as they could be unloaded and inspected. The sponsor of the "activist" armada, the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation, is regarded by Israel as a radical Islamist organization, part of a global fundraising operation for Hamas. If the Israelis allow such flotillas to deliver supplies to Gaza, other ships will follow, not with rice and beans but with explosives, rifles and long-range Iranian Fajr-5 missiles.
    But the attack of the "peace" ships was intended for an even larger and more important purpose — to undermine Israeli determination to continue the struggle for its survival. This won't shock anyone who's paying attention. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...aeli-survival/
    Sickening, disgusting, BLATANT propaganda.

    Have you no shame Israel? At long last, have you no sense of decency?

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