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    ... why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Kill Me View Post
    Yeah, OMG Houston is so apathetic.
    I don't understand...do you mean people there are not following this or not caring about this particular issue???
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    and right on cue, the US basically blames the people (activists and crew) the IDF killed for the whole thing, and says Israel is innocent.

    I’m told there won’t be any daylight between the US and Israel in the aftermath of the incident on the flotilla yesterday, which resulted in the deaths of 10 activists.

    Regardless of the details of the flotilla incident, sources say President Obama is focused on what he sees as the longer term issue here: a successful Mideast peace process.

    “The president has always said that it will be much easier for Israel to make peace if it feels secure,” a senior administration official tells ABC News.

    The suggestion is that US condemnation of Israel would further isolate that country, and make further peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians even more difficult.

    The senior administration official says that President Obama spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu three times on Monday. Mr. Obama pushed the notion that last night – as the United Nations Security Council met to issue a statement about the incident – was the moment when the US had maximum leverage, that the longer the statement was being debated the worse it would ultimately be for Israel.

    Ultimately, as the statement was negotiated over night, the US succeeded in making it more neutral where other nations wanted it to criticize and condemn Israel.

    The statement expresses that the "Security Council deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries resulting form the use of force during the Israeli military operation in international waters against the convoy sailing to Gaza,” but more generally condemns "those acts which resulted in the loss” of lives – leaving matters of blame vague.

    The US also pushed for language conveying that it’s acceptable for the Israelis to conduct their own investigation into the matter as long as the investigation is “prompt, impartial, credible and transparent.” Other countries were pushing for an independent investigation, perhaps by the UN itself.

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    That'll go over well with Turkey and NATO. Say goodbye to Turkey as a US ally for the next while.
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    Uh oh.. Turkey is trying to quit NATO! The shit has hit the fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita View Post
    I don't understand...do you mean people there are not following this or not caring about this particular issue???
    I was being a smartass because people are claiming (in this thread) that people in the US are apathetic and don't care. Houston has a massive international community and there are protesters speaking out right now about this recent nastiness. Houston is also home to a Pacifica Foundation station KPFT...we're just a bunch of rednecks that only care about oil and have been brainwashed to not care about Israel's outrageous and what I consider illegal acts.

    This is going to become such a shit storm. OMFG, the US is so fucking retarded.
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    Huh. They're blocking journalists from talking to anyone who might dispute their version of events. This is too much this time.


    The New York Times, today:

    A day after Israeli commandoes raided an aid flotilla seeking to breach the blockade of Gaza, Israel held hundreds of activists seized aboard the convoy on Tuesday . . . .Reuters reported that Israel was holding hundreds of activists incommunicado in and around the port city of Ashdod, refusing to permit journalists access to witnesses who might contradict Israel's version of events.

    Physically blocking journalists from reporting on their conduct is what Israel does (as well as others); recall this from The New York Times on January 6, 2009, regarding Israel's war in Gaza:

    Israel Puts Media Clamp on Gaza

    Three times in recent days, a small group of foreign correspondents was told to appear at the border crossing to Gaza. The reporters were to be permitted in to cover firsthand the Israeli war on Hamas in keeping with a Supreme Court ruling against the two-month-old Israeli ban on foreign journalists entering Gaza.

    Each time, they were turned back on security grounds, even as relief workers and other foreign citizens were permitted to cross the border. On Tuesday the reporters were told to not even bother going to the border.

    And so for an 11th day of Israel’s war in Gaza, the several hundred journalists here to cover it waited in clusters away from direct contact with any fighting or Palestinian suffering, but with full access to Israeli political and military commentators eager to show them around southern Israel, where Hamas rockets have been terrorizing civilians. A slew of private groups financed mostly by Americans are helping guide the press around Israel.

    Like all wars, this one is partly about public relations. But unlike any war in Israel’s history, in this one the government is seeking to entirely control the message and narrative for reasons both of politics and military strategy.

    Isn't it strange how Plucky, Democratic Israel goes to such extreme lengths to prevent any media coverage of what they do, any journalistic interference with their propaganda machine, in light of the fact that -- as always -- They Did Absolutely Nothing Wrong? Is physically blocking the media from covering what happens the act of a government that is in the right? Thomas Jefferson answered that question quite some time ago:

    Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues of truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is freedom of the press. It is therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions.

    Israel is now not only detaining the victims of its aggression, but also threatening to prosecute and imprison them. Israeli Internal Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch said yesterday: "All those who lifted a hand against a soldier will be punished to the full extent of the law." So when Israel seizes ships in international waters and kills anyone who resists (and others standing near them), that is an act of noble, plucky self-defense. But those who fail to submit completely to this lawless and barbarous act of aggression are the Real Criminals who will be prosecuted and imprisoned "to the fullest extent of the law." In other words, not only is Israel -- which seized ships in international waters and killed civilians -- the Real Victim, but the Real Criminals are those on the ship. But doesn't the victim of a crime usually want media coverage of what the criminal did? How odd for the victim in this case to take such extreme steps to ensure that the world cannot hear from the witnesses.

    * * * * *

    Two other related points: (1) as I noted yesterday, the real question for Americans is our own country's responsibility for what Israel does; as virtually the entire world vehemently condemns Israel's conduct, the U.S. -- as usual -- acts to protect the Israelis at the U.N. and joins it in heaping blame on its victims; and (2) Robert Farley highlights a small though typical piece of false Israeli propaganda, this one from supreme propagandist Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, which pervades our discourse in unchallenged form.What does Israel fear from media coverage? - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

    Oh, and they're saying that they will use more force on the next one to come in. Lovely. Welcome to WWIII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    Huh. They're blocking journalists from talking to anyone who might dispute their version of events. This is too much this time.
    That's not going to work, though. There were at least two journalists on the boat. I forget which organization they are with. They are currently being held incommunicado, but eventually they will have to be released, and we'll find out exactly what went down.

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    *shrug*

    I'll say it again: Israel will have to get through the Turkish navy next time and the Turks aren't likely to back off. It's about time all this shit came to a head. Israel needs its ass kicked, and the US needs to figure out which is more important: the constant, strategically useless leech of Israel or the strategically valuable Turkish airspace
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    The Turkish PM asked the Israeli citizens to question their government's policies in this area. Here was their response:

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    Naturally.
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    Greg Sargent of The Washington Post wrote:
    Source: Hillary asking foreign leaders to `dial down' criticism of Israel

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been privately asking foreign leaders to "dial down" criticism of Israel until all the facts of the flotilla attack are known, according to a source who personally discussed the matter with her.

    "She says she's been working the phones for last 24 hours trying to get people to cool off a little bit, to see what the facts are," the source tells me, adding that she said she was trying to "dial down some of the rhetoric of the inernational community."

    "It's difficult," the source adds. "She says people are furious."

    Such calls are not unexpected, but they provide a glimpse into how awkward a position the U.S. knows it's in now that global criticism of Israel's attack is mounting, since it's coming at a moment when the Obama administration was hoping to do a "kiss and make up" session with Netanyahu.

    Also: The calls are a sign that the administration may be directly helping Israel by trying to lend a hand damping down the global outcry.


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    'Next time we'll use more force'

    By YAAKOV KATZ, AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF
    01/06/2010

    Navy prepares for expected arrival of 2 more activist ships.

    Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

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    WTF? "More Force"? What are they going to do next time? Just blow up the entire fucking boat and everyone on board it without even bothering to hail them?

    JFC, this is going to get so much worse in the coming weeks.
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    Yeah because Israel sure as hell does not plan to 'dial down'.

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    Wow guys check this shit out.. Israel is lying through it's teeth

    IDF Information Blockade Fails: Growing Number of Flotilla Survivors Debunk IDF’s Massacre Story | The Seminal

    it's a lot to copy and post, but take a look.. video evidence and all
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    thanks for that Grimm. I gave up on FDL a long time ago but Jane and the gang have always stood up for the Palestinians, I'll give them that.

    Check this shiz out, gotta love the Irish:

    Irish aid vessel still sailing for Gaza, ‘most serious consequences’ promised if passengers harmed

    Irish humanitarian aid ship the MV Rachel Corrie is still sailing for Gaza, in spite of Israel's recent, devastating attack on other vessels in the Gaza aid flotilla, resulting in at least nine dead activists and hundreds of prisoners.

    The ship, named after 23-year-old U.S. peace activist Rachel Corrie -- who was crushed to death in 2003 by an American-built bulldozer operated by the Israeli army -- has been pleading with the international community to pressure Israel into leaving them alone.

    The Irish government, for its part, has threatened Israel with "the most serious consequences" if any Irish national, captured or currently aborad an aid vessel, is harmed.

    "If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences," Taoiseach Brian Cowen said, according to The Irish Times.

    "Taoiseach" is the position bestowed upon the individual who leads Ireland's government.

    The MV Rachel Corrie is reportedly due to arrive in Gaza tomorrow, according to the Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Irish officials have demanded Israel let the boat pass unimpeded. Ireland has long opposed Israel's military blockade of Palestine.

    "The government has formally requested the Israeli government to allow the Irish-owned ship to be allowed to complete its journey unimpeded and discharge its humanitarian cargo in Gaza," Cowen said.

    "The Rachel Corrie is carrying medical equipment, wheelchairs, school supplies and cement, a material Israel has banned in Hamas-ruled Gaza, organizers said," the Seattle Post-Globe reported.

    Five Irish activists and five Malaysian activists were said to be aboard.

    "In the names of our friends, we are more determined than ever to continue into Gaza with our humanitarian cargo and our support for the blockaded and suffering people of Gaza," read a message sent on behalf of the activists, published by Global Research. "We expect Israel to respond to the international condemnation of its violence by not impeding by any means the safe passage of the Rachel Corrie. We appeal to the international community and United Nations to continue to demand Israel our safe passage into Gaza."

    Activist group Jewish Voice for Peace declared in an e-mail to supporters, "We still don't know the names of those who were killed or injured, or where they are from. And we don't know the whereabouts or well-being of more than 400 activists still being held by Israel." The group demanded Israel release the activists without condition or charge.

    The activists' call echoed another from NATO, which demanded the prisoners' freedom and pressed the need for a "prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation" into the events.

    In response to the activist killings, Egypt announced it would open a portion of border crossing into Palestine to allow in future shipments of humanitarian supplies. Turkey, reportedly the country of origin for some of the May 31st raid's victims, pledged it would send a military escort with future Gaza aid boats.

    Israel claims the killings were the result of a "provocation" by activists who attacked the soldiers as they landed. However, journalists who were on board the vessel during the raid reported civilian casualties first, before they confirmed soldiers had landed, indicating that Israeli forces began their bombardment before boarding the ship.

    By Tuesday, the United States had not condemned Israel for taking action against a ship in international waters, instead calling for an investigation to learn the facts of what happened. Instead, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stuck to the language of a UN Security Council statement issued late Sunday on the Israeli assault on a convoy headed to Gaza.

    The statement condemns "those acts which resulted in the loss of at least ten civilians and many wounded," but did not specifically say whether the Israeli raid or actions of pro-Palestinians supporters caused the violence.

    "Let me simply restate what the international community and the United States supported early this morning at the UN Security Council through a presidential statement," Gibbs said.

    "The Security Council statement that I read calls for an investigation that is prompt, impartial, credible and transparent, conforming to international standards, of exactly what happened," Gibbs said. "And we're obviously supportive of that."

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