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    If it's really happening, then you (we) are not paranoid.

    Am going to get my Ass Kicked for this, I always do, but men cannot tell women what their reality is.

    No more than we can tell you dudes what your reality is.

    My first husband felt that the slaves in the South were happy because they "sang alot". Not sure how this relates, but it popped into my little pointed head........

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    Now, see, they WILL cover the tequila.....but NOT the worm.......




    And cramps and acne are more life threatening than circulation problems?!?!?! Women.......

    Well it shouldn't be about which problem is more important than the other, because that is entirely subjective.

    But if it's a valid medical issue that can be managed through medication, it should be available under insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohmygoodness View Post
    The world would be one big whining baby if men had menstrual cramps. For me, it feels like somebody is sticking a knife straight into my uterus, and twisting it every time I move. My girlfriends and I try to explain this to our guyfriends when they roll their eyes when we complain of cramps, but they don't get it. I know though that if they felt the same thing, we'd never hear the end of it!
    Word.

    My own cramps are at manageable pain levels, but I have a couple of friends who routinely get incapacitated around this time month. One friend in particular has been rushed to the hospital a few times because the pain is so great she's literally lain down on the street, completely oblivious to her surroundings.

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    Don't worry, when they start drafting women, the military can teach ya'll how to SUCK IT UP!!!!!!

    Like men don't have pain......I guess women's pain is so much worse than men's pain.......

    Egads......ya'll are giving me cramps......

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    I never said cramps and acne were more life threatening. It's just that whatever issues seem to impact women exclusively don't seem to be given the same attention as mens' issues. I'm certain that if men were losing their penises to cancer like women are losing their breasts there would be a cure by now.

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    I never really knew how horrible menstrual cramps could be until I switched BC pills (incidentally NOT covered by insurance ). I always thought, hmmm, why are women always complaining about cramps? Well, the new dose of BC wreaked havoc on my system and gave me cramps from hell. The word cramps does not seem sufficient to describe the pain. I had to lay on the floor on my belly for hours, and if I tried to get up, I was doubling over. Forget standing up straight. When the 2 days of knife-stabbing pain was over, my whole abdomen was sore from the ordeal for a week. Cramps? More like invisible-metal-clamp-internal-torture devices.

    Sorry, OT. I just wanted to share that I now understand the whole cramp issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crumpet View Post
    I never said cramps and acne were more life threatening. It's just that whatever issues seem to impact women exclusively don't seem to be given the same attention as mens' issues. I'm certain that if men were losing their penises to cancer like women are losing their breasts there would be a cure by now.
    Tell me that you have heard of prostate cancer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    Don't worry, when they start drafting women, the military can teach ya'll how to SUCK IT UP!!!!!!

    Like men don't have pain......I guess women's pain is so much worse than men's pain.......

    Egads......ya'll are giving me cramps......
    There is no pain that men have, related to their reproductive system, or any system for that matter, that happens regularly, every single month for a week (or more, depending on the person) for 30-40 years of their lives. None. And it isn't a matter of sucking it up- some women get them so badly that they pass out from the pain. Have you ever heard of endometriosis? If not, look it up. It's excruciating and awful and one of the best ways to control it is birth control. My best friend has it and has to fight with her insurance company for her pills. The last time she had a period without them, she passed out from the explosive diarrhea and concussed herself on the bathtub.

    I don't know if you're just being facetious, or you really think that it's just no big deal, but if you really are serious, on what do you base your opinion? You can't possibly be so sure of yourself about something that you have never, ever experienced.

    Seriously, if men bled from their penises medical science would have found a way to stop it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banshee View Post
    There is no pain that men have, related to their reproductive system, or any system for that matter, that happens regularly, every single month for a week (or more, depending on the person) for 30-40 years of their lives. None. And it isn't a matter of sucking it up- some women get them so badly that they pass out from the pain. Have you ever heard of endometriosis? If not, look it up. It's excruciating and awful and one of the best ways to control it is birth control. My best friend has it and has to fight with her insurance company for her pills. The last time she had a period without them, she passed out from the explosive diarrhea and concussed herself on the bathtub.

    I don't know if you're just being facetious, or you really think that it's just no big deal, but if you really are serious, on what do you base your opinion? You can't possibly be so sure of yourself about something that you have never, ever experienced.

    Seriously, if men bled from their penises medical science would have found a way to stop it by now.
    Blame nature. Women are only having a natural function. Why do women in other cultures not have PMS symptoms then?

    Endometriosis is a disease. Menstruation is not a disease.

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    By that logic, blame nature for not getting a hard on in old age and just deal with it. It's natural to not get it up when you get older.

    I never said it was a disease- erectile disfunction isn't a "disease" either, it's a disorder, as are excessively painful or prolonged periods.

    Women in other cultures do have PMS, irregular cycles, anemia from excessive bleeding and painful cramps. What on earth makes you think they don't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banshee View Post
    By that logic, blame nature for not getting a hard on in old age and just deal with it. It's natural to not get it up when you get older.

    I never said it was a disease- erectile disfunction isn't a "disease" either, it's a disorder, as are excessively painful or prolonged periods.

    Women in other cultures do have PMS, irregular cycles, anemia from excessive bleeding and painful cramps. What on earth makes you think they don't?
    Studies say that Asian women and women from the Pacific Rim do not. They aren't sure why and think that it might be diet, but studies have not shown why, just that they do not experience PMS.

    Again, erectile dysfuntion is a disease when it is related to bad circulation. It is a symptom of heart disease.

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    I can't find a single study to support that assertation, but say you're right and it is a diet thing. The fact remains that the insurance companies are insuring Americans on an American diet. If they are willing to insure other people's medications that come from diet issues, such as obesity related diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease, why not birth control to regulate PMS?

    And erectile dysfunction can have different causes ranging from diabetes and drugs and hormone disorders, to neurological and psychological issues. Oh, and just plain OLD AGE. If a man has the right to a woody at 90 then I have the right to not have a 2 week long period.

    Hang on, I found this:
    http://www.nutritional-solutions.com.../menopause.htm

    The article defines PMS as:
    cramping
    breast tenderness
    water retention
    mood swings and headaches

    That doesn't answer to the regulatory aspects of birth control, only to the cited PMS symptoms. Quite a few women take the pill to regulate their cycle, as I pointed out a few posts back.

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    I don't know about the rest of you, but I get really tired of the 'whose got it worse' discussion. Being a woman sucks, being a man sucks - we've all got problems...

    The assumption that a man can't possibly understand PMS pain is rediculous. Pain is pain. If a man had ever had pain he can understand it. And if man is upset about his perpetually flacid penis and wants some treatment, more power to him. Afterall, they are marketing birth control now to clear up acne as well as skip periods - all for the sake of convenience and vanity. Perhaps it's this new wave of marketing that is strengthening insurance companies arguments against covering birth control.

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    I'm sorry, I'm not trying to say who's got it worse, I'm trying to point out medical reasons why the pill should be covered by insurance, besides the common sense reason that it's cheaper for an insurance company to cover birth control than it is to cover the medical costs of a baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I get really tired of the 'whose got it worse' discussion. Being a woman sucks, being a man sucks - we've all got problems...

    The assumption that a man can't possibly understand PMS pain is rediculous. Pain is pain. If a man had ever had pain he can understand it. And if man is upset about his perpetually flacid penis and wants some treatment, more power to him. Afterall, they are marketing birth control now to clear up acne as well as skip periods - all for the sake of convenience and vanity. Perhaps it's this new wave of marketing that is strengthening insurance companies arguments against covering birth control.
    Will you marry me? I'll take you for better or worse or during your worst PMS.....and you can promise to love, honor and use popsicle sticks on the evenings that I cannot "rise to the occasion"........

    Meanwhile, I'll just drag my flaccid penis behind me, don't anyone trip on it......

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