Real agenda: Canadian conservative makes anti-gay remarks. Shock.

Grimmlok · January 14th, 2006, 08:19 AM

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TheSTAR

The Conservative candidate skipped the debate, but Rondo Thomas's anti-same-sex marriage comments he made on a controversial video resonated throughout Pickering Recreation Centre last night at a televised all-candidates meeting.

Thomas, the pastor at the Toronto Christian Centre and the vice-president of Canada Christian College, also missed a debate Tuesday as his video from a February church service made national headlines while the Liberals continue to search for a wedge issue to stop the surging Conservatives.

"Nobody's hiding anything, he's eager to talk about it," said campaign manager Mike Young, who said Thomas was attending a funeral in eastern Ontario.

Young said Thomas would address the issue tomorrow.

Liberal Mark Holland, the incumbent, posted Thomas's video on his re-election campaign's website in an attempt to use past allegations of intolerance by the Tories to his advantage.

On the video, Thomas says: "There is going to be a clash of morality views between those who believe in righteousness and those who believe in immorality and when we collide there is going to be conflict."

He adds: "It doesn't matter what the media says, it doesn't matter what the government says — the facts don't count. We are going to win this conflict."

A member of the audience asked the four candidates in attendance to react to Thomas's views, although the moderator rephrased the question to ask for their position on same-sex marriage because Thomas wasn't there to defend himself.

Holland said the Liberals would make sure churches and mosques would be protected from performing services they opposed, but added minority rights had to be protected.

"Declaring war on people doesn't make sense," Holland said.

The NDP's Kevin Modeste said the matter was done because "Parliament has spoken" while Kevin Norng of the Christian Heritage Party said he was against gay marriage because he wants to "protect children" from a lifestyle that erodes family values.

Green party candidate Russell Korus supported same-sex marriage as a matter of human rights.

The planned Pickering airport, slated for construction as early as 2012, is another big issue. The four in attendance last night opposed its construction.

Facts don't count, government doesn't count, charter of rights doesn't count... well sieg heil to you too, Hitler.

How can anybody vote for these assholes?

Dracko · January 14th, 2006, 10:48 AM

I'm not seeing what was so bad? Maybe I need to reread it????

But, are you telling me that you agree with EVERYTHING the party you are going to vote for believes in? EVERYTHING they say and stand for. EVERYTHING EVERYONE in the whole party says and does.

It amazes me that the anti-conservative plague is so easily spread (esp in the east). I'm not saying I am voting Conservative, but come on people, look at EVERYTHING a party stands for.

And, btw, I have a gay nephew that I raised, so I am not anti-gay. Interesting, though, that he is voting CONSERVATIVE at this next election. Guess he can see the WHOLE picture and not just the "hype" being spread.

pacific breeze · January 14th, 2006, 11:33 AM

Not ALL Conservatives are as socially conservtive as Harper and his inner circle. Remember, this is just the Reform party under a different name, and there are a lot of rednecks and racists in that woodpile.

Harper is on record as supporting George Bush's social and military agenda. Are you so naive as to believe that if he is elected, he will simply do a 360 degree turn and implement NONE of the policies -- the very few he has bother to articulate that is -- he says he favours?

Make no mistake. Harper is AGAINST nearly all the things that make Canada a socially progressive country. If that is the kind of country you want to live in, so be it. Others see through his "nice guy" charade.

Dracko · January 14th, 2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pacific breeze

Not ALL Conservatives are as socially conservtive as Harper and his inner circle. Remember, this is just the Reform party under a different name, and there are a lot of rednecks and racists in that woodpile.

Harper is on record as supporting George Bush's social and military agenda. Are you so naive as to believe that if he is elected, he will simply do a 360 degree turn and implement NONE of the policies -- the very few he has bother to articulate that is -- he says he favours?

Make no mistake. Harper is AGAINST nearly all the things that make Canada a socially progressive country. If that is the kind of country you want to live in, so be it. Others see through his "nice guy" charade.

And you solution would be to what: vote NDP and allow the Liberals in or vote Liberal and allow the same crap to continue????

**Mr. Authority** · January 14th, 2006, 05:42 PM

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Harper is on record as supporting George Bush's social and military agenda. Are you so naive as to believe that if he is elected, he will simply do a 360 degree turn and implement NONE of the policies -- the very few he has bother to articulate that is -- he says he favours?

I'll be honest in saying I don't follow Canadian governments that much, but if Harper is known to be a Bush-supporter, then why is there talks of the conservatives up there leading? I mean it seems weird that there are Canandian willing to vote for a man that their know supports someone as corrupt as Bush.

ohmygoodness · January 14th, 2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dracko

And you solution would be to what: vote NDP and allow the Liberals in or vote Liberal and allow the same crap to continue????

I don't see social progression as crap, thankyouverymuch.

Grimmlok · January 14th, 2006, 07:46 PM

Yeah, lets se.. economy is in the best shape its been for like.. oh 30 years.. the debt is damn near gone, deficit is way down, more cops on the streets, more jobs...

The only thing the libs need to work on is the environment and health care, and like that douchebag Harper would make those his prority.

And come ON... you don't think that Conservative governments aren't ridiculously corrupt? Mulroney was hideously corrupt, so was Harris. The thing is, they'd lie through their teeth to hide is, while the Libs called the RCMP to do an investigation.

That's the fucking difference. Conservatives are big business, capitalist cronyism, and religious fundamentalism and every time they get in power they fuck EVERYTHING up and it takes a decade to dig out from under it.

Go read a history book.

Dracko · January 14th, 2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Yeah, lets se.. economy is in the best shape its been for like.. oh 30 years.. the debt is damn near gone, deficit is way down, more cops on the streets, more jobs...

The only thing the libs need to work on is the environment and health care, and like that douchebag Harper would make those his prority.

And come ON... you don't think that Conservative governments aren't ridiculously corrupt? Mulroney was hideously corrupt, so was Harris. The thing is, they'd lie through their teeth to hide is, while the Libs called the RCMP to do an investigation.

That's the fucking difference. Conservatives are big business, capitalist cronyism, and religious fundamentalism and every time they get in power they fuck EVERYTHING up and it takes a decade to dig out from under it.

Go read a history book.

Thanks, Grimmlok...woudn't expect anything else from an easterner. So typical. I'd like to invite you to go read a few history books as well...with your EYES open this time. And, btw, I never said I WAS VOTING CONSERVATIVE...just asked why you would think keeping the Liberals in would be a good idea.

darksithbunny · January 14th, 2006, 07:55 PM

I love it when they all slip up and speak what they REALLY feel. Makes me laugh at the media circus it creates when they are back peddling.

Grimmlok · January 14th, 2006, 08:24 PM

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Thanks, Grimmlok...woudn't expect anything else from an easterner. So typical. I'd like to invite you to go read a few history books as well...with your EYES open this time. And, btw, I never said I WAS VOTING CONSERVATIVE...just asked why you would think keeping the Liberals in would be a good idea.

You know, you're the only one who ever, EVER brings up this retarded "east vs. west" bullshit. It's not a matter of geographic location, it's a matter of PLATFORM and its a matter of PAST PRECEDENT. You'll notice none of 'easterners' give a fuck whether you're from east, west, north, or buttfuck Newfoundland. You're the one with the hangup. What's even more hilarious is that you're not even FROM the west.. you're right smack in the middle of the country.

Also, the 'Conservative' party is nothing of the sort. It's made up of radial right wingers from the Reform and Alliance and Harper has a hell of a time keeping the leash on them because they tend to make right-wing religious hate spew, did you even read the article above? That's LIGHT compared to what they usually let slip.

Also:

Mike Harris: Ran Ontario into the ground to the point there were riots at the legislature.

Mulroney: Well thank him for the GST, and thank him for putting Canada so far into debt it took till the mid 90's to climb out of it.

You can't dispute that. Not even if you're from 'out west'

Dracko · January 14th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Two words: Gun Registry!

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**Tati** · January 14th, 2006, 08:57 PM

I'll be voting NDP and hoping that whoever forms a minority government, the NDP secures enough seats to keep the ruling party on a tight leash. I'm hoping Layton will continue to force the PMs hand on environmental and education issues. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the NDP in power, but I don't imagine that will be happening on a federal level anytime soon. I'm tired of voting stretegically though - this year, I won't be voting Liberal just to keep the Conservatives out.

Dracko · January 14th, 2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tati

I'll be voting NDP and hoping that whoever forms a minority government, the NDP secures enough seats to keep the ruling party on a tight leash. I'm hoping Layton will continue to force the PMs hand on environmental and education issues. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the NDP in power, but I don't imagine that will be happening on a federal level anytime soon. I'm tired of voting stretegically though - this year, I won't be voting Liberal just to keep the Conservatives out.

Good for you for voting the way you want even though it might not be the most popular way! I do think now is the time to vote FOR the party you want in rather than for one to assure another doesn't get in.

Grimmlok · January 14th, 2006, 10:37 PM

Depends on how much damage that 'other party' can do, and one look south of the border is enough to warrant considering that option.

western · January 14th, 2006, 11:55 PM

What bothers me is having to vote for a party instead of the politician you think would do the most good. The politician that represented my area belongs to a party I detest - should I vote for him because he has an excellent track record of living up to his local promises, or vote for his opponent because I hate his party? I hate how the election system is set up!!!